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Dave999 2012-10-29 18:53

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1287250)
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On topic, has there been any further news on Jolla's new Asian offices at all? Would be nice if they had some sort of Grand Opening Ceremony and a few pics.

I'm waiting for that too. Pictures would be cool but the street name would be great too.

jalyst 2012-10-29 19:44

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic (Post 1287236)
Not even if I get one for free. Those ultra-closed platforms are becoming a trend. Yes I know, you can disable secure boot on Pro, but that's just not enough. The OS itself also becomes more and more closed. And only just recently Microsoft decided the (basic) dev-tools should be free not only for the Metro-style apps, as was their plan before.

People might not realize it, but this will affect every user eventually. Every app and change must be sanctioned by Microsoft, which means there will be stuff that will not make it. Yeah, obvious malware will be blocked, but also benevolent apps which alter the behavior of the OS in a very useful way.

Also, I reckon there will be less free apps, as the "pro"-versions of the dev-tools (which are needed if you get beyond the basics) are expensive.

Posted from closed source Opera running on Windows 7, for which I paid - I'm no opponent of closed, commercial software, but I am on closed systems and protocols.

The way I'm approaching it is....
Anything about 7" or less I'm keeping for less "restricted" platforms, whereas anything above I'm happy to dabble with the major restricted ones.
Which means I'll prolly end-up w/a Nexus 10 & Surface Pro for 9"+, & for 7" or less I'm praying some decent devices arrive from the major F/OSS platforms.
If they take too long or don't deliver, then I'll prolly get a Android device or two*, Apple still for my Laptop/PMP, + maybe a WP eventually (but probably not Nokia).
Some great points though, & I tend to agree for the most part, sadly it's the world we live in. Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread, back to Sailfish/Jolla/MeR etc!

*Android may be pushed to 7" form-factor if BBX is impressive enough, so 1x Android minitab & 1x BBX phone, or I may forget minitabs & stick with ereaders.

*UPDATE* 24/01/13

For phones, this order of purchasing priority this yr:
Best Android, 2nd-hand 808PV, Jolla/RIM/Ubuntu, "maybe" WP(not Nokia)/Tizen/FFOS

For Tablets (9"+):
Surface Pro (maybe RT instead) & best 9"+ Android (maybe sell 2x old iPads & upgrade to same gen. iPad)
Mini-tablets (less than 9") forget completely, keep that form-factor for eReaders only.

For PMP:
Upgrade current iTouch4G to 5G (tis really about the 6th G IIRC) that was released in 2012

Laptop is sorted:
rMBP 15" (possibly resell and upgrade just before new model is launched in mid-2013)

Dave999 2012-10-29 20:29

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
UEFI based boot loader should be possible to use, when I disabled secure boot. From there only Jolla can stop me from install it on my device. And I'm sure they don't. Actually, I think they have their own tablet on the way. would be easier and faster for them to release a tablet as first device.

marbleuser 2012-10-29 23:19

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
These guys don't even have a website and announce things that they're going to announce via twitter. You don't need to be a genius to see where this is going. Hope i'm wrong though..

marbleuser 2012-10-30 01:08

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Just on twitter now, they state that 'openness is in the very core of sailfish os strategy'. So hopefully this means no drm / lockdown etc. All too good to be true, sdk announced next month.

Akkumaru 2012-10-30 01:34

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Have faith, marbleuser. We will see next month.

Dave999 2012-10-30 07:53

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1287345)
These guys don't even have a website and announce things that they're going to announce via twitter. You don't need to be a genius to see where this is going. Hope i'm wrong though..

I'm sure they are working with a basic one for the sailfish announcment, just to distribute the sdk since the its always better to download from a "trusted" source.

Dave999 2012-10-30 15:44

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
No news today except this is where the asia office is located! Do we have any assets in the area for a stake out?

http://www.cyberport.hk/en

What can I do with mer while waiting?

don_falcone 2012-10-30 15:50

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Oh my.....
http://pictures.student.com/tests/test_9.jpg

Dave999 2012-10-30 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by troll_falcone (Post 1287628)

Don falcone, you are so productive in all threads...your posts are always so...http://srv.exbii.com/images/smilies/woohoo.gif

So how many of you running active plasma?

Dave999 2012-10-30 16:25

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0 one running this. Doesen't look good :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1233348)
wearing my Mer project t-shirt with more pride than usual today.

how do you get a Mer project t-shirt?

MINKIN2 2012-10-30 16:29

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287625)
No news today except this is where the asia office is located! Do we have any assets in the area for a stake out?

http://www.cyberport.hk/en

How are you so sure dave? They do not appear to be listed in the office directory, unless they are running the firm under a different name or the directory has not been updated yet :)

Dave999 2012-10-30 16:32

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1287639)
How are you so sure dave? They do not appear to be listed in the office directory, unless they are running the firm under a different name or the directory has not been updated yet :)


michael ‏@optios40
@JollaMobile May I know where is the jolla asia office? Is there any job vacancies?

Jolla ‏@JollaMobile
@optios40 Here: http://www.cyberport.hk/en .


But of cource, they are still under cover so we can't know for sure. it might be a shell office for the future or a comeracial move just to say they have office in asia.

zimon 2012-10-30 17:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Currently, I'd want Galaxy Note 2 level hardware with PureView 808+OIS camera, with CyanogenMod Android which would have SELinux-enabled Fedora-Linux or other rpm-based secure open-source standard (LSB) Linux underneath.

Lumiaman 2012-10-30 17:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Apple fired two executives. Has Jolla fired anyone yet for complete incompetence. Formed more than a year ago, and still no product. Did they fire that loser Jussa who brought us problem riddled N9? Heads need to roll at Jolla

Reggie 2012-10-30 19:36

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This thread has been moved to off-topic.

Dave999 2012-10-30 19:39

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 1287710)
This thread has been moved to off-topic.

That was the right move. This thread have been trolled since post 2.

But sooner or later we need a new jolla thread in competitors. But i think we should wait until the 21st to save it from all unnecessarily troll/speclation. Or even better several threads with different areas so the threads doesn't grow so Hugh and more specific and keeping this thread for wider speculations and Q&A. Also the smaller threads can be merged to this one when/if they grows out of conTROLL. The time of the epic threads are long gone.

Maybe even even jolla provide a forum to build a ecosystem. We will see.

Let's keep Jolla's moments in a short leesh.

gerbick 2012-10-30 21:50

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287713)
That was the right move. This thread have been trolled since post 2.

Erm, no. It became a troll-ridden thread when you started posting over and over in this thread. Seriously dude, look at your posts.

You are fully disruptive to every single thread you participate in. Sad part... you don't even see it.

Just let healthy discussion happen. This was about Jolla. It became about how Jolla might embody the spirit that we thought MeeGo might have. Then came the speculation of hardware, software and expectations. There were naysayers, fine. There were supporters, fine.

Then along came the trolls. I've not participated in this thread for a super long time because I didn't like how it was going. Just biding my time for November 21st announcement. Might not even now take that in via this site.

Dave999 2012-10-30 22:19

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
An health discussion could be held if there was members willing to do so, nothing stopped it. Even now people can do it, yet there is not much to discuss.
What we need is investigations and reporters to trying to get as much as information as possible about jolla. At least until 21st.

It's nothing special about this thread, it's happen all the time.

It's like the stock thread I started. It's fine was fine in the beginning. Thanks to all the trolls talk about device this and os that it was moved to off topic and it was overtaken by trolls and later closed. Same thing all over.

gerbick 2012-10-30 22:25

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287784)
An health discussion could be held if there was members willing to do so, nothing stopped it.

Having to pick through the ******** is not a healthy discussion man.

Quote:

It's nothing special about this thread, it's happen all the time.
It needs to stop.

Dave999 2012-10-30 22:33

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
It's really hard in a democracy. Then you need to be judged and executioner. More like a dictator. Someone need to decided what's is relevant and what's not in every thread.

I would love to have a healthy discussion about stocks and jolla, but it seems impossible for the reason I described in the last post. If anyone have some intressting area about jolla, I'm more than happy to read it since I'm looking everywhere for info.

gerbick 2012-10-30 22:33

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Please. Just shut up.

Lumiaman 2012-10-30 22:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Hey Gerb, love your response!!! Dave is on some hard core drugs

Dave999 2012-10-31 08:31

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
If you think you have what it takes to make jolla better, faster, smarter or stronger.

Apply now! They might need your help.

Jolla ‏@JollaMobile
@optios40 Send email to careers dot jollamobile.com , thanks!

thedead1440 2012-10-31 08:46

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Dave you can apply there as their PR officer? Maybe offer them tips on better communication :p

Oh and if you're applying get Lumiaman to apply too as chief evangelist? He can give them his "valuable" feedback too :D

Dave999 2012-10-31 08:52

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No, I don't have time with jolla. But I'm happly support them. My place is in the crowed. cheering, dancing and waveing jolla flags. More like a foot soldier.

thedead1440 2012-10-31 08:54

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1287970)
No, I don't have time with jolla. But I'm happly support them. My place is in the crowed. cheering, dancing and waveing jolla flags.

Dancing? Like dimitri you mean?

Dave999 2012-10-31 08:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1287973)
Dancing? Like dimitri you mean?

No, he is too skilled for me and it was just a figure of speech. :)

erendorn 2012-10-31 09:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1287765)
Erm, no. It became a troll-ridden thread when you started posting over and over in this thread. Seriously dude, look at your posts.

You are fully disruptive to every single thread you participate in. Sad part... you don't even see it.

Just let healthy discussion happen. This was about Jolla. It became about how Jolla might embody the spirit that we thought MeeGo might have. Then came the speculation of hardware, software and expectations. There were naysayers, fine. There were supporters, fine.

Then along came the trolls. I've not participated in this thread for a super long time because I didn't like how it was going. Just biding my time for November 21st announcement. Might not even now take that in via this site.

QFT.. Most of the time, when this thread has new posts, there's nothing actually new, and most of those time, it's Dave posting. Truly annoying..

Daneel 2012-10-31 14:18

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1287765)
Erm, no. It became a troll-ridden thread when you started posting over and over in this thread. Seriously dude, look at your posts.

You are fully disruptive to every single thread you participate in. Sad part... you don't even see it.

Just let healthy discussion happen. This was about Jolla. It became about how Jolla might embody the spirit that we thought MeeGo might have. Then came the speculation of hardware, software and expectations. There were naysayers, fine. There were supporters, fine.

Then along came the trolls. I've not participated in this thread for a super long time because I didn't like how it was going. Just biding my time for November 21st announcement. Might not even now take that in via this site.

Same here, i put both of them on ignore but the way this forum handles ignore list all i get is full pages of "this message is hidden because so and so is in your ignore list", useless.

rm42 2012-10-31 16:19

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Dave, you seem to be quite unabashed about being a troll. I wonder, would you be willing to participate in a sociology study focusing on the study of trolling? I would love to interview you.

Dave999 2012-10-31 16:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
yes, it seems that most poeple a quite convinced that I'm a troll pro and prefer to post stuff related to that instead of jolla. And who can blame them? after all it's a free forum and TMO will be stronger and better if people voice their opinions in understandable and structured way instead of just insults and complaints as you often read in thread bigger than 300 posts. I might have crossed into the boarder land of the trolls lately and I'm fighting to find the way out.

You can create a thread and ask your questions there instead of in this thread if you want. .Or create a simular google docs as jolla got and I answer it at the same time as jolla

specc 2012-10-31 19:05

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http://www.troll.me/images/dave/my-g...-of-stupid.jpg

This thread and Jolla :eek:

Lumiaman 2012-10-31 20:31

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This is the funniest thing I received:

Hi Lumiaman,

I am working on an interesting project and I wonder if you would be interested in participating. In one of my other lives, I am an amateur writer. I am currently writing a couple of books, and just recently got the idea of writing another one. This one would be on the subject of "trolling", as a sociology study. I find the subject fascinating, and I am sure others will too.

I am starting the research stage of the book by conducting some interviews. Surely you are aware of the fact that many people on this forum have labeled you a "troll" at one time or another. I think it would be fascinating, and very educational, to hear your side of the story and to see things from your point of view. How would you feel about being interview for this book?

Dave999 2012-10-31 22:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Sailfish Alliance is Asia, but jolla said simular organizations will be set up around the world. Anyone found any indication of a simular entity In let's say Europe, and will the os be called sailfish everywhere or is the main core of the os or the Asia os only. Can anyone recall that...can't find any question about that in the Google doc.

specc 2012-11-01 11:52

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1288301)
This is the funniest thing I received:

Hi Lumiaman,

I am working on an interesting project and I wonder if you would be interested in participating. In one of my other lives, I am an amateur writer. I am currently writing a couple of books, and just recently got the idea of writing another one. This one would be on the subject of "trolling", as a sociology study. I find the subject fascinating, and I am sure others will too.

I am starting the research stage of the book by conducting some interviews. Surely you are aware of the fact that many people on this forum have labeled you a "troll" at one time or another. I think it would be fascinating, and very educational, to hear your side of the story and to see things from your point of view. How would you feel about being interview for this book?

LOL I got the exact same thing today, only it started with hi specc :)

thedead1440 2012-11-01 12:05

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shouldn't the two of you and dave, I presume too, actually accept the requests?

It'll give everyone else a fascinating insight :D

Dave999 2012-11-01 13:13

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1288536)
shouldn't the two of you and dave, I presume too, actually accept the requests?

It'll give everyone else a fascinating insight :D

It's accepted and completed. I'm waiting for the book. Be ready to pay big bucks for it! Persanlly, I hope for royalties but we will see.

Not sure how the selection procces was done, but I think you are very close to being select when posting like you do ;) be carefull so you don't enter the dark side. Many users here are close to the line without knowing it.

Damn, I want to read this book on my future Jolla phone.

Leinad 2012-11-01 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1288558)
Not sure how the selection procces was done...

I can tell you :cool:

http://talk.maemo.org/poll.php?do=sh...lts&pollid=715

Dave999 2012-11-01 16:55

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1288603)

Ok, fine. that might be the criteria. But to get a real acceptance for a valid result you need to elect people to the pool or even better results if anyone could add candidates.

Ever heard that if people ecpect/think you in are in a special way, sooner or later you become like that. Psychics basics.

It might be an environmental issue.

Let's hope the book can get to the bottom of it. When we are at it. If you are a great writer jollausers looking for writers. Please apply so we can get serious and well written articles when the news will appear very soon.


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