Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Have you tried Dolphin and Safari. Pretty great. Too bad you have to walk around with an extra phone when using sailfish.

It simply not up to my standards an if you are happy. Go, but it won’t work as well for the things I do. So I guess I will and up with a iSheep X. I guess companies prioritize safari when building stuff and no one cares for Sail when testing.

I might get over it some day but for now Im totally disappointed of the usability of the browsers.

Anyhow. Xperia X out as main phone.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Many thanks.

About the Jolla guide reading the first phrase I conclude it is not complete enough.


Ok, then why not devote a few keystrokes on explaining how to verify if a bootloader on a given F5121 is actually unlockable?

Suppose I go out and see a yellow and a black F5122 in front of me. Both, 99% new, still warranty, Sir...

How to avoid picking the one with the ununlockable bootloader?

I suppose a seller won't always know or won't always be honnest about it.


With lots of sympathy for the people who put alternative browsers out for Sailfish, but being a browser user much more than app user, I think that the only way to run on an up to date browser on Sailfish enjoying all privacy options, blockers and spoils such as save pages as PDF or Dark Background on light text add-on to save your eyesight is by allowing Alien Dalvik and run Firefox for Android.

Firefox was ported to the N900 in a few weeks and ran horrible but I can't say that I get more exited by the prospect of using the Jolla browser.
If the RAM available in Sailfish X' Alien Dalvik gets proportionally enlarged compared to Jolla 1 than Sailfish X should reserve 1/2 of 3GB =1,5 GB to Dalvik?

Edit: adding link https://together.jolla.com/question/...rrent-browser/

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Open the phone app and dial *#*#7378423#*#* then go to Service Info -> Configuration

'Bootloader unlock allowed - yes' means you can unlock it. No means you can't, so don't buy

'Bootloader unlocked - yes' means someone's already had some fun with the phone so you can buy it, but best to wipe everything so you know what's on there unless you know and trust the seller

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

A bit more testing with F5122m Dual SIM + µSD:

Pinout and 4 test cases
1 case: All pins except 4 (V+) and 6 (GND) taped:
-Both SIMs detected
2 case: All pins except 2 ( Card Detect), 4 (V+), 5 (CLK) and 6 (GND) taped:
-Both SIMs detected
3 case: All pins except 2 ( Card Detect), 3 (Command response), 4 (V+), 5 (CLK) and 6 (GND) taped:
-Both SIMS detected
4 case: All pins except 2 ( Card Detect), 3 (Command response), 4 (V+), 5 (CLK), 6 (GND) and 7 (DAT0) taped:
-Only 1st SIM detected and SDcard, too (of course with error message)

So, looks for me that it is not hardware thing (I am not an expert in electronics, just an engineer) as the card is detected and 2nd SIM disabled when there is some data connection (DAT0 in this test) to the SDcard.
Is there some part from original Xperia X software, taking care of this, I really don't know.

Maybe someone with more expertise can go further...

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Well, I have to return to Android [emoji853]
I was very happy with Sailfish OS, but I began to have problems with memory space, and begins to go very slow... I didn't receive messages from Whatsapp...
So well... I will return back after more improvement with this OS, anyway, I contributed to support Jolla. Hope they will make more stable soon [emoji847]

Enviado desde mi F5121 mediante Tapatalk

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi,

I have installed Sailfish X 2.1.3.5 official on my F5121 xperia x 32 GB.

I have only 17,9 GB why?

How to fix it?

Thanks

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well unfortunately you have to live with that.

Jolla stayed with the partitioning of the Internal memory, which was made for Android. Unfortunately this doesn't fit to Sailfish. So that's all we get at the moment.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

That's the way it is partitioned :D


You don't.

What you can do, is you can change the ratio between your root and home partitions to your liking but the process is somewhat complicated and it is quite likely that you will botch it unless you know what you are doing.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks again! Will try this later this evening.
Just to be sure, do I need to run
touch /opt/alien/data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk
before chattr?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Originally you created the file com.android.vending-1.apk using that touch command. So I guess you will get error message, if you run that command again, since it is locked by chattr +i command.

So, no need to rerun that.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Touch won't error it will just update the date and time the file was modified to 'now' :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

This process worked for ExplIT upon F5121:https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-156670

More detail from lantern for use on F5122 here:http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1580

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Is it so in the asa's case, as he has already used chattr +i to "lock" the file?

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One thing I forgot to mention which happened to me and might be affecting other people too when flashing the XperiaX device;

There was no way I could make the device start in fastboot mode, nope, whether holding volume-UP or volume-DOWN or whichever combination of any of the buttons whatever!
I got the device to start up with the green LED light up but it was not recognized by fastboot!

What I could do, however was to boot it up normally, and then do "adb reboot-bootloader" which puts it correctly into fasboot mode.

Go figure.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

In the Sony Xperia X the advertised "32 Gb" are actually 29.1 Gb (31.2 billion bytes). And they have the usual baroque Android partitioning scheme (52 partitions, ouch!)

Thus we have:
- 20.7 Gb user partition (root+home, managed by lvm mapper)
- 7.3 Gb factory reset image
- ~1.1 Gb of supplementary partitions that must survive reformatting or even the factory reset (odm Sony drivers, FCC compliance HTML files, bluetooth associations, Android crash monitor, etc: sounds like everytime an Android system developer had some idea, he added a new partition for it).

So we have about 2.5 Gb for sailfish-root and the remaining 18.3 Gb for sailfish-home, as of the "sailfish" volume group of the lvm (logical volume manager).

In the last Mer/Sailfish meeting a few days ago they discussed the issue (see point 5) but maybe they'll have to strictly stick with Android partitioning because they're not authorized to do anything flashy.

I see the 7.3 Gb "factory reset" partition only contains ~600 megabytes (in the meeting they say "1.5Gb actually used by SailfishX", but AFAIK that's the uncompressed size; also, you could save 100 megabytes if you don't include the Sailfish_OS_2.0.mp4 file).

I guess we can reclaim about 6.6 Gb of those 7.3 Gb.

For example:
- backup factory reset partition data (~600 Mb ext4) into home
- fdisk: erase factory reset partition /dev/mmcblk0p52 (releasing those 7.3 Gb)
- fdisk: enlarge user partition (mmcblk0p51) from 20.7 Gb to 27.3 Gb (+6.6Gb), for example startsector=2334720 (same as before, doublecheck it) and endsector=59629567
- fdisk: create again /dev/mmcblk0p52 on the remaining ~700 Mb, for example startsector=59629568, endsector=61063167 (same as before)
- format the 700 Mb to ext4 and then restore its contents (SailfishX *img.gz images etc)
- restart the phone in recovery mode
- you now have 27.3 Gb (instead of 20.7) in mmcblk0p51 available to lvm, and the already filled 0.7 Gb in mmcblk0p52
- if the "vgdisplay" command does not show any Free PE blocks, then maybe you should "vgextend sailfish /dev/mmcblk0p51"
- now you should be able to manage the root/home volumes with lvm as suggested by seiichiro but enjoying the 27+Gb.

Even if the Sailfish "factory reset" required 1.5Gb instead of 0.6Gb, it would still be a +5.6Gb gain over the default partitioning scheme.

Disclaimer: I did not try to do it. Also, I'm no expert and I don't take responsibility. There's a chance some residual Android turd lying around could expect the partitioning scheme to not to change (maybe in the boot phase or even in the kernel): you may brick your Xperia soon after having rendered useless the Recovery Mode and the Factory Reset...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Before even considering repartitioning it's worth reading the actual log [1] to become aware of the implications of deleting the wrong partition
eg Then IF you still feel it's worth the effort, you'll know why you need to double and triple check (if not more) the commands before you execute.


[1] http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-m...log.html#l-175

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

If only Android itself used LVM - it could just have one big volume group with whatever crazy logical volumes in it and we would not have these issues. LV order doesn't really matter, so you can easily remove LVs you don't need and create new ones using the recovered space.

There is really no good excuse for them as LVM has been there for ages and has basically been made to handle stuff like this in a much more robust way.

And this all is just using "normal" LVs - using a thin pool with thin LVs can be even more efficient & powerful.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I would like to thank all of you who post useful information in this huge thread and also the sailfishmods.de website for the great guides to install sailfish on the Xperia X and in my case the F5122 version.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I stand corrected, that's an error alright. Will have to read up on chatter, was not expecting -i to mean lock...

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

First use of bluetooth in the car and it worked for call and audio of the included video.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I have whatsapp, facebook messenger, skype and linphone running on my SailfishX and i did not notice any slowing down. I've yet to experience any serious problem with my dailly use. Polar sync does not work but that is no problem because can sync it when i charge.

Also use other apps like engadged and foreca weather from android without problems.

I do use 4g all the time, what network do you use? I noticed some problems with wifi and android.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

This works! I now have 7.3.25.K.

After the update I "locked" it again with
Now it can't update itself, right?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Correct :)

It's technically immutable which is why it's an i, in case you're interested.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Bluetooth works for the first call but then it does not work anymore, just no sound. Hope they get that fixed in the near future but I guess this is not on the top of the priority list.

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"Official" workaround to enable WLAN hotspot at XperiaX:
https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a...g-WLAN-hotspot

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

From together Jolla
I just wonder if RC4 will be a OTA update or will we need to flash it

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well normally you can't expect people to flash the phones they just configured to fit their needs.
IIRC you could update in the community versions, so OTA should be possible.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

In fact, its even the opposite :
the current RC already has an official YUM repository with RPM packages.

It's just that you have a chicken and eggs problem :
Before having Sailfish X on your Xperia X, you don't have pkcon (or zypper, depending on your preferences) to install the RPMs to actually install Xperia X.
(And same goes for the other tools like lvm which are necessary to create the partition-scheme used by Sailfish X).

So it's much simpler to straight flash a ready-to-use image the first time and only use the YUM RPM repositories for upgrades or getting software that isn't installed by default.

(Rather than going through the manual route, which will probably require telneting into hybris-recovery.img image, copying extra stuff over netcat, manually partitionning, manually build initial RPM database, setting up reverse tether and install all the RPMs one-by-one).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

That's why in the non-embedded world we have installers. :)

An installer is usually a fairly minimal image you will boot on the hardware that runs an installer software that sets up your storage and installs the system - generally either from local repositories on the media or from repositories available over the network.

This has a range of benefits, such as being able to setup storage and other aspects of the installed systems to your liking & to best fit the given device.

Also you don't need to maintain a specific installation image for each piece of hardware, just single installer image for a wide range of hardware. For example there is just a single Fedora Workstation installation image for all 64-bit x86 computers, including Macs.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

You can use Dolphin or Opera APKs also on Sailfish. Are those not up to your standards? You spend enough time here that I am sure you should have been prepared for the shortcomings of SFOS, and known that some adjustments would have to be made. Why do you seem surprised? I am finding my own short-comings (copy and paste, MMS on U.S. T-mobile, bare-bones email client), but so far am warming to it. I am giving and much, much more time.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Actually, not exactly with OpenSUSE's since some recent versions of YaST (and since very recently Windows' installer too).

For openSUSE their automatic building system (OBS for the RPMs themselves, and Kiwi for the images out of those RPMs) can automatically build a bunch of pre-installed image.

To speed things up, once you've selected all the installation options, instead of installing every single RPM one by one YaST will check whether it might have a ready to use image which contain most of the base stuff, and then only install one-by-one the extra RPMs not covered by the base image.


(Since very recently, Microsoft Windows' installer also attempts the same. Except they have only 1 single WIM image, and you don't get to select anything, so you can further automatically customize the base image, you need to use the control pannel to remove/add component. So: ...meh...)

(Some Ubuntu specialist should come and coment whether they are also implementing something similar).

Since the development of BTRFS, its "seed partition" feature should make it extremely trivial to on-the-flight deploy such an image to the installation target while the system is hot.

But since RedHat dropped BTRFS, Suse is propbably the only ones likely to attempt this.



I'm just mentally picturing a full blown GParted-style / Yast storage / and "whatever it was called in Anaconda" storage manager running inside the tiny screen of a 4.5"-5" smartphone.

:-D


Sadly, that's a stupid limitation of ARM : most devices don't feature any automatic peripheral discovery.
You need to hardcode the device tree inside the device-specific kernel.

But it would be cool to imagine a USB-OTG Sailfish installation bootdisk.

Or an installer that you launch on the phone over the USB by using "fastboot boot installer.img" (i.e.: an actual touch GUI bolted on top of the recovery image).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

There we go their making a good progress :)
https://i.imgur.com/nwKRFbW.png

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I've got a solution for your MMS on U.S. T-mobile if you're still fighting that. I'm in Chicago, official Sailfish X, MMS works flawlessly. Let me know if you need more details.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Does group SMS/MMS work for you also?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I'd love to know what works for you. SMS works fine, but MMS just hangs.

Another question: is it SFOS or the Xperia that requires a reboot if you remove the sim while booted up? Also: anyone have problems booting while a microSD is in the tray? My Xperia will only give the white SONY screen and do nothing else if the microSD is in the tray. Could it be due to the formatting of the card? Even though it works if I insert after booting (but then the sim won't work, and I can't reboot...).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I still haven't put sailfish on my Xperia so I just tested removing the SIM tray while running android. This caused a reboot so I'm going to say it's the phone not sailfish.

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Actually, at least Anaconda has a pretty powerful auto-partitioning support. You basically tell it a set of constraints, such as:
- create all platform specific boot partitions
- home & root need to be at least this big
- create swap if appropriate
- check if the software selection will likely fit on root
It then creates a partition layout/LVM on empty (or reclaimed) space fitting these constraints. Or detects the constrains can't be met and aborts the installation with corresponding error message.

Like this you make use of all available space & have a storage layout fitting to a concrete device without the need of a user to manually specify partitioning.

Indeed, and that really doesn't scale - imagine if you needed a special & pretty different installation image for each laptop & even it's individual revisions (like for Xperia X single sim/dual sim/compact/etc.)!

Thankfully at least in the 64-bit ARM server space there is the SBSA initiative, which basically mandates that compliant hardware needs to have a working UEFI firmware, which makes it possible to do hardware introspection at runtime, like we have on PCs with BIOS/UEFI. This makes unified installation images possible & you no longer need to bring up low level hardware as the UEQFI firmware will take care of that for you.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Sending/receiving picture mms works reliably. Receiving group mms works too. However, there is no way to send or reply to group mms. Also, many (all?) of us aren't able to send/receive mms while connected to wifi. Do the Europeans here have the same problem?

You can find more details in this discussion

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99925

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks for that. My Blackberry doesn't blink if you remove and replace a sim or microsd while it's running. So I was surprised.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

If it is for your daughter and you have no intention of running Sailfish on it, rather stay away from Xperia. They are mostly junk devices that are over-priced and have potato cameras.