Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

The quick way is to have a similar sized phone, like iphone plus or whatever... and enlarge one of the ID picture until the screen on picture the same size as the device's screen, and you'll have idea how big the keys underneath.

Let's save paper. :)

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVd6WWDSthY

The campaign is set to launch by 12:00 noon UK Time (GMT+0).

Trying to finalising everything now...

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Campaign is running!

Best of luck to you chen!

-.- i have forgotten my credit card at home, so my wish for fast sellout of early bird is shifted to 16:00 :p
EDIT Puuuh, a nice collegue helped me out \o/

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

How's the UI of android in landscape? In iOS it's terrible, dozen of apps are portrait-only and if they are landscape the UI elements get utterly big. Bought BT slider for my workphone but thing is, almost don't use it because of the clumsy UI and integration.

N900 is still my device of choice for typing mails. Too bad it doesn't support whatsapp anymore, because too much communication happen through whatsapp.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Better than on iOS but still far from great (better on tablets). Sailfish is better but some apps are portarit only. On android also. The only phone with proper landscape was N900. Where people complained about the lack of portrait support. :rolleyes:

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

I was testing on 11:30 just see if everything was well, you are so quick Mosen! :)

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Hi Chen,

This is a fantastic idea. Thanks for all of your work so far Chen :)

Perhaps you could rename this thread to something more appropriate/descriptive? ('IndieGogo campaign launched for Moto Z physical keyboard mod', or something?)

FYI: just placed a link to your campaign and this thread in the forum of a Dutch tech site, Tweakers.net:
https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum...40197#50440197 (it's in Dutch ;))
Hope this helps generate some publicity.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Thank you so much! Yes good point I will change the name of this thread... for less confusion. And thanks again for all your support!

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Anyone of the backers here planning to port Sailfish to Moto Z or do you buy the keyboard for use with android?

@chenliangchen
The IGG site is a bit vague regarding if battery will be included. Can you give a rough estimate on when you think that will be decided? A week? After the campaign has ended?

@chenliangchen
By scandic keyboard you mean ÅÄÖ?

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

- Regarding battery. We are working with Moto engineers for the prototype. The challenge now is the connecting part - where the metal connectors and magnets are - can't reduce thickness. We are working hard to reduce the top weight and make the mod as slim as possible. This will take about a week from now. Until that part is confirmed I can't guarantee the battery (which is on the bottom). Having it or not will be balanced by overall thickness and comfortness in hand. That is why I did not put 100% confirmed at the moment.

- Yes.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

At least the default Launcher on Moto Z supports landscape. And most service I'm using supports landscape (well for typing at least) But Android landscape layout needs to be improved, some useless banners/element just too big.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Hi there,
First congrats to chenliangchen !

For the porting question, actually it seems Moto Z play has a partially working cm13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...4/post69504998

Google Location Provider seem to be the issue, but I assume sailfish does not need that !

Great device !

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

The other challenge will be to transfer the Moto Mods platform across OS... At lease for the keyboard! :D

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Suggestion : compare the size of Nokia N900 keyboard x Keyboard Mod for Moto Z. If possible with numbers and also 2 superposed figures.

As many users here loved the Nokia N900 keyboard, so it is a reference for us.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

First off I'd like to say congratulations on the launch chenliangchen! I've already backed the product and so have many people I know. Alot of people are getting excited over this in the forums and irc communities I frequent :). I have some suggestions though if its not too late to add them to the IGG:
I think it'd be nice to add some kind of lower priced stickers perk so that people who are not interested in the Moto Z/Play devices can have something so they can support the cause and let the industry know that we are here, and we want physical keyboards. Shirts or even small accessories would be ever better but I don't want to take away too much time from your focus on the keyboard itself. I think its a good marketing idea and it will help meet your goal because its quite ambitious.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Thank you for your support and suggestions! Really hope this can be successful and the manufacturer in China will have more confident designing/making an all in one slider phone. This is still the eventual goal!

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

I now think that the space between the keys is enough. Now I looked more closely at the form of the keys. It can be seen in the pictures of the campaign that you chose a "curvy surface", the keys are "curvy comfort keys".
I tried a lot of small keyboards (Psion 5mx, HP 100lx, N900, some small bluetooth keyboards). The best form in my opinion is a flat key, or even slightly curved concave (like the Psion 5MX). Maybe you can rethink this design? It might even make the device a bit thinner.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Not sure if you can share the details at this stage, but if you do, how keyboard connection is implemented in hardware and software for Android? TOHKBD has a daemon which connects to userspace-exposed I2C and GPIO interfaces, reads the keys and in turn creates userspace input device. If it's something similar, the daemon code could be mostly reused.

I would like to try porting SailfishOS, but Moto Z is far from the budget device, unfortunately.

Edit: Found https://developer.motorola.com/explore/firmware. The SailfishOS software will probably need to talk to "Greybus" interface then, unless keyboard is exposed as proper HID device by kernel.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Congrats and good luck on this awesome project!

Would love to have one of these! (if I had the money :( )

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

If livermorium succeeds, i will buy more than one Moto Z, promised ;)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

For information, Greybus is now part of the Linux kernel, but only very recently, with the release of Linux 4.9 in last December :
https://www.linux.com/news/linux-ker...t-release-ever

So depending of the linux kernel available for the Moto X (which will probably be older than 4.9) and if the greybus code used for the android version is available in their repository, the job will be to backport some of this to the older kernel, or adding a dedicated kernel driver with minimal greybus-to-keyboard handling code. Not sure of the difficulty of doing this, but probably not a plug and play thing.

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device
 

Well, tell us more about how the mod is designed !
From the first figure in https://developer.motorola.com/explo...m-architecture I can see USB3 and USB2/myDP do not pass through the MuC (I assume Greybus is between the phone and the MuC). From your own video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LChJXj2Dw I see you are using a regular USB keyboard, so I hope you just tap to those exposed USB pins, which is the same result as if you would plug it in the USB-C connector. If it is the case, support across OS doesn't seem too complicated...

Or did you add (yet another) micro that hosts the keyboard, converts to I2C/UART, sends to the MuC ? :D Sounds like pure madness.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

I don't know which interfaced was chosen but the HID interface was probably chosen as the firmware already exists.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

a quarter is reached!

lets hope for some news sites picking up the story this week. I compiled some emails to heise.de, golem.de and others to raise awareness.

Edit, golem did an early mention a week ago

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Thank you Mosen! By today our campaign was #1 in terms of funding pledged!

I am so busy these days with all the engineering aspects. Even with a slider part (which I updated today) a lot of jobs involved with the component supplier, all goes into details! But we will manage!

And hopefully by later this month we have the 1st working prototype, I will try to do something big to attract more attentions (keep that secret for now :)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Yay! You got a full feature at golem.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

I was chose as one of the final winner to give presentation at Moto headquarter... Too unreal to believe...

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

I did my best to keep the battery!

To maintain a proper and reasonable thickness the battery will be around 1500mAh, but it's better than not having any at all.

I hope pichlo is satisfied....:p

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

What happens if you won't reach the 100k goal?

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Nothing. Fixed goal is like on Kickstarter.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

I can imagine creative ways to turn this into a success even in that case.
Let me speculate.
From a business perspective, it would be a bargain for moto to buy out livermorium from a nearly finished product.
Also the other recent moto mods seem to be doing concidearbly less good on IGG and moto most likely needs something to show off as a decent Mod, so further support is not unlikely imho.
Only two ways of thinking positive ;)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Both involving a wild assumption that Motorola would be interested. Hmm... ;)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Anyone has a clue what is going on with this man?

Certainly he is not the only one in this world knows how to make a keyboard. And he apparantly has no idea how mass production works.

I'm trying to ignore him but looks like he is in a mood of teaching me lesson constantly.

Don't like it! I hope his behaviour does not end up like his product.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

I will put more effort on media in the next few weeks and make sure we reach the goal.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

At least I am one of the few that was chosen to travel to their HQ, and tell them more about our product. There certainly should be an interest here.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Wow! I totally missed that.

(Sorry, I did not mean my comment in any way negative, though reading it back it may look like that.)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

hmm... isn't that the guy from TOHKB? Strange behaviour. Best thing you can do is prove him wrong ;)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

At least i am still using TOHKBD since i swapped back to jp1 on 2.1.x and printed myself a new toh-side ;)

I can see where dirk is coming from.
He seems to have real doubt because the way you are doing things differs very much from his experience.
As long as you can answer his remarks as solved for yourself, all should be good.
Communication could solve this but its one of those "ain't no body got time for that" dilemma again...
The worst thing is to put fuel to the fire.
I would advise everybody to stay calm and not draw conclusions on tiny fact basis.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

But he is trying to "teach" me for quite a few times in an uncomfortable way.

Normally if the field I'm not familiar, I won't have confidence to write to others in such an irritating way.

I lost my patience (and respect) writing to him in "PR" way, and I'm not a PR!

But I got what you say. We are very close to the first working prototype now. So everything will be clear.

I don't care what he says/moans, he won't change the fact this product will be GREAT! :D