Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

ah, so essentially a different phone with different cpu, different board logic, different camera module, different power management logic, different emmc, different screen, etc....

essentially a fresh start as far as getting a fully functional sailfish image.

the original n5 sits at the top of the sailfish compatibility chart for a reason; because enthusiasts have put effort into supporting its [particular] hardware configuration.

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I have Ubuntu Touch running on a Nexus 5, and it works pretty well. What would be the advantage to moving to SailfishOS? Has anyone tried both?

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i tried Ubuntu but not for long, to me touch felt clunky, but thats.because i went for the latest devel.

sailfish is good enough to be my daily driver, depends what you need really

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Tried both (and also FFOS).

Clearly the best is SailfiSh OS. More complete, more apps, more everything.
Next is FFOS.
Then Ubuntu Touch.

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I had Ubuntu Touch a long time ago on Nexus7, and did not like it very much. I was expecting a more Ubuntu-PC like experience and it sure left me wanting. After that I installed SFOS on it and it is a lot more like what I want.

Granted, this was long ago and a different device, but still...

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

Did anyone try Plasma Mobile on Nexus 5? I saw the video, but interface looked not as streamlined as Sailfish one.

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i saw it, looked like another android clone

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That is true. The interface is far from ready. Its just there to demonstrate that it is possible to run something plasmaish on the phone.
I did test it a few weeks ago and started porting some of my apps to it. (Video Player and noto).
Disclaimer: There might be a newer version out there with some more fixes.

The works of the Visual Design Group just began regarding how to actually design the User Interface.
Also Performance wise its sluggish. I don't think there is any acceleration going on though I was able to playback some videos without frames skipped.

Overall its in pre-alpha and behaves like expected for a pre-alpha.

Browser is the Ubuntu Touch Browser based on oxide (Chromiums Blink) which supports html5 audio+video. Camera is working. Though I had to use an extra app (there where two apps one looked like the ubuntu touch one and did not work. The other one was a basic kf5 based one which worked). Phone functionality should work but I did not test it. Volume Buttons do work though the overlay volume indicator is scaled to 300% and you can't really see which volume you adjusted (everything over 60% is off the screen)
Most annoying for the moment is that the display can't be turned off. If you hit the power button it just overlays a black image on the screen. But the screen itself is still running. This eats up battery pretty fast.
Turning it off you need to use adb in and use the poweroff command. Or use the included terminal and type in poweroff.
The virtualkeyboard works quite nice and has a little virtual trackpoint to move around the cursor which is quite handy in textboxes and so on.
Sound works. Wireless works though I had to use wifi-setup from the commandline as the widget in the "tray" / statusbar did not set the dns as it seems.
Notifications are all dummys at the moments. So you can remove them but won't get any new ones. Adding some simply widgets onto the desktop works like on Plasma 5 for the desktop.

It would be unfair to compare Plasma 5 currently with its competitors as it is too early in development

If someone is interested in porting stuff:
There is currently no HIG (Human Interface Guideline).
You can use the PlasmaComponents that you can also use for the desktop and they get automatically scaled which works quite fine as I can develop qml apps on the desktop and run the same app on the phone and everything is properly scaled so it is touchfriendly.
If you want to port something start with something easy or something that has a unique user interface anyways (like a game emulator).
Most of the developers should wait until the HIG is out or some other example app that demonstrate how default apps should look like.

edit:
I almost forgot to mention it. You can use adb shell or the included terminal and use normal apt-get and dpkg packagemanagers to install software. As software sources you can also include armhf repos and install software from it.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

Thanks, I look forward for it to mature. We need a solid open option. While Sailfish was supposed to be open sourced according to some recent news, we don't know when and how it will happen.

By the way, do you know why Plasma Mobile isn't based on Mer anymore and instead is using Kubuntu as a base? Or it's just the prototype example? In the past Plasma Active was based on Mer.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

In general Plasma Mobile aims to run on different GNU/Linux distro bases.
I know that it is running on Arch also already though no image is available.
I guess Ubuntu as base was choosen as it seems easier for the developers. Also the automatic packaging infrastructure for arm builds is already there. And finally that prototype on which the current Image is based on was primary developed by people employed by Blue Systems which is also sponsoring Kubuntu amongst other Free Software and Open Source projects.
Also keep in mind way much software is available in armhf repos for Debian and Ubuntu which might be also a big reason why this will remain the main development base for most devs.

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I have nothing against Debian based distros (I use Debian testing + KDE on the desktop). In some aspects it's even better than Mer, because Mer is still stuck with some antiquated packages because of that GPLv3 avoidance.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

I don't think there are big advantages, other than your personal preferences. I recently tested both systems on my Nexus 4 and they both work very well at this point (no GPS yet on N4 with SFOS, but N5 should be fine according to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris).

In my opinion there are more apps and customization options (3rd party) available for Sailfish OS (no Android support of course), the system offers more choices (accounts, settings) and generally feels more mature. There can be some UI scaling "unbeauties" on SFOS due to the high display resolution, but upcoming v2.0 should fix all that.

OTA system upgrades are not supported yet on Sailfish OS and might break stuff (like certain camera features), so a reinstall is recommended and can be annoying. Otherwise Sailfish OS is best supported on the Nexus 5 and was also used to show upgrade 2.0 at the MWC.

Sailfish OS runs very fast on my Nexus 4, while Ubuntu phone had some lags here and there (probably not the case on Nexus 5).

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

We are beta testing OTA methodology, see bug 852 , stay tuned!

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

We need your help guys

Can you post following information

1. Are you using Multirom? If so, what's your underlying primary rom (cm12 or cm11 or ..) and what kind of cm11 snapshot (M9 etc) are you using for flashing with which version of sailfishos

2. Do you encounter the above bug? Open fingerterm, type 'top' and watch out for sensor* processes. Rotate your N5 and back, lock and unlock the screen and check again.

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Yes. But didn't know it works with CM12, last try I did (2 weeks ago), SFOS never starts with CM12. But didn't even know we can install SFOS without Android. How? Is there any tutorial somewhere?

1. Yes. CM11. Took a build from XDA.

2. Yes, sensors.qcom takes around 14% of the CPU and sensorfwd 12%.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

SFOS does not work if you flash it with CM12 (not yet) but you can use CM12 etc as a primary rom using Multirom and SFOS (with CM11 as a basis) as a secondary. Follow the instructions at the beginning of the installation instructions, see my initial post, for SFOS usage without Multirom.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

Thanks. I remember I tried it and no luck, SFOS never started, so I switched to the MultiROM procedure and it works. Sorry, I just forgot.

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@BluesLee

can confirm

primary ROM: Stock Android 5.1.1
Multirom Version: v32c
CM11 Snapshot: M9
SFOS: alpha 12

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It is apparently because people from KDAB, that have more experience with Ubuntu Touch than with Mer, are helping with the effort.

This is in itself kinda funny, as even though they are basing they work on top of Ubuntu Touch, they are still kinda turning it back to Mer in places, like for example by using Wayland rather than Mir, which is used by the "normal" Ubuntu Touch images.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

I will ommit this release and wait for 1.1.9.x with SFOS 2.0 UI but those who are interested can check it out (taken from XDA thread)

Changelog: Alpha13 - 10 September 2015

• Play classic Android OpenGL games from APK files (no apps only games)!

• Android's virtual SD Card is now mounted on bootup, so all photos, videos, music are now visible in Sailfish OS apps!

• MTP transfer mode works (not thoroughly tested), just choose "PC Connection" in Setting->System->USB

• Sailfish OS 1.1.7.28

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

It works pretty well. OTA also works, but as the 1.1.9 GUI doesn't start on the N5, do not upgrade!

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ota works? seriously ?thats good

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Didn't I tell you yesterday on IRC ?? :-p

Yes it works, but that's a bit tricky procedure within the terminal. But for the moment, Lipstick (the GUI) doesn't start, so, do not upgrade.

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ah yes but i means that simple ota works, you fool me saying half truth ahahahaa,just joking..hope it will work in an easy way

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its fairly simple in terminal if I remember rightly, I normal stick it on devel and then its a zypper ref and zypper dup

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sorry but i am real noob in this things. until now i have lived (tecnollogically speaking) eating fast food os (just to eat)

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It's a bit more complicated, but yes, that's the big picture. Thanks to alin on IRC, I've a working GUI, but almost no sensor, only the proximity and ambient light seem to work as expected. No GPS, no accelerometer, no rotation, etc.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

think i buy tomorow a nexus 5 too, hope someone will port SFOS2.0 to Nexus :)

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Jolla did ages ago. How much of their work we will ever get the benefit of is unknown

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But they have published nothing or am I wrong?

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i ask to them sometimes ago. i hope it too. if not it would be very bad and behaviour. on that other hand sledges is an employee of jolla and is leading ports. not releasing that rom would be against this direction, so they would be really broken minded. ..to conclude i think and hope they will release it

you can find on youtube video of sfos 2.0 on n5. but 2.0 in general wasnt polished, and actually is unrelease even for jolla phone (we are 1.19 now) so it is natural not having released it for n5 yet

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

I have a good faith 1.1.9x will be usable in a near future. The system itself works perfectly, the only issues come from the interactions with the hardware and in particular with the sensors. This has been already done with the Alpha 13 which is usable on a daily basis, so having a usable 1.1.9.x on the N5 is just a matter of weeks I think.

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cool nice to hear :)

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It's done. Sensors now work. So N5 with 1.1.9.28 works.

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thanks romu,ill wait for release!

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Trying to install SF2.0 but when the installation starts it says, Error: nothing provides jolla-sailfish-cellular-apps needed by pattern:jolla-hw-adaptation-hammerhead-0.0.19-10.24.1.jolla.noarch. Repos missing that file or what is the problem?

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From where did get the image? CM11 is installed? MultiRom?

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Yes, multirom and cm11 installed with sf image. I used this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Ada...for_hammerhead

I did succeded with the install once but uninstalled secondary rom for updating the lollipop and then tried to install 2.0 back.

Re: SailfishOS on Nexus 5
 

I may be wrong (check on IRC would be better), but I don't think SFOS runs with Android 5.x.