Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks for the heads-up on the camera. I naively assumed that Sonys should have decent cameras. They boast quite impressive MPs.

I held their phones and they did not feel any bulkier than anything else on the market these days. It is a real shame that 4.5" is now referred to as "compact". What has the world come to? I like the waterproof feature on some of them and I like the square corners but my daughter does not, so Xperias are out. At least the new ones, I may still consider a Z1 and flash a new Android on it ;)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Neither does my Xperia X with SFOS 2.1.3

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Hello everybody I'm new in here maemo.org forum, and I'm very interest this Sailfish operating system.

So now I'm planning to install sailfish x to my xperia x single sim device, but before I install it I have some questions for you.

Before I asked these questions I read some pages of this thread.
;)
So how about warranty, I just recently bought the phone and I understand that when I flash sailfish to the phone nevertheless, I have the right to warranty service.

In short warranty process is little bit complicated to claim. Am I right?

Second question:

I noticed the xperia x camera overheats (default camera app) and even shutsdown camera when I recorded approximately ten minutes 1080p 60fps clip. I read that many users have same "feature" so I asking this community does you have same feature and do I need to worry about it in Sailfish installation?

Third question:

Does sailfish x supports ota updates or will I need to manually flash new image?

Fourth and last:

Does Sailfish x support the modern sd cards standards like Uhs and application performance class like Android version of sony?

hopefully you will understand my question.:D If someone were bothered to answer my questions, I would be really grateful!

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Provided you can restore DRM keys with factory Android image there shouldn't be a problem, otherwise charges would probably be incurred.

You will get OTA updates for 1 yr after purchasing SailfishX image.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Not quite. You will receive device-specific OTA updates for 1 year. General SailfishOS OTA updates will be perpetual, at least that's what I have understood.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Things change, behavior changes, demand changes.
Some years ago we had featurephones with greyscale, low resolution displays, nowadays smartphones are as powerful as mobile computers 15 years ago, hence the (small) changes in size and features.

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Depends.
If you follow these instruction before unlocking the bootloader you can save your TA partition with the DRM keys.
With that, whenever you want to return the phone to the manufacturer, you can reflash the original sony firmware and TA partition, and the phone will be in the exact same shape as when you took it out of the box, so nobody could ever cause problems because of the Sailfish X installation.

If you don't, it depends on how are the consumer rights in your region. (Sony says that they might charge you extra in case of an unlocked phone, but I'm sure the claim isn't valid everywhere in Europe).

Please note that Android on Xperia X uses a special custom proprietary photo application (that's what is protected by the DRM keys inside the TA partition).

Sailfish X uses the stock SFOS photo app (which currently is a little bit less good at focusing.

Sailfish OS in general uses YUM repositories with RPM files. You should be able to upgrade seamlessly in the future.

Two things regarding cards :

- SD cards above 64 are sold preformatted as exFAT instead of FAT32 (i.e.: they are SDXC instead of SDHC), so you'll need to reformat them into something that isn't patented (current version of Sailfish X has support for UDF, for F2FS and for EXT4 among the interesting formats. But currently BTRFS isn't enabled unlike older Jolla phone). Or you'll need to procure your own FUSE exFAT driver (look on openrepos.net)

- The kernel currently used by Sailfish X is directly lifted from a slightly older version of Sony's Android (6.0.1 Mashmallow, instead of the current 7.1.1 Nougat).
So the SD card performance aren't exactly on par with the (current) Android:

Among other, some SD aren't noticed at all by the older kernel.
It's a bug which has been corrected sometime between the older 3.10.84 kernel used currently by Sailfish X and the more recent 3.10.100~ kernel used by current Sony Android.
So Sailfish X is currently affected, but the latest OTA of Android isn't.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

...choice is taken away.

A massive screen may be for you but not everyone is you. There are customers who want smaller screens. I lined up the N900 (3.5"), N9 (4"), Jolla (4.5") and all the tablets found around the house (7", 8" and 10") before my daughter and she picked the N9 size, but conceded that a Jolla size would do if smaller is not available. I will have to disappoint her. My wife, father, sister, niece and all my colleagues I spoke to on the topic also bemoaned the size of what is on offer. You will never convince me that manufacturers "respond to demand". They simply do not give you the choice.

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DrYak and aspergerguy thanks for nice answers!

I got few questions still:

1. How about jolla or community make to sailfish x use 4k resolution option in default cam app or making new native app. I tested that 4k resolution option in opencamera called app in play store and it's works well.

So I can at least download it for sailfish and hopes it works on sailfish.:D

I think Sony's overheat message is ******** and I can record video even 4k so long as I got space...:rolleyes:

2. Oh so there is no software limitation for Uhs standard, only kernel affect. That's nice for sailfish it can be as fast as android.

Now I know it's not waste of money to purchase Uhs marked sd card for my xperia.

Btw anybody tested 256gb sd card in xperia x?:p

Sorry I'm pretty ignorant details of phones.:o

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Did some tests with a microSDXC Transcend Ultimate 633x 64GB card : UHS3, the read speed seem to top around ~50 MB/s.

It's not as fast as the advetised max speed of the device (~80 MB/s)
Nor as fast as the internal eMMC flash (> ~200MB/s)

But it goes beyond the non-UHS base class speeds (e.g.: Jolla1 didn't support UHS on its card slot and the same SDXC card topped at ~20MB/s)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I could. but should I? when I can pick up any other device and have it out of the box.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Get your daughter an iPhone 5s. It's still powerful enough to last for another year or two and is 4''. IIRC, jailbreak is available for it too.

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Eagerly waiting for a X Compact SFOS port...

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Finnish tech site iotech.fi has published a long article (written by a site user FlyingAntero) about SailfishX:

https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/lu...sony-xperia-x/

Unfortunately only in Finnish :(

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Pictures taken with the Xperia X SailfishX are really poor unfortunately.

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Does anyone else have this problem and is there a solution?

OpenVPN is set up to connect automatically, and wifi is set up too. The issue is that when the VPN is connected the mobile data connection is retained even when wifi is in range.

The expected behaviour would be that switching to wifi from mobile data would be done automatically and the VPN would reconnect via the wifi, but it is surmised that this could be a security risk. There is no constant flow of data through the VPN (in this user case), so maybe it is possible to get the device to pause any data being sent or received, switch to wifi, and then reconnect to the VPN, and resume data transmission/reception?

It seems to be ok with disconnecting from the wifi (when it is out of range) and switching to mobile data and reconnecting to the VPN, but the return to wifi must be done manually it seems.

Can the priority be edited or something?

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Hi.

I have a similar configuration but I'm just curious about your settings:

Is your WiFi always active so that it can connect when configured APs are in range or you managed to turn WiFi / Cellular on and off automatically?

Also, for the normal exchange of information between applications each layer must notify the 'upper' layers / apps the problems with connectivity and the upper layers / apps react accordingly.... (this is what I can recall from the OSI standard model :-D ).

For example: if you have an active ssh session and you switch the 'underneath' transport layer from WiFi to Cellular Data or from Cellular Data to WiFi, the ssh software should (and it does) keep track of disconnection / re-connection and resume working as if nothing happened, provided the time required to reconnect is short enough....

For VPN connectivity I use SecureFishNet: it's not opensource, but I haven't had time to solve my VPN problems with Connmand :mad:
Regards.

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Wifi is usually always active as is mobile data. Device is expected to do the switcharoo as necessary/possible. Not using SecureFishNet but using the built-in client which works great after having added the following line to the configuration file to ensure all traffic goes through the VPN:

"Wifikiller" application from OpenRepos but it didn't seem to work properly (or was not configured to work properly) so wifi stays on all the time, sadly.

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I'm using Saera with the flite voices. Unfortunately alsa/pulseaudio is broken on Sailfish X, so voice input doesn't work.

The ALSA issue is strange. I haven't seen any reference to it on the thread, but it was present in the community build as well as the official image. The two applications it affects (that I've found so far) are CuteSpot and Saera. In CuteSpot, songs "play" but produce no sound output. In Saera, it affects input; both the python script (which uses alsaaudio) which displays the input volume and Julius (the voice recognition engine) see no sound input. Anyone else able to confirm this issue?

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A bit OT, but yes and no. The jailbreakability depends on the iOS version the phone happens to be on when you get your hands on the device. If it's too recent (say iOS 11, ATM), then good luck with that.

(Apple being Apple, you are normally not allowed to downgrade (yes, on certain terms it's possible, but you would need to have SHSH blobs saved earlier and I'm not sure whether even with those a downgrade is guaranteed). Nowadays, jailbreaking as a process is almost a joke compared to what it once was: recently the Windows jailbreak software is available first, Macs come second if at all, the jb might be a hit'n miss and/or riddled with bugs and usually you can't even upgrade to the latest jailbreakable iOS version at the time the jb finally is available as they come so late that a newer iOS version already exists. So you would often need to lose a previous jb by upgrading beforehand at the moment there's even a hint of a jb for whatever iOS version Apple allows you to upgrade and hope for the best all the while using your phone without a jb.)

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Don't know of any solution, but I have the exact same issue on VPN only. In fact, it has been there since native vpn client first was introduced to SFOS. Issue is there on all my Sailfish devices.

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You could use the situations app to kill mobile data when wifi is connected, and switch it on when not connected to a specific SSID.
That would force the VPN to reconnect right?

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A good idea. Further investigation is needed though.

A different issue has been encountered: GPS positioning data is somehow still provided to applications (OSM Scout and SimScout) even when in the positioning custom settings everything is turned off and location is turned off too. Or does Sailfish just remember the last location it was allowed to detect and pipes that to any app requesting location data? This theory has not yet been tested.

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Will try that during the day (dog walking several times :)).

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Nothing new probably - just my experience...

Yesterday 16:45 left my XperiaX&SailfishX with 39% battery left. WIFI on, but no apps opened. Today morning 9:45 when I got back to my office, the phone had been switched off - battery empty.

Is it expected behaviour?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Going dead from 39% over 17 hours? On Jolla 1, that is absolutely 100% expected.
I do not know about SailX but it would not surprise me at all.

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Please be aware that Situations can't switch or toggle the status of connections since one of the last updates (the permissions to do this as user "nemo" were removed). You need to either install the appropriate patch from Schturman for the connection you want to change from Openrepos or make a bash script, install sudo and create a sudo rule for that script (described more in detail here: https://together.jolla.com/question/...e-os-to-21126/ )

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well, partly true. Situations still can toggle mobile data at least. WiFi and bluetooth toggling are out.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Here it drains 2-4% overnight. So there seems to be something wonky with your device.

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Hmm - I enabled doubletap to wake - could it be the reason?

Is it possible to disable it temporarily for testing?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Hi.

I activated doubletap since the very beginning and still draws about 5% overnight...
Still, doubletap is quite buggy.

Regards.

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Hi.

Man, this option made my day. I had it activated in the server side, but not in the client and a part of the traffic was routed via cellular data.... now everything goes through the VPN. :)

On your issue I have no clue (my xMPP client won't reconnect automatically when I switch from WiFi to cellular, and I don't know why.)

Regards.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Enable:

mcetool -M show-unlock-screen
mcetool -z proximity
mcetool -i enabled
mcetool -E enabled

Disable:

mcetool --set-doubletap-mode=disabled
mcetool --set-fake-doubletap=enabled
mcetool --set-doubletap-wakeup=never

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

On SailfishX I've never seen more than 3-4% battery usage overnight (most times is 1-2% only), even with 7-8 open apps and an automated nightly rsync backup at 3:40am. On Jolla1 it was basically the same.
BTW I don't have yet installed any Android app on SailfishX.

Apple and Android phones were born as "monotasking" instead of multitasking because many stupid developers wasted CPU resources like there was no tomorrow and it was hard to explain to customers that their preferred apps kept wasting battery milliamperes like hungry piranhas surrounding a steak. A very few Android/iOS apps are allowed to do something when backgrounded (and only a few things like GPS updating, audio playing, network messaging, etc).

Monotasking automatically led developers to write even worse software - wasting CPU resources everytime they can - because they know that every time the app is not in foreground it's basically frozen.

Sailfish is a true multitasking system (I clearly hear Apple fanbois woohooing). Sailfish doesn't enforce memory/network/CPU/background limits, thus an app could actually waste 100% CPU cycles even in background.

Native Sailfish apps have to be well-behaved. Currently it's easy to spot a new app wasting resources for no reason... because most of native apps are actually well-behaved (thanks also to Qt/QML).

With the exception of old batteries (many hundreds of recharge cycles), if Sailfish wastes too many milliamperes then most probably you have to blame some Android app.

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Sorry, no Android support installed here...

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Same here. Never allowed Android touch my Jolla. Still, 2% battery drop per hour is normal with no applications running, WiFi on and connected. With WiFi on and not connected this can increase four times.

The smallest overnight drop I have ever seen was 8%, and that was when I went to bed particularly late (long after midnight) and woke up as usual (about 05.30).

This is all on Jolla. But if others are reporting similar on their Xperias, then it is likely not a hardware issue.

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To give some more insight. I have unfortunately Android support installed and an Android is always running. Furthermore I have it in Flight mode over night.

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Maybe this will show a comparison on battery life of the Jolla C and the XPeria X.

While my phone number hasn't been transferred from my old to my new operator, I carry the Jolla C around in my backpack only for SMS. The XPeria X is my main phone and phone calls to the Jolla C are redirected to the XPeria X.
On a day without touching the Jolla C at all, and moderate use of the XPeria X, I left the house in the morning with both fully charged, and returned home jn the evening with both at 70% of charge remaining.

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F5121 standby on Android 7.1.1 was extremely good and shows the HWs capability if SW is optimized.
I had the device laying in the drawer from recieving, making updates and disposing it with ~80% into the drawer, 6 days later when flashing it still had more than 60%.
Now with sailfish, bit more than normal usage, full blown dalvik but without double tap hack i got ~2days out of it. Going to recharge it the first time this evening after putting it to use yesterday morning with 100% when my nano sim arrived.

EDIT, sfos may be not perfectly optimized for f5121, but it still amazed me that it stayed at 100% for around 5 minutes of usage until it went down to 99%.
On Jolla C, i unplugged at 100% and it went to 99% immediatly ever since i recieved it.

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Could.someone explain what these do, or point to a wiki of sort?