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Kickstarter update
We had a lot of good feedback/q's/tips/hints/suggestions/criticism/ideas from a lot of people. This was very helpful and we are now in the final stages of getting green-light from Kickstarter and are finalizing the page and making sure all info in there.

Development
Development continues of course! The hype around the campaign has drawn a lot of people to FunkyOH, so I finally have some 'dough' to spare for continuing development. Proto-pcb's and shells are not for free ;)

Technical update
The PCB in the Base part (that connects to the phone) will be extended in size to cover the entire area. This brings the following advantages:
- The PCB acts as a backbone for the casing and makes the whole construction a lot stronger
- Cleaner design and lots of area for PCB art
- The PLA casing *can* become soft and bend over time if it gets hot. Bending of the casing *can* result in a loss of connection. Extending the PCB over the entire area eliminates this risk entirely.
- The casing can be slightly thinner (0.2mm!) because all strength now comes from the PCB. For all thickness-weenies: this is the limit. Going any thinner requires thinner magnets, resulting in a shitty connection.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/dou27jrvcn5...ohkbd-1-11.png

Answers to questions

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1445217)

There's a very important difference between "can be changed" and works out of the box.
...
Any word on the software?

TOHKBD will be shipped inside a box and will work after you take it out.

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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1445225)

I am disappointed Jolla are not weighing in with support on this.

Can people please stop saying stuff like this? I am getting lots and lots of help from Jolla on important issues, they answer difficult questions, pitch me ideas, help with marketing and the list goes on and on.
They do as much as they can without hijacking my project.

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Originally Posted by malkavian (Post 1445231)

The DIY pack are all the pieces and you simply have to mount it with a screwdriver and maybe some glue for the magnets? Or it's more complex than that?

Will be some more info on kick-page, but basically it is a pre-soldered pre-programmed TOHKBD without casing, magnets and wood. All files will be provided (all other people will get all files too, no worries!). This is an option for people that want to do customizations themself.

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Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1445250)

Clearly Dirk has established a deal with Lastucase at least, as there was many link promoting Lastucase on that Kickstarter.

Not so much a deal, more a fair price on large batches of wooden panels. They put a lot of work in developing stuff for Jolla too and are very friendly in the conversation. Besides the backplate is the thinnest and cleanest way to cover the bottom pcb, I also prefer to work together with companies that work that way.

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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1445257)

not sure if the chip/connection will be the same, so a new daemon might be needed)

chip will be the same, so lots of stuff can be 'ported', but this daemon (with all extra features and multiple layouts) will we a bit more complex - to extremely understate it.

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Originally Posted by usr (Post 1445270)

Add stilus

http://media.giphy.com/media/yzp4EVsM2wMM0/giphy.gif
http://media.giphy.com/media/5T8tEJtCgvDuo/giphy.gif

Thanks dirkvl for the update!

About the question on Jolla supporting the project:

Quote:

I am disappointed Jolla are not weighing in with support on this.

cybette(@Jolla) also answered to a direct question on TJC about this subject:

Quote:

There are many ways we support community projects, and we are certainly supporting Dirk, Kimmo and Andrew in the TOHKBD campaign, with promotions, SW/technical support and more. So we share your thinking here!

Dirk...Dont forget the beer-perk.

Buy me a beer for my hard work - 5 Euro ;)

Man...your next Leffe should be on me :D

Where is that 2nd countdown?
http://i.imgur.com/3FVlh0X.gif

Next bottom pcb is done and ordered a few.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/rllxoksj94tjwit/eagle2.JPG

Time to solder the proto's i have now!

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Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1445495)

Time to solder the proto's i have now!

Soldered.

Quick test

Will go to Kimmo tomorrow, he will consult the Toran Ra.
http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.c...ran-ra-4x3.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1445359)

Answers to questions

TOHKBD will be shipped inside a box and will work after you take it out.

Interestinggg. You're answering a software question with a statement about the packaging. Or is the box part of the hardware? :confused:

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1445528)

Interestinggg. You're answering a software question with a statement about the packaging. Or is the box part of the hardware? :confused:

Read again:
Question was "Will it work out of the box?"

Now read again dirkvl's answer.
Easier translation: It will work out of the box.

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1445528)

Interestinggg. You're answering a software question with a statement about the packaging. Or is the box part of the hardware? :confused:

for it to work out-of-the-box, by definition it has to have been in a box first.

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Originally Posted by Casanunda (Post 1445561)

Read again:
Question was "Will it work out of the box?"

Now read again dirkvl's answer.
Easier translation: It will work out of the box.

To be fair, the question was exactly,

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1444895)

Dirk, can you confirm:
1.) in current OS version (Uitukka), the vkb can never be completely hidden? Otherwise, why don't you do that?
2.) 3rd party/community can't make the vkb go away completely, only Jolla can? Just saw that that known issue is in Tahkalampi!
May already gone in Uitukka? Anyone using it already? Haven't seen it in the changelog...

Dirk's reply avoids answering the real question by quoting the follow-up post instead.

Please note that I am just playing the devil's advocate here. I do not take sides and no longer care about TOHKBD rev2, but I can understand that different people may have different idea of what constitutes "works out of the box".

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1445563)

Dirk's reply avoids answering the real question by quoting the follow-up post instead.

It is because I do not have a definite answer to that. But, developer proto's are going to jollahq and Kimmo today, so we will see what is possible!

It is very hard for me to do promises about sw, as this is not my expertise (to understate the situation).