Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Jolla is seeking debt restructuring from the court. Apparently, they are running out of money. It doesn't look very good now.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Quite the opposite. This step might save Jolla !

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Man keep it sane please. Enron, please.

Read the blog and see if you can find anything regarding this. Just to open the shop and sell devices when you now are in deep **** is ugly.

Gerbick: I´m just trying to help you to get to 10000 posts a bit faster;) Got ya!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...29790518951936

At least Antti Saarnio wants to believe in delivering the tablets despite all. As long he is fighting for it there is chance.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Either all of it comes from the Finnish and Russian governments and Saarnio stays, or he falls on his sword and an entirely new executive team is installed.

What private backer in their right mind would front them more money whilst the ancien régime clings on ... and I mean that about both the remainder of Jolla's executive team and the arrogant, impotent, directionless, laissez-faire management culture that spawned them at Nokia

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

yeah, I can fly to jolla hq in finland an work a weekend for free to help users get their tablets. Just say the word. I also want to ask him how he could hide the truth in such a cowardly way!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Debt restructuring is not the end if they have credible plan to go forward. It is either to buy time, write down some of the debt or both but I have seen it happen before in very different industry. Looks quite much like NEVS...

written on 20th October for release on 20th November - unlike?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Is there any significance in waiting for one full year from the campaign starting (and the majority of contributors) to pass prior to announcing this?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

That is a good question indeed!

this was posted 9 days ago:

"Hello all Jolla Tablet followers,

We’ve again received many questions about the Jolla Tablet and its schedule, and now it is time for a new update.

Previously we communicated that we started the Jolla Tablet shipping in October with a relatively small first batch. Many people have since received their tablets, and we’ve been happy to see several tweets and unboxing videos, commemorating this.

In the previous communication we stated that wave 2 shipments will occur at the beginning of November. Unfortunately, we have not been able to keep this timeline for wave 2. This can be attributed to various factors and simply the fact that we are still a start-up. We are pushing to start wave 2 shipments a couple of weeks late, i.e., by the end of November.

The wave 3 schedule will be communicated as soon as we have more details. There are a few unclear items related to this, and we do not want to provide you with incomplete information. At that time, we will also provide more info regarding refund option (that was communicated in early Oct. 2015). Please stay tuned.

We understand all too well that this is a big disappointment for many of you, and we sincerely apologize for this turn of events. "

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

In Slush Antti Saarnio himself pointed on me and promised to me that I will get my tablet. So I believe we will get our tablets. :)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I think you should maybe read most of the replies...

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Unfortunately, it is very unlikely there will be any more tablets. Even if Jolla manages to get new financing and reduce current debt, the new financing must be directed to something that would be able to generate additional revenue, i.e Sailfish OS, not the tablet that is basically dead end. And getting more financing even for Sailfish OS is unlikely, as there is no credible ecosystem.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

You can't possibly believe what you just said ... read it again ... or are you being ironic?

If you are serious, I have a bridge to sell you and Antti has a Sailfish Alliance to sell you, too.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Utter rubbish. I really wonder if some of you people actually want Jolla to say you won't get your tablets just so you can moan more.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I already did before posting. Those don't change what I wrote. We don't know how this will end, for sure. There is still small chance.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

They put up another tranche of (non-existent) pre-order tablets when they likely already knew that they couldn't fulfil even a fraction of the IGG backer rewards this year, and maybe never fulfil others / have it commercially available.

That seems like a rather questionable thing to do. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

They're about to lay off a large portion of their workforce (by their own admission), which they then hope to re-hire post restructuring. Assuming they do restructure their debt and receive more VC money and grants from the government, do you think all of those staff will have happily sat in limbo for several months? Some might. Others will flee and look for employment elsewhere. Even best case, Jolla face huge problems, and beyond an act of charity I don't see how or why Intex would continue to develop a Sailfish device.

If they make it to MWC as a going concern, rather than in administration, it'll be a surprise.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

More rubbish. You're assuming they've known that this financing round would be delayed since before the summer. Based on the tablet delay pattern, I think the best guess would be that this started after the first round were invited to pay their taxes, before the second batch got delayed. For all you know it's still coming, waiting for the right deal.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Why would anyone invest in Jolla and to make it even more stupid. Why would anyone invest in Jolla so they can ship tablet with no ROI? Call Nokia, give up some of the OS and go on...

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

They may not have known the details but believe me, they have known that they were in dire straights for a long time. Definitely at least 6 months. That explains all the delays: the tablet, all the support issues, the disappearence of official Jolla answers on TJC... The signs have been there in clear view for a long time.

Some of us saw it coming for almost a year. Not everyone wanted to hear.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I think it is no surprise that Jolla needs money from investors to survive.

So you saw year ago that Jolla's third financing round this year would not go as planned?

And if the situation was year ago so bad it is a miracle that Jolla has been able to survive this past year. Well they have said that they have had close calls in financing many times but they have managed to survive.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

They opened another tranche of pre-orders towards the end of the summer, not before. Also, of course they knew. The whole point of the separation of the company into two businesses, as I said at the time, was to deal with debt and losses incurred on various deals and the disastrously still extant inventory of Jolla Phones.

P.S. Per my other prediction, if they are to come out of this (even temporarily), I still think they have to wind up the hardware division completely.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

This comes to mind

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Tell that to their investors ..

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Of course not, don't be obtuse. I interpretted the signs at the time and I was watching them ever since. The signs never disappeared. Of course I did not know the exact date when the straw would finally snap but as you say...

Amen!

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Welcome to the world of startups, all of you. They're always just about to go under. As mentioned in the press release, they've been in dire trouble several times since they started. Startups always are. The only thing that keeps them going is the belief that they are eventually going to succeed. Hopefully that belief is still alive and will get them through this, because you lot certainly won't.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Im an investor. ...

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Why not? I think the problem is that the investors poured in too little. Being more generous would have paid off better. Probably with someone else at the helm though, I give you that.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

The worst mistake is to let other people suffer from your mistakes.

This works both ways...between backers and jolla!

Jolla should OC have cut some development to secure resources to ship tablet.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Well. Give it a show. I might even back it ;)

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

It has been like that since from the beginning, I remember them saying it even last year that they have to make great effort to secure more and more funding from investors to keep things rolling as they are not yet profitable and on sustainable ground. What can they do, except to try to push forward with what they have and hope that it's enough to convince investors to pour in more money? This is nothing especially surprising, capital intensive startup without backing of big corporation is creating, as Jolla themselves have described it, an impossible story. However, I find it bit confusing why investors would pull the plug in the moment when first device from licensee is just about to enter the market.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

What I'm start to think is that the money from the crowdfunding went to something else rather than the tablet development.

Btw. Cop. Are you happy with the thread title or do you want to change it?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

I really don't think any amount of money would have made a difference, with who was in charge. It just would have increased the scale of the failure. It's not like they didn't have opportunities ... Opera were on board initially, they had an MOU with HW. The partnership with STE was monumentally foolish, given that everyone knew there was going to be a schism between the two partners, and one or both parties would exit the SoC business. Announcing the big (completely non-existent) Sailfish Alliance and funding for it before there was anything in place. From the beginning they made some horrible decisions and eroded their credibility. Intially there was a lot of goodwill, both from the industry and community, but their decisions and how far behind the OS were put paid to most if not all of that. The tablet on an Intel platform was never going to lead them anywhere either, even if much of it was hugely subsidised by Intel.

It's surprising that Saarnio is still there ... either that he wants to be or is allowed to be. Making pathetic pleas on Twitter (which have rightfully not been well received) just incurs further damage to both the company and his reputation.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Why not ask instead of speculating? I mean, there's a lot of things that have happened since the crowdsourcing effort. Scaling up the OS to a tablet, updating Sailfish, updating the SDK and tools, other bits (software, apps for instance) and those things take time and money...

I've never launched hardware, only software, and it takes a lot of manpower and hours to get done. Ignoring that because you keep parroting the word "tablet" ad infinitum is ignoring far too much.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Hmm. Things are really in such flux right now, I'm not entirely certain what a good thread title would be. :)

The discussion is ranging all over the place now, and it kind of has to, as the future of the tablet is kind of tied to the future of Jolla itself...

Actually, something simple like "The Future of Jolla's Tablet" would probably cover most of what we are talking about right now, I think. And probably serve to bring in all the contributors who wish to talk about that subject. (If you want to continue going with my own title preferences, anyway... :) )

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Yep, like you reaching the 10.000 milstone. Congrats and admit you couldn't have done it without me.

Basically this the tablet threads so that's why I'm drumming out the word as often as possible.

What I don't understand is what jolla management prioritized over the tablet? And what they gout out of it...are the tablet parts even bought?

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

Well, yeah, I'm guessing that they ran out of money (after the most recent round of funding dried up), and therefore they haven't (yet) bought the parts. That would perfectly explain the last few (unexplained) rounds of delays, as well as why Jolla was so reticent to say anything about them (unlike how they were providing fairly detailed blog entries earlier in the year).

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

and do you think shipping and logistic is something that is done for free? :eek:

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

We funded the tablet with 480% one could think that is enough. But apperently not. Strange . Maybe jolla should have set a more realistic limit.

Re: Discussion over the Design, Features, and Rollout of Jolla's new Tablet, Assuming that it isn't a Figment of our Collective Imagination
 

We funded an Indiegogo project at 480%. Yes, that wasn't enough to actually fund the tablet (other than perhaps the hardware components). The hardware and software design I am sure cost far, far more than the campaign brought in...