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I liked N900 too. It is just too slow, only one exchange mail capacity, no provisioning, and it slows down pretty quickly. Great social integrarion. It was the best that NOKIA produced, but still not good enough. They should have had a successor in 2010. Pre-ELOP Nokia f*kd it up.

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"Everybody knows".....hahahahhaha....yea...you and Craper is everybody.

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"Everybody knows".....hahahahhaha....yea...you and Craper is everybody.

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lameiaman fail #2242929580293502

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NOKIA...back to $4.00 and rising!!!!

YAY, the revolution is coming.............I am laughing writing this out.

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$4.02 and rising like bread......

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No, the board made the mistake of picking Elop, they couldn't foresee Elop would make the stupidest mistakes that every student in business school would avoid.

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You are a reality denier.

It is raising because all stocks are raising. The value is still barely a smidge of what it was before.

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And they are falling when all stocks falling.....just finishing your fan boyish statement.

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You don't understand that every decision he made was approved by the board. You must have flunked your business school.

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Say what?

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SELL! SELL! SELL!

Nokia Corporation (ADR) (NOK) Is A “Value Trap”: Deutsche Bank

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One man's analyst negative outlook, is another man's opportunity to buy below true value. NOKIA is pumping them phones. Go Noki!

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Dude, Nokia may be "pumping them phones" but almost nobody is buying them. I keep reading your posts, and every time I wonder what are you smoking. The bottom line is Nokia is done unless they change direction, and as long as Elop is in control that's not happening.

There may be hope, as bookies have him as a favourite to replace Balmer at Microsoft.

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You are dumber than a bag of hammers. There's a reason he is the executive officer, the board leaves most decisions to him, only a tiny bit of them have to be run through the board.

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you are so dumb, your mama wished she dropped you off someones doorsteps. he would be without a job if he didnt get board's approval for his actions. not only that, its his legal shield, by having the board sign off new directions and initiatives. and the last time i checked, its an almost all Finnish board. if you should blame anyone, blame the board.

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now that is an interesting thought. Elop at MS. For that to happen, he will want NOKIA to continue making phones for WP8 platform. How will he accomplish that?

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the tags on this topic are hilarious.

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Tasty!

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Jolla stock 2014:

UP UP UP

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This is something worth thinking about, I agree :)

When Elop joined Nokia there was a freeze on his shares beforehand, maybe this could be an early indicator if he does get the job? (if the details are published somewhere?)

I would also be interested to know the details of the MS/Nokia partnership too... It will never happen I know, but if there has been a clause where Nokia should remain with WP as a primary OS for a certain time frame, then he would not need to worry about how long nokia remain selling WP for?

As with most people, I would be happy to see Flop back in his Redmond cage where he belongs. And hey, who would not see the benefit of moving from one company that has 3percent of its market share to the company that has the dominance of Microsoft (with the pay check) and be able to nip home at the weekends?

There have been attempts at throwings the old anti-trust flannel at elops stance with nokia too (IIRC) but these deminished quickly. Kinda makes you think that the MS/Nokia partnership is Helium tight :)

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Wakeup! Ofcourse they will continue with WP if Elop leaves Nokia. It will not change! I would not be suprised if Nokia soon is sold to M$ too if Elop goes too Nokia. I actually start beleive that WAS the masterplan already 2011 :mad:

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It will be interesting to see what shakes up. I highly doubt Elop will be MS CEO, for various reasons including need to have Nokia continue to manufacture WP8 handsets.

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Seriously? After a messy history and hot on the heels of his Kin failure, they couldn't foresee that? Maybe they were too stupid to see that. I've also repeatedly pointed out over his tenure that I started to suspect he might in fact be clinically stupid, might be unfit for CEO duties and should seek some professional help. It would appear that the symptoms have proven themselves out. I can't see how they couldn't see it when I was already calling it so long ago just on the face of his own statements and his performance.

I can still remember when the reply to my warnings about his failure were something along the lines of, 'They have plenty of cash to live on while they make the change of direction and switch to Windows Phone.' I seem to recall being told to give it a year... then it was two years.. and... we're still waiting. It looks like maybe they have another year to turn things around while Nero plays the fiddle and the burning platform kills everyone all around him. They've already lost so many customers, employees, assets... This failure is so complete and such a direct failure that I feel as if it was absolutely intentional. Just a gut feeling--but man, it really seems like it. All those jokes about Elop being a mole feel VERY tangible right now.

Gates, Balmer and Elop are all on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the boat explodes into flames and sinks! Who survives? A: Nokia, finally.

Not to mention that it would be interesting to see what the regulatory investigators think about the idea of an ex-Microsoft employee becoming CEO of Nokia, COMPLETELY switching the company to the products from his previous employer... ruining them at the benefit of Microsoft at Nokia's expenses... then come back to get hired by Microsoft as their new CEO after Balmer. Those would be interesting discussions to hear--I almost WANT to see Elop be the new CEO. It would both provide more fodder for this mess as well as continue to help Linux's rapid rise in popularity.

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@Danramos

Its interesting to note that Finland doesn't yet have something akin to Class Action Suit, I understand this is currently under discussion/proposal.

I believe it is important to ensure that any incorrect statements wherever they are found are sufficiently countered with facts so that they may not be used in the future in any potential case.

Lumiaman constantly tries to restate history and is constantly trying to steer blame away from Elop as if trying to set out a record that no one else recognises.

Now, I'm not saying that this is what is happening here but the position is remarkably similar to actions taken by Darl in SCO v IBM, Darl used information previously stated in forums and tried referring to it later to support their position. In all cases the information presented when analysed proved to be heresay and falsehoods.

Exactly the type of activity we have seen from Lumiaman.

Now this may be the ultimate in paranoia but then the same could have been said before the SCO v IBM case when, for example, no one noticed at the time a slightly adjusted version of the Unix/Linux timeline charts had been posted which later made the press when published by SCO and used by them to try to support a completely false view of the pedigree of various components.

I would hate to think that any falsehoods presented here by Lumiaman might remotely be used to help Elop should Nokia shareholders ever take them to task.

rgds

ps. I can't help but think how great the N900 would have looked today if Nokia had not been blindsided by Elop and Microsoft into 3 years of deadend products.

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From NOKIA's accounts 2010:
"On February 11, 2011 Nokia announced Nokia’s new strategy, including changes to Nokia’s Leadership Team and operational structure. Effective from that day, the Nokia Leadership Team replaced the Group Executive Board and consists of the following members: Stephen Elop (chairman), Esko Aho, Juha Äkräs, Jerri DeVard, Colin Giles, Rich Green, Jo Harlow, Timo Ihamuotila, Mary McDowell, Kai Öistämö, Tero Ojanperä (in acting capacity), Louise Pentland and Niklas Savander."

Rich Green and Mary McDowell have jumped ship from this team, probably because of Elop's disastrous decision to kill Meltemi and leave NOKIA's feature phones stranded in the past with Series 40 and J2ME where they will inevitably be devoured by budget Androids. I would imagine they got a pay off and an NDA.


If Elop takes the Microsoft post he might have a few spondoolicks to pay back to NOKIA (I don't know what is considered an 'early termination'):
"As compensation for lost income from his prior employer, which resulted due to his move to Nokia, Mr. Elop received a one-time payment of EUR 2 292 702 in October 2010 and is entitled to a second payment of USD 3 000 000 in October 2011. In addition, relating to his move to Nokia, Mr. Elop received a one-time payment of EUR 509 744 to reimburse him for fees he was obligated to repay his former employer. He also received income of EUR 312 203, including tax assistance, resulting from legal expenses paid by Nokia associated with his move to Nokia. In case of early termination of employment, Mr. Elop is obliged to return to Nokia all or part of these payments related to his move to Nokia."


This bit's almost funny:
"In consideration, Mr. Elop will be provided the opportunity to earn a number of Nokia shares at the end of 2012 based on two independent criteria, half of the opportunity tied to each criterion:

1) Total Shareholder Return (TSR), relative to a peer group of companies over the 2 year period from December 31, 2010 until December 31, 2012: Minimum payout will require performance at the 50th percentile of the peer group and the maximum payout will occur if the rank is among the top three of the peer group. The peer group consists of a number of relevant companies in the high technology/mobility, telecommunications and Internet services industries,

2) Nokia’s absolute share price at the end of 2012: Minimum payout if the Nokia share price is EUR 9, with maximum payout if the Nokia share price is EUR 17."

Elop's a total and utter failure even by his own moderate targets. And Lumiaman's puffing himself up over $4 (approx EUR 3) :D
I'd like to know who that peer group of companies is in criterion 1.

Oh, and just for the record, Lumiaman:
NOKIA's volume of 'converged mobile devices' shipped in 2010 was 100.3 million which was up 48% on 2009. That was a 17% increase in monetary terms. The reduced ASP was probably because most of the growth was in China and Latin America where budget devices sell better.

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Which history? You mean the one where the board wanted change and brought outsider to size up the mess and make a decision of future direction? Or the one that the all Finnish board members continue to support the current direction? or the one that above diarrheaa that you uttered is the biggest non factual paragraph in this thread. do you know that there are meds to treat paranoia? Just check in with specialists called psychiatrists

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There are CEOs that have made much more for accomplishing far less. He had to restructure the whole company. That requires much work as compared to tweaking what is already good. One could make argument that he was underpaid for the amount of work and wrath that he incurred cleaning up a stale and stinky mess at Nokia.

hahahhaahh.....Tomi Ahonen, well and alive here....

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Nokia bought by Microsoft. Done, deal.

Started a new thread right here.

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R.I.P. Nokia...

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This is a sad day for us in finland. Up to 5k people are going to lose jobs.

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Quoting Koushik Dutta on Google+:
Step 1) Send Microsoft sleeper agent, Stephen Elop, into Nokia
Step 2) Drive Nokia into the ground by going all in on Windows Phone
Step 3) Buy Nokia at discount

I think a LOT of people saw this coming the moment Nokia hired on a Microsoft moleman.

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Finally the dead rat is pulled from behind the curtain.

On the plus side I doubt we will need to listen to Lumiaman's drivel any longer about how share price will reach $10 and all the rest of his bull while he drools over his precious.

What a waste, my thoughts to all the employees and families that have and will suffer at the hands of Elop.

Rgds

ps. I guess this thread is now superfluous.

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I know a Russian mobile blogger and a Finnish telecom analyst that called this.

I know a bunch of tmo trolls that is standing quite naked and small now.

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Well, the stock symbol itself hasn't been closed out quite yet since things aren't settled and done yet. I guess once that happens, we'll need a new Microsoft stock thread? That should probably be the next one up on the dead pool for bets on when it'll go out of business or get bought out.

Nokia keeps it's patents.
Jolla wins and Lameiaman loses again.

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If Microsoft has majority ownership of Nokia and takes away their CEO... but Nokia keeps the patents and mapping and so on... how does this NOT make it Microsoft's?

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MS just bought the loss-making devices.
What's left, is the healthy NSN.

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Ehhh.. last time I looked, wasn't it the Asha stuff that was actually healthy? Even their patents and mapping weren't exactly money-making hits, or am I wrong? Is there any info on that?

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NOK is up 42% in pre-market and MSFT is down 3%. "Well done, Stevie. Thanks Steve. Can I come home now?"