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my next conquest i guess.

actually

https://github.com/matthewwardrop/linux-surfacepro3

boom everybody wins. well kinda have to use archlinux but thats even better.

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Nice. But won't help me. I've a Surface Pro 4.

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I don't think this is entirely true. For one, after such a long time of devices without physical keyboards, it's safe to say interest has waned. They take up a lot of extra space, whereas a touch keyboard only shows up when needed. There is no way to change your keyboard layout, but with touch keyboards you can switch between whichever layout you want. Considering the lack of native English speakers that currently own a Jolla device (or use a port), probably not too many people will be happy with a UK QWERTY, and producing devices with a hundred different layouts for each different language (or even different layouts for the same language) when your target group is not very big doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

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I would be happy with any (just one) layout!!!
(of course preferably German or English as the one)

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I get about 2 days worth of use with it, around the same as with my phone. I think usually tablets have better battery capacity but cannot really say anything of it since I have no experience with other than SFOS tablets :)
(my other one is Nexus7 running SFOS)

Probably the thing with devices conserving power better is that they go faster to suspend mode.

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More memory is nice but the 1GB of SBJ1 has never been any problem to me.

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Do you run Android apps too? I think that's where the problems start for most.

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I used to get all kind off strange text messages after putting my sim-card into Android device back at the time. Nowdays I do only get a sfdroid bug repport dialog after a system crash for a moment. An Andriod system that can't communicate with your BT, modem or WiFi HW is a good thing to have.

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Interesting. I see it exactly the opposite way. Physical keyboards are neatly out of the way yet always ready. A couple of cases in hand: CTRL+<letter> combinations in the browser, a key combination to take a screenshot, pressing a letter to apply an instant filter in a file manager or a contacts list... in all these cases you have a full, unobscured view of the screen.

Virtual keyboards, on the other hand, pop up when they please so you are at a mercy of the OS designer. When they do pop up, they take up a sizeable portion of the screen, hiding most of the context. I have yet to see a virtual keyboard taking less than a half of the screen. On my Jolla it is more like 2/3.

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That'll be the day when someone catches me running any android apps!

It's a sin, you know?

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lol... so sorry I brought it up.

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@juiceme I know you never use android apps as I know. lol

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That wouldn't be all that difficult

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I don't think warranty should be the real concern here. Jolla would have to give you warranty after all (and IAAL, OTH- who wants to go to court in Finland over 170 EUR ?). The fact that Jolla even tries to get away without giving anyone a warranty is what should trouble you.

Again- i really, really would love seeing Jolla succeed. But boy, they make some strange mistakes, don't they ?

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I think you should read all information on that topic with more attention before jumping into a conclusion.
This is pretty clear that the absence of warranty is entirely related to the fact that they are not anymore in the hardware business so they do not have (anymore) any facility to handle warranty especially the sort of strict warranty inside the EU. This is not an easy business with all the regulations to follow, plus all the competition, the patents...etc... You cannot just sell a device and send complaints to nowhere.
But they want to have us on board which is nice! So they found this program which is not selling a device but a service. So somehow the warranty is not as strict and we can just try to find an agreement with them when we have a problem with the hardware.

People complain when Jolla is not proposing a device. Now they complain that they are offering something?
They almost disappear and they still struggle to survive. Forget about Jolla offering a perfect service for you! This is only for dreamers of a better world :)
But a dream never fully materialise so one should have low expectations as well...

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Good luck convincing a judge of that, though.

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What do you think Jolla should have done ?
- offer a warranty that they cannot in fine respect because they do not have the infrastructure for that (and so pretty much lie)
- say that the warranty is not guaranteed and hope that nobody would register and go on trial at the first problem. If you have a problem, they clearly said 'we will do our best to help'
- not offer that program at all

I believe they've done their best ...

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Of course selling a device is what they do. They even stated that the price for the device is barely enough to cover the costs.

Apple doesn´t build the iPhone. Foxconn does. Yet Apple provides full warranty.

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Jolla does not sell the device. They sold limited places in the Community Program, which among other privileges includes a developer device (and those never come with any warranty because they're not consumer products).

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Jolla C was briefly for sale today (unless it was a mistake which they have corrected now).

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Yes, sir... you have to be ready when jolla makes a move :D dident want one today either. Anyone got one today?

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Any hatebois (I like that term, some complain it is a banable personal insult I think? should we ban fanboi? same derogatory idea behind those two) wanna bet no Jolla C will be delivered by July? Willing to bet 169€

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True. As for screenshots, though, this is usually done through some combination of power/home/volume buttons (except on Sailfish, clearly, for reasons unimaginable).

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With a combination of the last fiasco and zero warranty, everyone who buys one is betting! :p

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So wanna bet?

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Nope, that's why I didn't buy one! I think they will deliver this one on time, they have to...

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Ahhh shame, how is it a scam if they will deliver then??? Let me double down, if they don't deliver I will send you 340, if they do, you owe me 169, fair bet? Come on, free money

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Hahaha :D

When did I say it was a scam :D

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Oh sorry, you did not? Plenty of hatebois do, so for them it should be free money, obviously jolla is out to milk their shekels (in 3 gif formats, don't believe there was anything behind spam in those three gifs, no progression, no joke, much adding to discussion). Sorry about that, offer still stands, if anyone wants to get 340 free euros on this scam, you know where to find me

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I'm not a hateboi (whatever the f that is!) but if we are gonna use this terminology I suppose I was a fanboi now I'm a ivehadenoughboi.
Wish them nothing but luck with there latest effort, even though there's no profit in it for them:confused:

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Yeah, sorry, that's the difference though, seeing the amount involved (69k euro? that's not enough for one employee for a year even, they surely aim for that) and what actually is on offer, normalbois don't jump into 'melt steel beams' territory. Hatebois do, because whatever that company does it must be bad, malicious, a scam... So put your money where your mouth is, nothing to lose, free money, come get it

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I just love it when people lecture me on law and call me a hateboi for pointing out then if someone sells a device, he should cover it with a proper warranty :D

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Not calling you or lecturing, huh? I was initially worried about this too, but they are selling teaching materials and invites to lectures, the program, devices come as an accessory which they wish to provide, but cannot guarantee to have. If n950 you got in similar way broke and Nokia did not provide you an alternative, not sure you would pull out a lawyer to demand one back. Ban on resale was the same as 'you can keep it after all is done'. Or maybe our (old)council should expect M$ to bang their door and demand their own device back

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I honestly wouldn't know what to do if that happens...

I'm the "oldest" councillor there is, having been in the position since a *long* time ago and I have never been so near a N950 that I could have touced it :(

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Wow, fail of a program if enthusiasts never managed to even touch a device (not to mention amount who received and never gave back anything), that delivering by a community of know-betters is not a good idea at all, glad this is a community device and not chosen-ones then

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Yes most developer devices are not cover with guarantee, but on other hand they are send to developers for free and not sold.
But when you just make small batch and want to sell it, so you call it community program, though anyone can buy device (public and FIFO policy on buying) is not community or developer program - it's "sell phone" program mostly.

So if you buy something and to do it you don't even need to be a part of the community is a consumer product after all

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2 simple questions:
a) Would anybody cough up 169 EUR for that program without getting the device so he might get invited to Finland on his own expenses ?
b) Are the devices given to handpicked developers or to anyone who is willing to pay 169 EUR ?

I still believe Jolla is doing strange things and they should stop doing so if they want to sell a lot more than 1000 devices. And it´s a bloody shame they don´t get their act together because i really like having an option besides iOS and Android.

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Your English is excellent (are you a native speaker by any chance?) but you have made one mistake. You have misspelled observe ;)

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a) It would be illogical. Just go to Finland without paying those 169 EUR, as much as I have a lot of doubts about Jolla, they are friendly and if you communicate with them - I do not think it would be a problem to meet them and even visit their office. Few folks here already did it few times (at least before they moved from old office)

b) Those devices are not given but sold to anyone who wants/can to buy them. You just had to be one of the first 1000 and have $$$ to pay. No limitations, I think you even could register at Jolla account that exact day (if you need to register at all). <- anoyne correct me if I'm wrong.


Don't worry, they checked that people are still buying their sh*t phone and they are checking the option to sell more.

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At least there's something for folks to buy that'll arrive sooner than later. Real tired of fanciful talk about devices that are undelivered and unsupported.

This Jolla dislike seems to miss a key point; the **** you folks point towards not a lot of people like either. It's a choice of niche products and/or opposing camps that ultimately are just geeks using semantic or overly technical jargon to make a rather minor point meanwhile millions of other, better supported devices go sold than your so-called geek favorite.

Feh. Take it however you'd like, any of you, but at least there's still some options left that can be had, in hand, sooner than later.