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it's the OS

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I would root my device because I would like to have similar experience like in my N900 was. For example, I would like to reach my device via ssh and copy photos, etc without the need to play with mtp mount for example...

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Hopefully we'll have Maemo Leste at some point...

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Yes, we will see it.

However, I don't know if I would use it or not...
...the system itself is missing, but most modern applications are made for Android...

So in reality, Sailfish seems to be a better option but that is also only if it will arrive with Android support...
...otherwise I would loose the support of several service which should be available on my phone and multiboot is not a really convenient option... :(

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see, there's your problem.

services that lock off their api to the 'official' app only and cant be arsed to make one of those outside of android and ios that means every one else can go suck it.

if they dont care about you why should you care about them?

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My problem in one hand and other's problem on the other hand...

Anyway, it is an interesting question... for example, official bank applications are those what you may need primarily (especially in the PSD2 era), including Fintechs. However, these programs are the most problematic ones if we are speaking about even the rooted Android systems... (that may worth another long thread anyway)

...and these service may the less chance to be adapted to other systems and the more you will need them in time... sad. :(
Without speaking about them, I would not really name any applications I would miss...

So, theoretically, you are right, but practically not really...

On the other hand, I don't really like Android systems, the way it handle 'multitasking' and so on...
...Maemo basically was highly a much better operating system.

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I would probably root it. For example some aspects of car usage require rooting.

@SaiKo nowadays it is not simply just that easy as ignoring them.

Banking apps are good example, not only normal banks but other money transfer applications as well. There is plethora of other apps that you just "need" for your everyday life.

Also Whatsapp is classic example. Where as I and my friends might be able to easily change to telegram or whatever, the situation is completly different for my daughters football team that uses Whatsapp for communication. We all realize that I can't go asking little children to start using apps that their parents don't know. Especially this year we have had some really bad examples of that here in Finland :(

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I had heard of these but thought they are not that reliable. Quick web search indicates that it might work for my bank as well.

Thanks, have to look to this more closely.

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No, you don't need to have root for things like that (anymore). Just install AdGuard and you're safe from ads, even ads that are inside apps.
For YouTube without ads and background playback (and dark mode) just install YouTube Vanced

You don't need to have root to have ssh... What are you talking about??

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Having able to ssh to a phone is one thing but if the system hides your own files from you then it makes it useless without rooting...

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You were talking about copying your photos, not system files.
Why would you want to tamper with system files anyway?

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I feel sad about people over here are really stuck to their N900's OS without looking and seeing what is happening around them. A LOT of things has been changed in the past 10 (!) years.

Maybe you guys should actually try or at least gather some recent information about nowadays other OS's instead of blindly shouting stuff about things from 10 years ago.

You would see that the N900 is literally missing out almost everything in 2019...
It's already time to let the N900 retire and look forward to something else, to something that the N900 was doing, but in a better way.

Pro 1 is the most closest device that you can get to achieve this.

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Looking forward to hearing about folk's experiences with this phone. I had signed up but wimped out cause I had already committed to Purism. And second, I just didn't want another phone that was android. Especially as the specs are not as good as my current one although I will miss the HWKB.
Not so much interested in Jolla anymore. I don't think I'm even that interested in Purism right now cause it will not be that fully developed software wise and hardware is likely subpar but I do like the novelty of it, its linux base and what it brings. I think if I got another android phone it would be because of outstanding specs/camera maybe folding screen if that worked well. HWKB in itself is not enough. Anyways, good luck and I applaud Chen's efforts. A true hero for carrying out this project.

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I am not really want to tamper Android system files but would like to have access to hardware and even running some Linux environment on the phone (that is why N900 was really good for me).

Basically, I am using Linux as desktop and want to have similar features like if I was using my notebook but on my phone.

I am also thinking the use of f2fs on my MicroSD card to extend its life, etc.

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To be honest, even 6-7 years ago n900 felt so outdated. Same story for my beloved n9 ofcourse.
Nevertheless, it's fun to take those devices out of the drawer every now and then to remember good ol' times.
But using them today as a primary smartphone by choice? Like, willingly? You have to really hate yourself or something.

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I think it's hard to generalize "people" into one category. For example

1. Some just want what they are used to (probably who you referring to)
2. Some want something that work as close to a Debian phone as possible. Right now this is still Maemo & I guess ubports.
3. Some people want a computer that is also a phone in there pocket. Not a phone that does some computer like stuff.
4. Some people want a functioning keyboard phone. Very few outside of Japan and blackberry .. maybe a few rando android phones.
5. Many just really don't want anything to do with android.
6. Many don't need banking apps, uber, WhatsApp, facebook, instagram, etc apps. They just need the basics to work very well.
7. Many people searching and hoping for a modern OS to use. but instead only have open and semi open OS that have too many short comings that really are just different kinds of probably vs maemo.

I really hope this changes over the next few years. But I'm kind a blend of 7, 6, 5, 4 and a little bit of 3.

I've been watch sailfish and ubports for years. And have yet to see a completing reason to change. For all I gain I loss a lot of tiny things. Like death by a thousand cuts :D.

Maemo-leste is making the OS no longer 10 yrs old. No I will be the first to say there are tons of issue I hope can be address once m-Leste become stable. But this is a big maybe.

So for right now chance are I will run sailfish, ubports ... unless something else comes out.

I really appreciate your enthusiasm, but I think for how blind your painting some folks ... you may have some blinder spots as well.

There IS no right answer in the open source communities love it or hate it :D

I would happily give up on maemo/n900 once some comes alone that fit my needs and doesn't remove too much of what I like about how I use my phone now.

Also soon we will start reading and seeing the pro1 in the wild good and bad. I wish chen would get a phone over to the maemo-leste folks ... more chose = better life :D

cheers

x

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I'm a every day user.

Really the only thing I would say I hate is the cpu and emmc speed. This makes the phone feel very slow sometimes.

Because I've never adopted the apps life, my need are very flexible at the moment. So with terminal I can sync, linkup to a pebble, rsync backups etc.

I'm for sure not normal ...haha. But it's in some ways a freer life style, not waiting for company A to support my phone.

It will most likely be the same for a Librem OS, sailfish or any other OS I try.

x

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As long as your setup works for you, no one can argue.
I use way too much stuff from my phone and tablet. For the office, for my home, for my own business etc.
Anyway, that's irrelevant. I wrote my opinion based on my personal use and that's it.
But other than that, focusing on the support part, it's not a problem anymore.
You basically have about 4 years of support with pixel/galaxy phones and you can always flash it yourself if you want.
For example my Galaxy S from 2010 runs Android 7.1. That's extra 5 years on top of the first 2 years with official updates!

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I have replaced my N900 exactly a year ago since its eMMC stopped working. This was my second N900 with the same problem, the first one still works using MicroSD as part of the system (the phone also has a 256 MB primary storage which still works).

The second one still could be waken up the same way, however, it also had other problems like loosing SIM connection sometimes.
I had two main problems at last - slow CPU and few RAM, the latter is only 256MB altogether.
It was not really able to cope with modern web pages.

However, I remember a few years ago we were presenting a new system which were still under development running at a private computer somewhere else. The computer was connected to a UPS, but it did not work and a power outage restarted the whole system two times during the presentation. Fortunately, I could use my N900 to get everything to work again not leaving us in trouble. Today's phones without a landscape querty keyboard are completely unusable in such situations.

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I seem to remember reading from Chenliangchen that the Pro1 has USB OTG, but I can't find the confirmation in the specifications on the official website. Can anyone confirm? I'm about to buy a USB-USB-C small adapter while I order something else, I would like to know before I confirm my order.

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Liangchen Chen has confirmed it has OTG support here:

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Thanks. :]

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Samsung has DeX, it turns your phone into a fully sized desktop environment. If you want to flash a Linux Distro, than yes you need to root of course.

You really have no idea what you're talking about don't you?
AdGuard sets up a LOCAL VPN that blocks and filters out the content for you.

https://github.com/AdguardTeam

It blocks literally everything, yes even ads on Instagram :rolleyes:
Stop trying to troll people and do your homework ffs.

Instead of replying "Thanks", why not (also) use the "Thanks!" button? :confused:

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Samsung DeX seems to be another interesting thing, but the basic use case is different I think (hardware keyboard and working directly on the phone).

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If you accept to be tracked eveery single instant of your life, let it be it. Me, not.

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I've got NuDock, looks like it will fit. :)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...hone-to-a-comp

And waiting for both Pro1 to deliver and Maru OS to enable their "nearly any Android device support". :)
https://maruos.com/blog/2019/announc...6-okinawa.html

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you are tracked regardless of OS. Cell towers are tracking you, ISP is tracking you, speed cameras are tracking you, security cams also, your ID/passport is chipped, more and more of everyday need is online so they are also tracking you............
Android is tracking you so that google can sell adds. Annoying as hell it is seeing adds inside apps but there are far worse tracking going around and there's nothing you can do about it. They don't give a shite about anything else. Governments abuse that data far more than google.
And in a day and age when most people willingly put their life on internet and do most stupid thing for their 5 minutes of fame it's kinda pointless to talk about privacy. Sure, there are some systems which are worse in that regard than others, but ultimately it's much more about the users than about the systems.

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And here we go again.
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, so let's go back in time, Marty...

An excerpt, just for you:

Also:

Indeed.
So no need to add/accept more, right ? ;)

You got it backward: they do give a shit about everything, because there's a buyer for every single kind of users' data (and it doesn't matter if it's "anonymized", it's still sucked-up data).
They're way past just dealing with the mere ads of yore.

That's a fair point, but the behavior of those people isn't supposed to make the rest of us (the few that don't chase fame and put their life on internet, and maybe even all those that have no clue at all) forgo their will to have their privacy respected (well... as much as possible, that is), is it ?

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Man I hope the Pro1 isn't buggy as **** on launch, otherwise i'm sending mine back and grabbing one of my 6310i's out of the drawer, my N900 is starting to become ridiculously unstable and slow!

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I'm counting on somebody being not quite satisfied with something about their Pro1 (too big for my pocket, too heavy -- need suspenders, didn't really need keyboard as bad as I thought, just changed my mind -- a girl/boy can do that) and selling it to me at a lightly-used price, not a collector's item price. So I guess I'm also hoping that Fxtec is successful in producing it in quantity. I don't really need one -- at least until there's a functional SFOS port on it -- but I do want one.

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That's exactly where Maemo 5 and the N900 excel. See them as the old laptops used in the ISS: you don't want something bleeding edge there, but you want something that works in most cases because it uses generic stuff, reliable because the technology is robust and well tested, and behaves the way you want it to behave. In many ways, except of course from its size, the N900 feels like a micro computer more than a mobile phone with some computer specs.

The N900 is way too slow for nowadays standards, let alone the outdated browser and the lack of applications for public or private companies. Yet, it still shines for its keyboard, compact form factor, stylus, quality resistive screen, and other gadgets (RGB LED, FM, stereo, etc.). And most of all, it features an OS that does not work as if it was locked down to a category of devices on which one should prefer specific applications for specific services. You need to do something Unix can do? Odds are good that the N900 might be able to do it with no applications. Android in its deep Linux roots could probably do it too, but odds are good that the feature is locked.

I cannot say that I would use my N900 for daily use because besides the lack of HWKB/stylus, I am happy with Sailfish and the Android compatibility. However, I wish all companies would still offer their services as if they didn't assume everyone has the same OS. They didn't do it 10 or 15 years ago, while they do assume you have Android or iOS now, pretty much as if it was mandatory like a bank account. And they are right in most cases, but this totally changes the way they offer their services because they serve only the monopolistic OSes, which causes issues. Often, bank applications could just use websites with the same features, but the paradigm is to embed every single service in its own application now. We need Android or iOS to take the bus, the train, pay for parking, or even interact, and sometimes there are no website alternative (some services are not even available for a regular computer). Unfortunately, this is a rather restrictive idea of what an OS ecosystem should be: instead of promoting additional features, it just starves everything else because we now need a specific OS to do stuff that used to be generic. And since they often lock their APIs or their code, even the good will of a third-party developer is useless.

Let's hope this can change progressively thanks to PostmarketOS, Maemo-Leste, Sailfish, Librem, and most of all the rising public concern (in some communities or countries only, so far) about privacy, freedom and ever-growing GAFAs. The hope is thin, but that's still something, and I can safely say that I would be happy if mobile OSes in the future could become just a variety of tools to achieve similar goals, instead of prerequisites pre-selected by market monopoles to fulfill basic needs like public transportation.

I use this button often, just forgot this time. However, there, I was trying to be polite and wanted to show that I was grateful, instead of not taking the time to reply. Won't do it again I guess. :<

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You make good points, yet...

I suppose it depends on the country, but at the very least in France, we don't need those phagocytizing OSes to do all those.
Sure, it's more convenient to have them, but it's not mandatory (yet ? :().
I can manage those just fine with my credit card, and you can be sure I'm intent on doing so for the foreseeable future.

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I know, crossing fingers for it to stay like that. As I said, in some cases, there are no alternatives. Fortunately, it still is not the norm in France.

However, I was in a town in Norway for some years, and I either had to have Android to pay for the bus or go in the very few allowed stores (I knew only two in the whole 70k-inhabitant city; very convenient when the point is to buy tickets to get around) with restricted opening hours to buy paper tickets at twice the price. No tickets sold in the bus, company policy. I guess it's for security reasons, but Norway is one of the safest countries in the world and it's not just because bus drivers have no cash on them.

For parkings, I never found a way to pay without the application of the private company operating all parking lots in the town (including road sides) or another compatible Android application. And there was not a single free parking spot in the town, town policy.

I also have two accounts in neobanks based in Germany and France. None of them can be used without an Android smartphone. Sure, you shouldn't be able to open an account if you don't have such a phone in the first place (which is admittedly very questionable already), but then they keep updating their apps over time, and with it the API requirement. With N26, the German one, I could open the account, but one year later, Android 4.4 (restricted by my Alien Dalvik version) was not compatible anymore. Not even a warning some days/weeks before the update. Couldn't do anything. Not even a bank wire to get the money that was still on my account; they have a website, but every operation needs to be confirmed on the phone. Their customer service refused to help, said it is not safe to bypass their restrictions and they don't even have the tools to do so. They told me I just have to update my OS, that I must have received a notification to download it, as if all Android devices get all Android updates. In the end, I used a friend's device, paired it to my bank account, and transferred all the money somewhere else. How secure.

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That is why I have loved my N900. I could do several things using it because of the OS and the hardware keyboard.
That was some strange things in it like a ribbon cable coming directly from PCB, but it worked well for several years.

I was waiting for N950 when they almost released it, but since then similar devices are disappeared from market.

It became even better and could gain some more years of life when codes compiled using Thumb2 instruction set has appeared in CSSU.

You are right. Anyway, its display was transflective, so it also worked in direct sunlight which was fine.

I really hope a full Sailfish support will appear including Android compatibility even for Pro1.
It would gain some of the real feeling I had with my N900...

I doubt it will change soon. This is the same like Windows vs. Linux fight.

Also, writing a program which works on all systems take much resources. Also, Maemo is a native ecosystem and that also makes it better on the same hardware. Android's structure is more complicated this way.

Sometimes changes in the world go to wrong direction... like all the phones are the same now with small differences (except Pro1 and a few), every phone getting slimmer with the practical inability of replacing the battery. Same happens with notebooks, you are not even able to buy a robust one even from big manufacturers and high price, because everything "should" be thin and light... also, with internal battery in a business computer...

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Even with no Alien Dalvik, I would be quite happy with a Sailfish/LineageOS multiboot already (+ Leste and PostmarketOS!). Actually, this would allow me better separating the OS and applications I trust and want to support from those I just need occasionally but don't want on my device when I don't need them.

Short off-topic: buy a Xiaomi Mi Air 13"! It's robust and thin, and powerful for the price, and parts are available for purchase and easily replaced. You can even replace the stock SSD and add an extra one. And the hardware is fully compatible with Linux. Strongly recommended if you can type on a Qwerty keyboard.

But this laptop is a very rare example of a device going in the right direction, combining features that sell well and old fashioned features like screws instead of unibody + glue. Especially from a company as big as Xiaomi.

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Breaking News:

New Huawei OS Shock: 'Confirmation' Of Russian Software For Mobile Devices

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#544f6ea979c8

This could be really great or how sailfish is made out to be a backdoor enemy Communist ... think of what ever other nice things some will say about this news.

Great in that it may bring more devices with sailfish to market, which means more software possible. Unless everyone just load android software :(.

x

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I really love the ongoing off-topic in this thread.
But I also believe this needs its own thread or to be attached to an already existing thread about Huawei / Rostelcom ...

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It sounds interesting.

I hope for Sailfish OS to become more popular, thus, more developers would write applications for it.

I hope it won't be directly "connected" (in mind) to be like "backdoor" and at least such code will not enter to Sailfish itself.

On the other hand, most of these phones will definitely end up running Android just because everyone knows it unlike Sailfish / other name OS...

However, there are people who are not really care what OS is running on their device while the necessary applications are running well - and this is the key.

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Funny that you mention Russia, i'm playing through Shadow of Chernobyl right now. Great game!

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I wonder what the status has been for lineage os and the like. Haven't seen anything posted about this phone on xda since February during MWC...