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Dave999 2012-10-26 10:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1285780)
those ACP people are vapourware...they give that type of reply to everyone usually...
True, but I think its better than nothing. It's giving a more clear message to the customer. also that compony takes the customers serious. It also highlights the question. How do you contact jolla?

twitter is not a option. I'm waiting for a press/market/customer contact.

don_falcone 2012-10-26 10:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
...bla bla bla bla bla. Btw:
" It's giving a more clear message to the customer. also that compony takes the customers serious. It also highlights the question."

1) Even if about 50% of their reply is the typical empty nonsense?
2) You are sure YOU (as a consumer / private person) are their customer?

'No news are good news', and i hope this fits also Jolla.

thedead1440 2012-10-26 10:50
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1285789)
True, but I think its better than nothing. It's giving a more clear message to the customer. also that compony takes the customers serious. It also highlights the question. How do you contact jolla?

twitter is not a option. I'm waiting for a press/market/customer contact.
At least Jolla are giving details on Nov. 21 on their product etc while ACL have no firm date except for coming soon since more than 1 year!

Now I ask you; do you want the "good" communication of ACL and vapourware product or "poor" communication of Jolla and most probably real product?


I think Jolla did say the picture would be cleared after Nov. 21 but ACL are forever a cloudy picture...

Dave999 2012-10-26 10:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1285796)
...bla bla bla bla bla. Btw:
" It's giving a more clear message to the customer. also that compony takes the customers serious. It also highlights the question."

1) Even if about 50% of their reply is the typical empty nonsense?
2) You are sure YOU (as a consumer / private person) are their customer?

1) 50% nonsens to who? even 99 % are nonsens to the compony its extreamly important to give the market, customer a response.

2:) Yes, I'm sure. they could of course target only componies in the future. But as I hope you do know they will release a product under their flag


'No news are good news', and i hope this fits also Jolla.

yes, that's the only thing we can do ATM so lets hope so.

Stskeeps 2012-10-26 13:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1285789)
True, but I think its better than nothing. It's giving a more clear message to the customer. also that compony takes the customers serious. It also highlights the question. How do you contact jolla?

twitter is not a option. I'm waiting for a press/market/customer contact.
From Linkedin page: http://www.linkedin.com/company/jolla , linked from Twitter account

Quote:

About Jolla

Jolla Ltd. is an independent Finland based smartphone product company which continues the excellent work that Nokia started with MeeGo. The Jolla team is formed by directors and core professionals from Nokia's MeeGo N9 organisation, together with some of the best minds working on MeeGo in the communities.

Nokia created something wonderful - the world's best smartphone product. It deserves to be continued, and we will do that together with all the bright and gifted people contributing to the MeeGo success story.

Together with international private investors and partners, Jolla Ltd. will design, develop and sell new MeeGo based smartphones. The Jolla team consists of a substantial number of MeeGo's core engineers and directors, and is aggressively hiring the top MeeGo talent to contribute to the next generation smartphone production.

More information
for press: press@jollamobile.com
for recruiting: careers@jollamobile.com
general enquiries: info@jollamobile.com.

jalyst 2012-10-26 19:23
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1285767)
iNot sure how serious this acl+jolla thing is, but i got this response from open Mobile.
They're trolls, plus their approach was always far from ideal, so much "smoke & mirrors" & closed processes/code etc.
IcedRobot was by far the most exciting approach, I looked into it again recently...
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5636&page=2
Sadly it looks like progress has been very slow, it's basically almost completely stalled for many months now.
I haven't had a response to my last email to them (which you'll see in that thread), maybe we can get it moving again, touch wood.
Ofc it should be secondary to native code/apps, but I still think it could be a important ancillary project, roughly as important as HTML5.

Dave999 2012-10-26 22:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Exellent, thanks for the mail. I looked at the page without seeing the mail. I will contact jolla. It's one only 25 days until sdk, sailfish and information of the device resurface.

I don't know if I agree of ACL but sure, there are some trollnes, about them. But do they actively looking for the attention or is it the community that make exceptation. Either way, we have to dates with Jolla locked down. That's excellent news for every one. Now, if we only can get the Jolla website up and running after the 21st and we are all good.

bwalter 2012-10-27 10:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286106)
... I will contact jolla ...
Please leave them alone.

Dave999 2012-10-27 13:26
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwalter (Post 1286260)
Please leave them alone.
Its like the community question. ;) Probably take lots of more time without any answer than my question. If they can't handle one question, they might be in the wrong buissniss.

mariusmssj 2012-10-27 20:39
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286322)
Its like the community question. ;) Probably take lots of more time without any answer than my question. If they can't handle one question, they might be in the wrong buissniss.
Dave find an out-door hobby, I'm not saying this harshly but the time will go much quicker outside than in these forums.

We all know you can't wait for more info, Slush and phone announcement but your turning to forum ghost. Go outside enjoy the sun while it lasts, find better ways to kill some time :)

Dave999 2012-10-27 21:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1286466)
Dave find an out-door hobby, I'm not saying this harshly but the time will go much quicker outside than in these forums.

We all know you can't wait for more info, Slush and phone announcement but your turning to forum ghost. Go outside enjoy the sun while it lasts, find better ways to kill some time :)
I got this advice once before, and it was from you if I'm not totally correct. Time doesn't go faster, it goes at the same pace all the time.

Plus, you always have atleast one device so you can read the latest during all outdoor activities.

Guys, relax, you can't don't want the time to go faster.

Lumiaman 2012-10-28 06:24
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Stop trolling Dave! You are the winner by far

onethreealpha 2012-10-28 07:08
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286489)
Time doesn't go faster, it goes at the same pace all the time.
Time is an abstract concept and entirely subjective. The older you get the faster it passes. As you accumulate years the relative segments of time that we use, become a smaller percentage of the whole, so by definition become incrementally smaller as a portion of the whole of your life, and thus pass quicker.
it must suck to be you....

Dave999 2012-10-28 07:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1286556)
Stop trolling Dave! You are the winner by far
I haven't even begin to troll in this thread, except in two off topic threads without real purpose. In this thread: No. You read what you want to read in my post. Read them again please.

It's more like spamming possibly, even if it's not spam either. But of course. Every user are entitled to their own opinion. So it might be trolling to you, or spam, or both. After all you are bashing jolla and Jussi before you even see what they are coming up with. I say, give them a few releases to get in a state where they possibly can compete.

If you read my posts as troll post. Please stop reading them, stop
analyze them and instead create a post of your own with you own options. About jolla. Nothing else please.
Atm you clouding the thread and promote trolling more than fact finding. Please consider this statement before you posting a post not related to jolla universe.

And no it doesn't suck to be me. You have no idea how lucky I am :) please keep travel safe and that you have jolla phone in your hand soon. You might be nicer, more forgiving and happy...er then. :)

Dave999 2012-10-28 10:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
since sailfish is a full dist, I assume there is no real problems installing this on my windows tablet like surface pro. What problems can we face(assumeing microsoft don't lock the pro down completly).

Someting importantant missing in mer when it comes to tablets? Or is it ready to go when jolla release their "mobile" version? what about applications and scaling? how does that working with mer/sailfish?

mariusmssj 2012-10-28 11:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286616)
since sailfish is a full dist, I assume there is no real problems installing this on my windows tablet like surface pro. What problems can we face(assumeing microsoft don't lock the pro down completly).

Someting importantant missing in mer when it comes to tablets? Or is it ready to go when jolla release their "mobile" version? what about applications and scaling? how does that working with mer/sailfish?
That is interesting and they did say that "Jolla OS(MeeGo)" will scalable for a range of devices from TV boxes, cars, mobiles to Laptops. IF surface boot loader is not locked i think it would be possible then

mikecomputing 2012-10-28 11:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Havent been here for some days now and today first visited this thread without login, found 7 trollposts and around 3 replys where people discuss times?

NOW LETS GO BACK TO TOPIC!!!

Dave999 2012-10-28 11:34
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1286633)
Havent been here for some days now and today first visited this thread without login, found 7 trollposts and around 3 replys where people discuss times?

NOW LETS GO BACK TO TOPIC!!!
So why add another one? this is the 15th times you post this post and so far nothing about jolla? consider to contribute instead maybe repost this every fifth day? guys that want to be on topic always goes off topic. Its pretty funny actually.

Or this might be what you want to dicuss in jolla thread.

Dave999 2012-10-28 13:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1286624)
That is interesting and they did say that "Jolla OS(MeeGo)" will scalable for a range of devices from TV boxes, cars, mobiles to Laptops. IF surface boot loader is not locked i think it would be possible then
Yes, It probably can. But how does it work and how much work would it be for developers. Everything can be done with time and money. But if its not there it's not scalable. Lets say a go from phone to tablet. Will software scale or does jolla need to adjust. Same with applications, If we using the jolla sdk, do we need adjust everything like to android?

Dared 2012-10-28 13:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Interesting piece of information for you guys. One of the guys on Adaia's team is Jan Wellmann. If any of you remember, he was the CEO of Riot Entertainment (the Finnish mobile games company that went bankrupt after 2 years back around 2002)

Dave999 2012-10-28 16:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1286690)
Interesting piece of information for you guys. One of the guys on Adaia's team is Jan Wellmann. If any of you remember, he was the CEO of Riot Entertainment (the Finnish mobile games company that went bankrupt after 2 years back around 2002)
luckily for us he's not involved in jolla. ;) That It's pretty obvious atm.

erendorn 2012-10-28 18:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286616)
since sailfish is a full dist, I assume there is no real problems installing this on my windows tablet like surface pro. What problems can we face(assumeing microsoft don't lock the pro down completly).

Someting importantant missing in mer when it comes to tablets? Or is it ready to go when jolla release their "mobile" version? what about applications and scaling? how does that working with mer/sailfish?
You need to provide hardware adaptation, that should be easy. Then, you need to pay to sign your boot loader/kernel by a trusted party (probably microsoft, that has accepted to do it for a reasonnable amount) so you can load it on hardware made for windows RT.

That's because "secure boot" (search for it) spec says the user must have the option to disable secure boot on x86 hardware (for windows 8 hardware), but the user must not have the option to disable it on Arm/Win RT hardware.
So, it's not really a locked bootloader, but it's not an open bootloader either.
Basically, an individual can't do it.

Bundyo 2012-10-28 19:23
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
It may be possible on Surface Pro, but not on RT - it is completely locked, like the WP devices.

Dave999 2012-10-28 20:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I know about the boot loader and secure boot for pro even though i'm not sure how to disable it in real life. But this is not only the boot. Its also a question about what jolla mean when they say sailfish is a full distro. what will be included when it comes to different devices. desktops and screen sizes/types.

erendorn 2012-10-28 21:26
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1286813)
I know about the boot loader and secure boot for pro even though i'm not sure how to disable it in real life. But this is not only the boot. Its also a question about what jolla mean when they say sailfish is a full distro. what will be included when it comes to different devices. desktops and screen sizes/types.
well, you still need to provide hardware adaptation. They are not going to provide drivers for all the Arm SoCs on earth.
The portability accross x86 devices doesn't exist in the ARM world.

Dave999 2012-10-29 08:03
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jolla's just open their Asia office. Anyone know the location? Is it HK. Same as sailfish cooperation...

Dave999 2012-10-29 13:57
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I'm just downloading ubuntustudio to try it out. http://ubuntustudio.org/

The plan is to one week from now present a:rolleyes: inofficiell jolla Commercial.(if anyone else is in for the race :D)

It's a fun competition and also intressting to try strange Linux dist.

Who is with me and/or who is against me?

Help jolla to create the best Commercial never ever...ever made before!

Akkumaru 2012-10-29 14:08
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287095)
I'm just downloading ubuntustudio to try it out. http://ubuntustudio.org/

The plan is to one week from now present a:rolleyes: inofficiell jolla Commercial.(if anyone else is in for the race :D)

It's a fun competition and also intressting to try strange Linux dist.

Who is with me and/or who is against me?

Help jolla to create the best Commercial never ever...ever made before!
You don't necessarily need ubuntu studio. Ubuntu can do what ubuntu studio has.

Dave999 2012-10-29 14:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1287100)
You don't necessarily need ubuntu studio. Ubuntu can do what ubuntu studio has.
True, anyone with ubuntu, windows or OSX. Joing the game!

Does that mean you are agianst me?

Akkumaru 2012-10-29 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287105)
True, anyone with ubuntu, windows or OSX. Joing the game!

Does that mean you are agianst me?
Nope! I am with you with the commercial project. We just need ideas.

marxian 2012-10-29 15:17
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Story of the first Jolla phone:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/703...jollaphone.jpg

jalyst 2012-10-29 16:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Ehehehe, cheeky bugger, I wanna have a beer with Marxian one day, I reckon hilarity would ensue...
But it wouldn't be the same without Dave999 there, he'd be the one to take the blame if any trouble sparked-up & we needed a diversion :D

jalyst 2012-10-29 16:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Sorry for the totally OT post, but anyone considering a MS Surface or one of the other Windows RT/Pro devices?
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-...help-me-choose
Personally I think I'll hold-off until the Windows 8 Pro devices are available...

thedead1440 2012-10-29 17:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1287204)
Sorry for the totally OT post, but anyone considering a MS Surface or one of the other Windows RT/Pro devices?
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-...help-me-choose
Personally I think I'll hold-off until the Windows 8 Pro devices are available...
Its Pro or no go... :p

Dave999 2012-10-29 17:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I'm going Pro!

thedead1440 2012-10-29 17:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287210)
I'm going Pro!
Yes Mr. Pro we know your opinion from your sig :D...

Can we have a permanent sculpture dedicated to Dave which says "I'm the Pro" instead?

You know it would save the hassle of convincing everyone you are the pro :p


On second thought we could have one for all those "esteemed" participants in the most important competition of the year based on their rankings?

Fuzzillogic 2012-10-29 18:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1287204)
Sorry for the totally OT post, but anyone considering a MS Surface or one of the other Windows RT/Pro devices?
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-...help-me-choose
Personally I think I'll hold-off until the Windows 8 Pro devices are available...
Not even if I get one for free. Those ultra-closed platforms are becoming a trend. Yes I know, you can disable secure boot on Pro, but that's just not enough. The OS itself also becomes more and more closed. And only just recently Microsoft decided the (basic) dev-tools should be free not only for the Metro-style apps, as was their plan before.

People might not realize it, but this will affect every user eventually. Every app and change must be sanctioned by Microsoft, which means there will be stuff that will not make it. Yeah, obvious malware will be blocked, but also benevolent apps which alter the behavior of the OS in a very useful way.

Also, I reckon there will be less free apps, as the "pro"-versions of the dev-tools (which are needed if you get beyond the basics) are expensive.

Posted from closed source Opera running on Windows 7, for which I paid - I'm no opponent of closed, commercial software, but I am on closed systems and protocols.

MINKIN2 2012-10-29 18:40
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I certainly won't be getting anything with the windows 8 logo after using the preview edition. As long as my Touchpad and Win7/Ubuntu Laptop still hold out, I won't need to upgrade for sometime and my next desktop will be another home build.

On topic, has there been any further news on Jolla's new Asian offices at all? Would be nice if they had some sort of Grand Opening Ceremony and a few pics.

mikecomputing 2012-10-29 18:43
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Thank you all for killing this thread with stuff about nothing related to Jolla :confused: :mad:

daperl 2012-10-29 18:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Instead of Windows 8 it should be called:

Windows L8

or maybe:

Windows 2L8


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