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aironeous 2011-05-22 09:43

Re: N9 hits FCC??? Nokia N9 Teaser Video
 
Can switching to Geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance?

Is Elop a trojan?

cut to scene: Elop popping out of a trojan horse with a party hat on and those things you blow on that swirl out and some signs that have meego with a red line through it and symbian with a red line through it and an I love windows tshirt and a bunch of Nokia employees looking at him like WTF?!!
Then Bill gates pops his head out from inside the horse and says see ya buddy and closes the lid and drives off.

LTman 2011-05-22 10:26

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I dont see the reason for all the sceptical-ism and controversy all the fact fall in together nicely and i see the going went like this
nokia made a couple hundred units (rm-680) to release in 2010 found out a major softw. prob like UI/UX issues like zek said so they went back to the blackboard by the time they fixed it the rm-680 wasnt fit for the market hardware wise so they a new device elop says it must be a slate so it appeals to masses and makes cash the new device is the rm-686 that k123 is testing out and to make use of the old rm-680 unit they flash them with the new software and give away to devs and the rm-686 hasnt made it through fcc yet or nokia stuck an apple like deal to keep the fcc quiet

shmerl 2011-05-22 10:31

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Possible, but that's weird. Nothing wrong with making an updated one with hw keyboard. Of course Elop's point is not to promote Linux, but to push everyone into MS's hands. But since they are already releasing a device which is claimed to be N900's successor, they could have some conscience and could make it with keyboard too.

marrat 2011-05-22 10:34

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I came to think about the whole Hardware Keyboard topic... As much as I want a hardware keyboard in this device (and the N9 from the teaser is helluva sexy device to me, already fell in love with it :p ), I thought about the name "Nokia Internet Tablet". 770 and N800 didn't have HWKB either, consumer N9 also won't have it... so we'll get a 4" 720p Tablet/phone hybrid with some real nice software on it...

Guys, after thinking a little about it, and Harmattan is really that awesome as insiders tell us: Forget iPhone & iPad, forget Pre3 & TouchPad, forget BlackBerry & PlayBook... we get it all in one awesome device...

Besides: one question to insiders, hope someone can tell us: Will Harmattan support MS Exchange provisioning? Otherwise I cannot sync work PIM... that was one major problem for me with Maemo 5.

onethreealpha 2011-05-22 10:36

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@ larux
yes I'm aware they've joined the handset working group but they also made it clear around the same time that they had no interest at this stage in developing a handset of their own.
I will happily stand corrected if they do bring some prototypes to the table.
the GW990 looked to have a lot of potential and it was surprising they dropped it at such a late stage last year

NvyUs 2011-05-22 10:43

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I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners

Daneel 2011-05-22 10:57

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

Brock 2011-05-22 11:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1012527)
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners

keep cool ,thats just a discussion of people with different opinions... thats human... have fun with it like i do... someone mentioned this thread is like csi... i say no, this thread is better ;)

@topic hwkb:

lets believe that everyone here who wants to get a dev device, he will get it (nokie should have produce enough of it). and everyone else who wants an ultimate killer phone without a hwkb will wait a little bit more to get it. and will be even more amazed... :D

And everybody here who loved maemo will love meego and wont miss anything at his phone!

*peace*?

igguk1 2011-05-22 11:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1012527)
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners

Dont quit! Every info you have is welcomed from my side and I am sure also from many others that read this thread even though they dont chime in...
Besides you know this is the thread :D

onethreealpha 2011-05-22 11:25

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@marrat

The "leaked" harmattan packages list includes mail for exchange libraries and daemon, so would assume that it will

vivmak 2011-05-22 11:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1012527)
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners

let us know if you find a thread, will follow you.

marrat 2011-05-22 11:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1012555)
@marrat

The "leaked" harmattan packages list includes mail for exchange libraries and daemon, so would assume that it will

N900 also had Mail for Exchange, but it didn't support provisioning (i.e. Remote Wipe, enforcement of PIN policies, etc.) which I need to sync with my corporate Exchange... Therefor with N900 I was always tied to local Ovi Suite/Outlook sync...

Brock 2011-05-22 11:33

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im a little bored so lets make a little sum up what we have so far:

Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: unmentioned
Cam: 12MP (same as N8)
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense

N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: Singlepart AluBody
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense


I will refresh it as soon as i have new informations :)

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-22 11:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1012560)
im a little bored so lets make a little sum up what we have so far:

Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: [Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu]
Cam: 12MP (same as N8)
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense

N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: [One of our resident informers said a "PolyC" body - polycarbonate?]
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 [How many gpu cores does the u8500 have?]
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense

a few corrections/amendments in bold text.

dtergens 2011-05-22 11:49

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Add double flash led for the dev one

and surely (I really hope !) xenon flash if it has 8 mpx for consumer one
like in the concept winner : http://admin.conversations.nokia.com.../NokiaU008.jpg

Brock 2011-05-22 11:56

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Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
Cam: 12MP (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense

N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (quad-core gpu)*
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense

*source:
http://www.arm.com/products/multimed...ali-400-mp.php

suy 2011-05-22 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1012444)
For me it wasn't expected. I won't trust my source at Nokia Germany anymore that fast. Will talk with him/her about that after the conference personally, whats gone wrong. The statement was clearly that there will be dev-devices distributed.

To me it makes some sense given that Quim Gil's talk was not approved. The Nokia device is not MeeGo, is Harmattan, so it doesn't make sense to give this device in a MeeGo conference.

suy 2011-05-22 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ezameht (Post 1012573)
please don't! I appreciate your information very much.
Don't let stup*d fu*ks like misterc scare you away.

If you find another useful thread however, please tell us.

+1.

I liked your comments.

xerxes2 2011-05-22 12:11

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Just thinking, if the consumer device is based on U8500 Nokia might as well make a model with hwkb too. U8500 is so powerful that Nokia could sell those devices for many years to come without upgrading them so they would surely get their investment back. Omap3 is yesterdays tech and would not last that long compared to U8500.

Brock 2011-05-22 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1012580)
Just thinking, if the consumer device is based on U8500 Nokia might as well make a model with hwkb too. U8500 is so powerful that Nokia could sell those devices for many years to come without upgrading them so they would surely get their investment back. Omap3 is yesterdays tech and would not last that long compared to U8500.

i think, if the N9 sells in millions it is very possible that there will be another device with kb in the future (maybe 1Q/2012). I still hope that nokia wont sell many (better not a single) ms-phone, and will sell millions and billions of N9... hoping that nokia will see what the (non-american) consumer really wants.. and thats not wp (imho)...

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-22 12:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1012574)
"Scalable from 1 to 4 cores the Mali-400 MP enables a wide range of different use cases"

how many does the u8500 use?

xerxes2 2011-05-22 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1012584)
how many does the u8500 use?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3

Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.

mikecomputing 2011-05-22 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1012491)
I hope Nokia will have some sense, and will make both devices available for general public.

its more like its only one device the lanku one without keyboard maybe runs wp7.5.

I mean Elop was desperate to see a WP phone end of this year so maybe the hw in lanku was good just ripout Meego and install WP ****.

aironeous 2011-05-22 12:30

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No HW keyboard or add on hw keyboard = I'll wait and see what LG or another manufacturer is going to make for meego
No dual core plus gpu = no buy 100% for sure

Brock 2011-05-22 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1012584)
how many does the u8500 use?

as far as i understood its scalable from 1-4, so it includes 4 cores, but if only 1 is needed, the others are deactivated/standby.

I have found a few links about the SGS2, it has a samsung exynos cpu with the mali gpu, and they are always talking about 4 cores.

comparing the benchmarks of the sgs2 at anandtech wouldnt make sense at the moment because we will have another (higher) resolution, another cpu and another os (which is important too, imho). and the circumstances of the SoC (how is the ram connected to the rest of the system and things like that) is importand for the performance too.

Brock 2011-05-22 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1012587)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3

Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.

maybe they mean the vertex processor ;)

http://www.arm.com/products/multimed...ali-400-mp.php

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-22 12:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marrat (Post 1012523)
I came to think about the whole Hardware Keyboard topic... As much as I want a hardware keyboard in this device (and the N9 from the teaser is helluva sexy device to me, already fell in love with it :p ), I thought about the name "Nokia Internet Tablet". 770 and N800 didn't have HWKB either, consumer N9 also won't have it... so we'll get a 4" 720p Tablet/phone hybrid with some real nice software on it...

Guys, after thinking a little about it, and Harmattan is really that awesome as insiders tell us: Forget iPhone & iPad, forget Pre3 & TouchPad, forget BlackBerry & PlayBook... we get it all in one awesome device...

Besides: one question to insiders, hope someone can tell us: Will Harmattan support MS Exchange provisioning? Otherwise I cannot sync work PIM... that was one major problem for me with Maemo 5.

I think it does have that. I have all my contacts integrated (not exchange) and everything shows up in notification slide. Awesome !

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-22 12:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dtergens (Post 1012569)
Add double flash led for the dev one

and surely (I really hope !) xenon flash if it has 8 mpx for consumer one
like in the concept winner : http://admin.conversations.nokia.com.../NokiaU008.jpg

No Xenon flash... and looks like dev device no go at meego con

Brock 2011-05-22 12:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1012602)
I think it does have that. I have all my contacts integrated (not exchange) and everything shows up in notification slide. Awesome !

nice to see you back :)

could you anser me one single qestion?

Is icq implemented?

Brock 2011-05-22 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koajwujwer123 (Post 1012605)
No Xenon flash... and looks like dev device no go at meego con

we already heard it from zehjotkah... very disapointing...

xerxes2 2011-05-22 12:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1012596)
maybe they mean the vertex processor ;)

http://www.arm.com/products/multimed...ali-400-mp.php

If you read here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3

It says Mali-400MP1 which I guess is single-core. They also mention Mali-400MP4 which has four times the speed of the U8500 one so I'd assume that is the quad-core version of Mali-400.

Edit: And it looks like Mali-400MP1 is faster than SGX-540 from Omap4 so I would not worry that U8500 would disappoint in GPU power.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-22 12:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1012587)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3

Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.

shame its only a single core, but hopefully as powerful or more powerful than what we originally hoped for; the SGX540 as found in the Ti Omap4 platform.

vi_ 2011-05-22 12:48

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dont worry, i got one too for telling danramos to shut his noob mouth once.

marrat 2011-05-22 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1012606)
nice to see you back :)

could you anser me one single qestion?

Is icq implemented?

Or AIM, for that matter (as it's the same). I did not find any ICQ or AIM plugin hint in the leaked package list...

Brock 2011-05-22 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1012612)
If you read here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3

It says Mali-400MP1 which I guess is single-core. They also mention Mali-400MP4 which has four times the speed of the U8500 one so I'd assume that is the quad-core version of Mali-400.

yes, but i also read about u8500 and mali400mp. so it can still be both...

LTman 2011-05-22 12:51

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ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real

Koajwujwer123 2011-05-22 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1012620)
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real

AF and CZ cam , nice pics ! :D

Brock 2011-05-22 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1012620)
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real

i still hope that we are wrong and it will have the same cam as the one in the n8

Brock 2011-05-22 12:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1012620)
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real

you have the link for the razor images? lazy to search for ;)

zehjotkah 2011-05-22 12:56

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Hi guys.
As I feel kind of betrayed (or served with wrong/old information) I better keep shut up to prevent false information. That's my learning for these days.
If you have any questions unrelated to unreleased MeeGo devices or you just want to meet up at the MeeGo Conference drop me a line at Twitter, @zehjotkah

Bye, it was awesome to have fun with you.


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