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:P

haha, well yes.

But it's just some semi on topic to distract folks while they wait. I mean sailfish is not really on topic of hardware selling with android, on a site dedicated to a 10 yr old linux device. lol.

I'd like to think of it like a trailer before a movie, just some filler.


Hahaha, now that is off topic .. :D

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I never leave my basement so jokes on them!

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We will host an event in New York tomorrow, with some fresh units reflect a few further improvements since the hands-on in Germany. Any Maemian visiting?

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Yupper, I'll be there. Excited to see what has changed. I'll wait for the surprise, but assuming it's software :D.

Someone should bring there n950, since I never got to play with one. I'll be bring something I think is cool and retro.

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I hope someone will make some video which can be put on the internet for us who are unable to take part in it. :)

Even some words in one of the forums about personal thoughts would be welcome anyway. :)

I wish a good time on the event for you.

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Video, pictures and more information are very welcome to all of us!

And @xman - Say Hello to Chen! "Use the Force" ;)

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Happy to do a write up of anything I feel is important, as I'm sure other will as well. I'll be camera shy though ;).

Cabus, the only force needed ... is the will power not to run away with a pro1 ... lol (which I would NEVER do!)

Also looks like someone is bring a other devices.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC0dZKgX4AE6AFo.jpg

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I'll be there for about a half hour, but have a hard stop unfortunately...

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Of course you won't.

*Waves the hand like Obiwan*

You'll run with two.

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Can the video be put out also in a form that can be watched with N900?

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If someone put it somewhere with a direct link, it may be played using mplayer. :)

However, I am afraid today's high resolution videos can not be played directly on N900, I think it should be converted to a lower resolution / bitrate. :)

Maybe 720p still works anyway.

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Sorry, I meant... Tell Chen my greeting "Use the Force"... He'll know ;)

My english is Kugelschreiber...

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Reading through the last few pages this evening, I begin to wonder what is 'the way forward' for SFOS that would be popular with the members here?

- If SFOS becomes an independent commercial success, via the efforts of Rostelecom or Huawei or some other means, then it will gain support from all the other 'closed' so-called services, meaning native twitter, fb, whatsapp etc. I'm not sure how that can happen without bringing along all the associated horrors of tracking, surveillance and constant advertising.

- If it doesn't get significant commercial growth, then it seems it must constantly fall further behind the main market devices, just due to the number of man-hours brought to bear. There are probably more developers working on any one obscure FB feature than on the entire of SFOS.

- Running android apps doesn't seem a long term solution for the same reason. There's a commercial imperative for android to update often and significantly, it drives the sales of new hardware. Keeping some form of VM up to date enough keep the 'common' user happy has the same problem of effort required.

So what is the 'optimum' future for SFOS? Am I just being pessimistic and missing it?

(Don't misunderstand me - I don't ask much from a mobile - a decent dialer, sms and contacts app, a mostly functional browser, and a linux terminal with python and networking and I'm happy. Add in a HWKB and I'm ecstatic :D I'm just wondering where everyone sees this going in the long term?)

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I would add also good camera, MMS, functional browser, PureMaps is already good in SFOS and then i hope functional browser and very good email client and oh, almost forgot... functional browser.

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Yes, a fully functional browser is mandatory. :)
I would also add to the good e-mail client the support of 3rd-party service providers and aliases.

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If I try to say anything about the SFOS camera UI, I will start swearing and not stop. Let's not go there. :)

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- This will surely be a challenge for the community and for jolla. I don't want another iOS or android that lock you in via many closed apps.

I think I would be okay with the UI being closed and maybe just maybe a few special features. But I think if jolla was smart they would make sure to balance new grow with more openness. However with Nemomobile, all those app should be easily ported. And if qt get more love than even better able to run on multiple OS ... kinda of less likely.

- I never thought being able to run android apps was a good investment in building a 3 mobile platform. It's okay for short term, but somehow jolla need to pay/convince/have users lobby for their favorite software/popular ones.

- Sailfish in my opinion is currently the best choice and the coolest looking alternative OS to the big 2. If the grow of KaiOS is any indication, if you find the users the big boy software companies will a come knocking. Like facebook, youtube, Google Assistant, Google Maps., instagram, twitter all add their services to kaiOS.

So there is always hope.

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Hey Folks, is there any thing someone wants me to check for while I'm at the fx pro event? I'll try and answer them all, but no guarantees :P

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I am intersted in call quality on both sides. Maybe you could do a test call?

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There already is a list of questions compiled at the Discord Channel that spawned from the FXforums ;)

Invite with 1 day validity https://discord.gg/6NDUWQ
EDIT, the questions are pinned to the #nyquestions tag subchannel.

Probably we will see some live chat action there with participants.
But, having attended 2 meetings already i need to warn everyone to not expect too much interaction on any channel.
The timeframe is much shorter than in Ddorf and i can guarantee once the attendees get imersed into testing the pro1, time flies in that special dimension.

Was tested in Ddorf and found to have a loud and clear earpiece. Do not remember any problems on the other side of the connection.

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Beyond jealous, I really wish you guys picked a date and time that fit my schedule but I guess it wasn't meant to be :(
For those of us that can't attend, Care to outline the improvements please?

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Yes, please. I second that. If I could spring for a quick trip at short notice to NYC right now, I could preorder a Pro1. :(

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I wonder how hard it would be to compile Firefox Mobile (fennec) for SailfishOS? There was one for Ubuntu Phone, which used a similar software stack to SFOS, though I have no idea where the source code is; my google-fu is weak, apparently.

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Sadly I'm not on discord. Got tired of one platform after another (aim, irc, slack, telegram,discord, reddit, etc) :D. I'm on only irc and slack. though I do understand there is overlap, but also many features that discord has I'm probably missing out on.

So feel free to post them here if you feel inclined to. No worries either way.

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Also for other folks I don't remember all the little changes, so .... will just make my own observations outside specific questions. I'll probably stick to around 10 question if I get any ... :D

Cheers

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This is actually my first discord also. Somehow i got auto-logged in when following an invite? No idea how exactly but my reddit login also works for discord.
Feels a lot like early slack.
Slack i only saw in the beginning until it became paid only and i felt not enough incentive to pay.

Regarding the questions, it is a pain to copy from discords pinned post.
I suggest you ask for discord users Gravewell and leviathan3k.
They will have the those questions compiled.

EDIT:
Netman over at discord made a txt file of the questions, her you go http://matland.be/fxnyquestions.txt

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These will be the following questions I will TRY and answer ... NO promises :D

1. Question: What was changed/improved hardware-wise since the hands-on event in germany? Are there units with final hardware?
How to test: Ask chen definitely.
Notes: If there are retail units, take a few screenshots/photos of the app drawer.

2. Question: Is the green dot on the capslock button actually an LED which lights up when capslock is enabled?
How to test: Play around with the keyboard. Ask Chen about it!

3. Question: Is the shift key 'sticky' by default - and other modifer keys too (ctrl/alt etc)?
How to test: Play around with the keyboard.
Notes: What I mean is if you are typing along press (and release) shift, does it affect the next letter you type.
Assuming yes, does it behave the same way with numbers (shift then 1 gets !)?
And assuming yes, does the Capslock LED (if any) stay lit after you press shift until you push the next key?

4. Question: Will the keyboard backlight be able to be controlled by software? Will there be an option to turn off the backlight when in a brightly lit area?
How to test: Play around with settings. Ask the F(x)tec team.

5. Question: Can I have auto-rotating disabled and be always in portait with keyboard closed and always landscape with keyboard opened?
How to test: Look around in settings and/or ask.

6. Question: What functions to the yellow arrow keys provide? Is there something similar to alt-gr?
How to test: Just ask I guess. If someone is familiar with a language that uses special accents on characters etc, they could change the layout setting and try.

7. Question: Does the escape key translate to back?
How to test: Ask about it. Be creative and think of a way to test.

8. Question: How is autofocus speed?
How to test: When half-pressing camera button, observe how long it takes until focus is locked (the camera app should give feedback).
Report subjective speed or capture it on video.

9. Question: How is the shutter lag?
How to test: Observe the time it takes between pressing shutter button fully down after already focussed, and the actual photo being taken.
Again report subjective speed or capture it on video.

10. Question: I want to see it in some jeans pocket.
Notes: Be free to substitute the jeans for other lower garnments if they aren't available.

11. Question: Does pro1 supports 4k output.
How to test: Probably not possible. Leviathan3k may bring 2k monitor, this is already a good test.

12. Question: Can you compare the speaker quality with other popular phones like the Pixel 3 and iPhones?
How to test: Both video/audio recording and subjective opinion are appreciated.
We are interested in loudness comparison as well as sound quality.

13. Question: How well does the sound from left and right speaker match?
How to test: I've made a test mp3 you can find here: http://matland.be/stereo.mp3 (WARNING On headphones this could be painful!)
Search YouTube for "stereo test" and look for a video that plays the same sound alternatingly left and right.
Alternatively you can be creative and find another test.

14. Question: How is the performance of the touchscreen at the edge?
How to test: Enable "Pointer location" option in Developer options, and swipe over the edge as straight as possible in different locations.
Alternatively install a drawing app. Note down if it behaves well following finger at the edge and/or take screenshots.

15. Will the screen stay open when the phone is held upside down?
Ex: using the phone while on your back in bed [there will be no beds there man, ;) )

Some of the question on the list I believe have already been answers or discussed. Or are android specific which I will leave to someone else.

Cheers

x

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Will the screen stay open when the phone is held upside down?
Ex: using the phone while on your back in bed
My old T-Mobile g2 did not fare so well in this one aspect. Screen would open if you held it upside down and wouldn't stay open at certain angles (bed example)

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gtmaster303, that is sooo random ... lol. But that will be the last thing I check.

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Even if you can't check or forget, no big deal but I think it's useful to know.
I'd also like your thoughts on how the phone feels in the hand (size, weight) vs your current phone. Does it feel bigger or heavier than the dimensions suggest? Or the opposite?

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That's another question :p.

Alright I see you'll on the other side.

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Had to leave early, and I'm sure xman will have more detailed comments. But here are my impressions:

- Chen is a really nice guy. What he and his team have been able to accomplish so far as a small shop is impressive. I am pulling for them to succeed especially because of their graciousness

- I didn't actually play around with the device too much, but the hardware feels like a consumer device and not some hobbyist proto. Compared to my Xperia X, it certainly is bigger but not obnoxiously so. Taller, but not that much wider

- Chen confirmed that screen protectors for the Elephone U Pro will work with the f(X). He did add that the team managed to fix the light leakage issues that plagued the Elephone, so no worries there

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Could you tell me what do you mean about light leakage issues which was existed on Elephone U Pro?

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I have to say Chen and Adrian were extremely nice lovely people! Chen was very patiently as I asked him a seemingly endless amounts of questions, which is amazing when you understand the guy is flying all the time!!! Chen was dripping with passion for the pro1, but also the n950 and n900. He really love this stuff.

I saw so many cool devices. I got to try the gemini, n950, that that crazy one hand keyboard, blackberry passport and my very own zaraus.

They had some yummy food & drinks at a chill outside spot. I didn’t get to talk with everyone … I was too focus on the device and the questions. I even show my cardboard sizer mock-up … lol .. I know. Thatful it was bigger than the pro1.

Overall I really liked the device, it was well built, the flip take practice … since it take more focus ands strength then I would have imagined.



1. Question: What was changed/improved hardware-wise since the hands-on event in germany? Are there units with final hardware?
How to test: Ask chen definitely.
Notes: If there are retail units, take a few screenshots/photos of the app drawer.

= mainly software changes since germany
like the camera has change, but is still being worked on. But was function pretty good for my quick check.

There was a tiny movement with the german, which was fixed by new york. What's interesting is that they need to redo all the testing each time they update the hardware!

The back cover now has a new texture, which will make it less prone to slippng in your hand.


2. Question: Is the green dot on the capslock button actually an LED which lights up when capslock is enabled?
How to test: Play around with the keyboard. Ask Chen about it!

= yes. It works just like a laptop :)


3. Question: Is the shift key 'sticky' by default - and other modifer keys too (ctrl/alt etc)?
How to test: Play around with the keyboard.
Notes: What I mean is if you are typing along press (and release) shift, does it affect the next letter you type.
Assuming yes, does it behave the same way with numbers (shift then 1 gets !)?
And assuming yes, does the Capslock LED (if any) stay lit after you press shift until you push the next key?

= They are working on sticky shift, so it's a work in progress.


4. Question: Will the keyboard backlight be able to be controlled by software? Will there be an option to turn off the backlight when in a brightly lit area?
How to test: Play around with settings. Ask the F(x)tec team.

= Yes. they already have an area in the settings for it.
Additionally on the keyboard each key has its own led. So perhaps in the future a game could have only game play keys lite.


5. Question: Can I have auto-rotating disabled and be always in portait with keyboard closed and always landscape with keyboard opened?
How to test: Look around in settings and/or ask.

= yes there will be a switch in the settings.

https://talk.maemo.org/attachment.ph...7&d=1567225103


6. Question: What functions to the yellow arrow keys provide? Is there something similar to alt-gr?
How to test: Just ask I guess. If someone is familiar with a language that uses special accents on characters etc, they could change the layout setting and try.

= The yellow arrow key will be the same as the alt similar to n900 blue arrow button. The Fx key is mainly for android, but could possible be used in the future as a custom key for 3rd party OSs.


7. Question: Does the escape key translate to back?
How to test: Ask about it. Be creative and think of a way to test.

= esc was made to go back (like a back button for android), but will be change changed back to just plain esc. I suggest to make it a settings and they mention that could be something they add in the future.


8. Question: How is autofocus speed?
How to test: When half-pressing camera button, observe how long it takes until focus is locked (the camera app should give feedback).
Report subjective speed or capture it on video.

= pretty fast. But everything is faster than my n900


9. Question: How is the shutter lag?
How to test: Observe the time it takes between pressing shutter button fully down after already focussed, and the actual photo being taken.
Again report subjective speed or capture it on video.

= They are still working on optiumization of the camera. But it seemed pretty fast.


10. Question: I want to see it in some jeans pocket.
Notes: Be free to substitute the jeans for other lower garnments if they aren't available.

= I put it into my pocket and it felt good my pants were slim fit. I didn't feel like it was too big. Slid into the pocket very smooth. Another person who has used it for a few weeks said it has not been a problem carrying in there jeans. The back actually made it easier than similar size phone with bumps.


11. Question: Does pro1 supports 4k output.
How to test: Probably not possible. Leviathan3k may bring 2k monitor, this is already a good test.

= Nope, But its up to the chip maker and not fx. So probably have to check the spec for chip.


12. Question: Can you compare the speaker quality with other popular phones like the Pixel 3 and iPhones?
How to test: Both video/audio recording and subjective opinion are appreciated.
We are interested in loudness comparison as well as sound quality.

= We tried it again a pixel 3/4, and it was about the same. I would the fX has a bit more on the low side. But they mention that this will be fine tuned. To bring the mid into more focus. Which I would say the pixel had brighter treble. But some where in the middle would be ideal from my noise fill outside listen test.


13. Question: How well does the sound from left and right speaker match?
How to test: I've made a test mp3 you can find here: http://matland.be/stereo.mp3 (WARNING On headphones this could be painful!)
Search YouTube for "stereo test" and look for a video that plays the same sound alternatingly left and right.
Alternatively you can be creative and find another test.

= Didn't get to test the seperation well. But both where working at the same level.


14. Question: How is the performance of the touchscreen at the edge?
How to test: Enable "Pointer location" option in Developer options, and swipe over the edge as straight as possible in different locations.
Alternatively install a drawing app. Note down if it behaves well following finger at the edge and/or take screenshots.

= This worked well. Through a dev testing tool. I was able to see the touch point go all the way to all edges ... well until the guesture took over.


15. Will the screen stay open when the phone is held upside down?
Ex: using the phone while on your back in bed [there will be no beds there man, ;) )

= yes, silly man :)

I'll add more as I remember. Btw, 95% of. these answers & comments were written on the n900 :D.

Cheers

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I liked this most:

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Thanks for the reporting xman, really made me feel like I was there even though I wasn't.
Can you elaborate a little more on the texture? Rubber coating, special paint, dimpled metal? What does it remind you of?

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If I would not be satisfied with N900 and if I would have enough money so that I could buy the phone without it to bankrupt me my main points to focus would be: Ability to use opensource linux Os with call/sms etc phone capabilities and an adjustable functions for the keyboard. Processor speed and ram I would not bother too much cause they will undoubtedly be enough (compared to N900). The same goes for the camera. I will probably wait either to get the phone from a dissappointed buyer (who probably has other focuses in mind when buying) for about 350-400Eur after a half a year or one year or then I'll just wait untill I get miracle money from somewhere. But hoping that Maemo Leste fullfills my needs (updated browser, more secure and updateable opensource software, easily usable maps, availability to use web based services) which are not too big hopes I believe. Change from an iPhone to N900 was a choice to shift focus to something else. But if there are people who have mainly used N900 for years then I understand the frustration they have had. But if one has newer phones already in use for living online life fully and to the extreme - I would not want to put pressure on Chen to fullfill those needs but to concentrate on the ones geeks really need. This opinion is a bit late :)

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To be honest, I am not too familiar with the Elephone. Chen brought up that there were issues with the Elephone screen, and that the team worked hard to rectify said issues in the F(x) implementation. (It is my understanding that the Elephone U Pro and the F(x)tec Pro share the same display, which is why the Elephone U Pro screen protectors are compatible with the F(x).)

Chen would explain it a lot better than I could.

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This is the elephones Problem, photo dug out by netman:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ogs-images.png

And here some Photos from Discord users since not all of you follow there, taken by leviathan3k:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...829_180213.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...829_181928.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...654&height=872

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...829_185909.jpg

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Thanks for the explanation, Mosen.

I'm the guy wearing the backpack (third from left) in the third photo. For what it's worth...

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I figured I'll show my head here too since I keep reading the thread :), and since I am here will xman and klinglerware allow me to cite their messages in a compilation of feedback aggregated from the event? (i'll add the answers from our friends over at discord and post here also)

And about the thread title... I AM ready! :D