Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

That's a really good idea. I think I'll do the same.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

certainly there aren't too many good news this days and yes, it's said to be a temporarly layoff. That might be the end of jolla as we've known it so far, but that might not necessarily the end of sfos.

having a sailors name, i've to say that an overturn is no fatal wreckage. I had to swim back to catch my jolly-boat more than once and I allways made it and kept on sailing stronger than before!

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You may be right. I lived through three waves of redundancies at a certain company in a span of two years and was caught in the fourth. The future did not look good and I predicted another wave in the next 6 months. I was wrong. There have been some restructurings and one or two individuals made redundant but no more big waves. The company is doing as strong as ever. Jolla may recover in a similar way. That is my secret (well, not any more :)) hope.

There is a difference though. In case of my ex employer, there was no big exodus of C?Os. That is the bit that worries me.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2015/...n/201515350/66

Jolla will have debt restructuring. (more info soon on that Finnish link..)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

anyways its no good to keep mourning and whining. If they make it - great! If they don't - live goes on.

I still hope for the first one, and if not I'm happy that I was a sailor and will be pleased everytime I use my jolla!

So I see the sign on the wall, but that doesn't change my attitude.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Here in English, the official Press release: https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads...5_FINAL_61.pdf

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

To sadly continue with reporting on familiar faces leaving Jolla (even if not sure if temporary/permanently or voluntarity/involuntarily), the next in the row is Iekku Pylkkä as she announced her departure in a tweet less than half than hour ago.


Also, Carol Chen (cybette) posted this tweet at around the same time:

so it looks like she may have been the next.

Let's hope it's not permanent (there is some hope in Iekku's tweet), but let's thank them both for their work and wish them luck for their next projects/career/life nevertheless!

PS: Given how Iekku was moderating Thursday's Mer meeting and then scheduling the next one for this week, it looks like her departure came quite unexpected.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

And there's sadly one additional person I missed.

On Friday, the Senior Designer at Jolla, Jaakko Roppola decided to leave Jolla. He is one of the fathers of the unique and beautiful SailfishOS UI, so his departure is very unfortunate (IMHO one of the best talents Jolla had). He even helped with some designs for 3rd party apps when developers approached him and he was always open to discussion about the UI.

Here are his tweets explaining the situation:




Again, thank you, Jaakko and let's hope your extraordinary designs will be seen in other projects in the future.


EDIT: The feeling when you try to contribute to the discussion with some valuable information so you write a post in an informative (sourced) and respectful manner, but then someone like Dave999 comes in...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Has anyone arrested Marc Dillon & Co yet? They could at least buy us a beer after this semiScam.

Is it ok for a company to use crowdfunding money to what ever. Can I say I will create a cheap android with top notch specs for $50 or whatever and then use the money for rent and personal tech?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Sorry, but I'm afraid you are taking this too far now...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You think a beer is too much? What about a Coke?

I'm planning my own scam.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Shut up and take my money!

Maybe Marc dillon will back you and you can have the last laugh

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Hey, Dave, ever tried to design anything? If you yourself go to that Chinese factory and ask them to build you a new tablet with unique design features and a novel OS, and offer them $200, they'll laugh in your face.

Jolla has certainly already spent more on the tablet than the Indiegogo campaign brought in.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Quite a lousy business model and Jolla takes a hard fall for sthis stupidity.

(and don't blame others for their failure and incompetence)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Yep. Learn two things:

- Don't try unless you have s***load of money
- Stay as far away from communities as possible

If you don't, you'll be between rock and hard place.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Can't speak for dave, but jolla had already done this with the phone, actually they did more with the phone as the tablet was found to be someone else's design.

They knew what they were getting into, and pissed the money away

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You STILL trying to divert and distract the blame onto everyone else? Disgusting. It's over, Dave. Everyone knows you siphoned off all the money, and your sofa is made of Jolla tablets.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

No probes. I never intend to order or build anything. Just collect :D

Jolla managment is somehow different other leaders?

My beef with Jolla is basically not that they dident(so far) ship the tablet but that they dident told the truth of the status instead the press got wind of the restructuring.

You dont think we Are allowed to make some Jokes about jolla and their leaders? Just imagine what elop, balmer and Jobs have been facing during the years. Leadership is a bitch ;)

Call the police and get a free beer is to much for you?

Ok. Im sorry Marc . I never really intendend to actually arrest you and force you to play for a beer for the 1000 backers. Sincerely Dave Marchack

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Another tweet:

Love these guys.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

And the phone wasn't??? That phone was definitely NOT an in-house design by Jolla itself...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

It was actually a collaboration with our design guys and some Finnish guys. The reference device is nothing like the phone, but PCB reuse is not abnormal.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I think that,even all us can and must admit that jolla made some mistakes (some of them quite big), is not a reason to lacking of respect to them. I can understand the angry ones for loosing money, but i think their intention was/are good. I don't think they have done the best they could, but at least they really tried and i dont want to blame them for that. We can be angry, we can show our disappointment and remark what we think have been their missing point and mistakes, but we have to recognise to them a lot of attenuances and some great things that they finally reached. otherwise, if you speak just like that way, we would be a bunch of trolls. So if we have to talk about it , please try to be really constructive and not to destroy everything.

however since is not the real topic of this thread i invite all you guys to come back IT.
Thanks to Nodevel for news and thank to cybette, very kind sailor and to lakko for her work and efforts.
And the greatest thanks go to Jaakko, since i think is one of the most talented guy on the boat.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Jolla did stay away from communities, or at least this one. Maemo.org admin bent over backwards in an attempt to persuade Jolla to make maemo.org its official home, but Jolla were not interested. This is not surprising, since we are not really Jolla's intended customers.

The impact of TMO activity on Jolla's fortunes is zilch, so it's no good trying to use TMO as a scapegoat.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Thanks, I stand corrected. :) Still, if that's the case, it makes me wonder why there was such a dearth of interest inside Jolla for novel other halves, or what the longstanding problem was with the replaceable battery; I would have thought if there were folks inside Jolla actually interested in hardware, the phone would have gotten a little more attention...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I've never seen an android-a-like jolla phone

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Was there ever any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design? It's the same style as the phone. It always seemed more likely to me that they'd sold the design to someone in China to sell there, as a nifty way of getting some more money in to fund the thing.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

So why did Marc left?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

seriously OT, but i feel to do it:

Everyone here talking about opensource and really open project with TMO as important reference point...but on the other side, so much little interest about NEMO mobile thread. I really would like to know why you act in this way, please reply to me in that thread since i am feeling mind-fractured. just cant afford why call for a homemade cake and then no one is interested to contribute in his way in the process of cooking it.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

no i guess instead that tablet design was chosen by some other manufacturer, and rifined as they wanted. but thats not such an important thing.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

again rumoured to partner with Nokia ?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Um... back then it stirred quite mixed reception when some wanted to keep this Maemo-only community-driven place with no strings attached to any company whatsoever. Some welcomed them but by all means, not all. Also, no company will make forum they cannot legally and otherwise control in any way their official site. However, they still were present here. Let's not twist the past into something that it was not just to make ourselves feel better or to some more wretched end.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Is it the same Style? I've got both at home (lucky me) and they look "completely" different.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I cannot understand why we have to blame Jolla for mistakes, everybody knew from the very beginning their task was very difficult and in practice it was proved even more difficult. We supported Jolla by buying the phone and the tablet, and some of us contributed too.

There is a big problem with all those talented developers leaving the company, it is really sad.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Yes, I don't think many blame them for trying to do their thing, first succeeding with a phone and then failing with a tablet. But why could Jolla be honest toward us? Don't you think we diserved that? Even now we have no clue but speculation.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Sure. Have a look for the Aigo x86 tablet.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You are scapegoating again, and also trying to claim that I am guilty of schadenfraude and have some agenda against Jolla, which is wrong. I am indifferent towards Jolla as a company, as I am indifferent to all for-profit enterprises. I have never suffered from the delusion that any business is my friend. I own several Nokia devices, and write software almost exclusively for those devices, but that does not mean I have ever felt any loyalty towards Nokia. I only do what I do because I enjoy it. I don't give a flying V for Nokia.

The only Jolla presence here has been a few employees posting infrequently in a personal capacity. Nothing that has been said here has had any effect on Jolla's sucess or failure. I doubt if any investors are even aware of this place.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

From the comments.Well it does not say who designed it but:

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-operations/

For your other question: it’s quite common nowadays for smaller device vendors operating in different markets to share some aspect of the product details, such as hardware design elements, to balance costs. This is what happened here too. Aigo is sold in mainland China, where the Jolla Tablet is not available, and thus certain elements have been shared.

As already stated here, Jolla Tablet is a lot different from a HW point of view. It has a significantly better fully laminated display, different USB connectors and censors. Also the color and material definitions are completely different, even though they might look the same. Just to mention a few things.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

This community is not homogeneous. People have various interests, and the makeup of this community has changed over time due to certain devices/platforms being discontinued and new devices/platforms arriving.

Generally, if people choose not to contribute to something it's probably because:

1. They don't have the time.
2. They would rather spend their time doing something else.

1. is often the consequence of 2. Personally, I would rather spend time maintaining my own projects than contributing to NEMO. Also, I don't have much interest in the future of mobile, because it is clearly heading away from the idea that brought me to this community in the first place: the pocket computer. I have no interest in smartphones or tablets (as in the fondleslab tablets).

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Is somehow possible that the Aigo x86 tablet is a copy of the design of the Jolla Tablet?

The Jolla tablet somehow follows the curved design of the phone...

Maybe once they saw Jolla's design, Aigo made an alternate version which is not that "sophisticated" regarding the used components.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

>has a significantly better fully laminated display

Sure - but that was one of the reasons for the delay. Jolla decided that they didn't like the original included display. It isn't that they designed in that 'significantly better fully laminated display' at the outset.

And different USB connectors? Oh, please that's hardly a design difference either.

Color and material definitions? Again, not a significant design difference.

The question was whether there was any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design. I'd say the evidence is pretty damning. Jolla themselves admit to at least sharing the design. And even so I suspect they were being economical with the truth.

And let's look at the practicalities. It would be much quicker and cheaper for Jolla to start with a reference design and modify it a bit than to design a tablet from scratch. Given their financing and primary focus on the OS, what do you think they would have done?