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Smartphones and netbooks both existed when MID was first discussed, so I don't think it's narrowed at all. The distinction between phones and MIDs? A phone is a device made for holding up to your ear and talking into. Admittedly, this one is a little fuzzy, with stuff like the tacophone and the N810 ostensibly on opposite sides of it, but both in the "marginal useful, and not really made for it" category. But the Pre is smaller than the iPhone, and AFAIK the G2 will be no larger the G1; they're not stretching into the MID space at all. The only recent development that seems to push it at all is the N97, and that only in styling; it's no larger than a G1. (Sizeasy)

With respect to smartphones, I meant the Internet experience on smartphones is getting better such that some people see less of a reason to get a separate MID.

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MIDs vs. netbooks is an almost unambiguous distinction. If it's a clamshell, it's a netbook. If it's a touchscreen slate (possibly with slider), it's a MID. IMHO, there's more room for confusion between smartphones (Navigators and the like) and netbooks than between MIDs and netbooks. The only potentially confusing options are convertible touchscreen clamshells, of which there are hardly any, and they all seem more netbook than MID. And again, most of the recent growth in netbooks is in the upward direction, with 10 and even 12" displays instead of the original 7-9" size, not encroaching on MIDs at all.

The netbook phenomenon is only a year old. I meant the 7-9" size segment which didn't exist more than a year ago. (And i think the HP Mi, Dell 9" Mini, Sony P are relatively recent).

Re: Where is Nokia - no announcement no product - still in hibernation

Bring back the hard case, b*tches!!!! *burp*

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I don't see the point in an internet tablet that has WWAN but not cell phone capabilities. You already have all the hardware built in, why not take advantage of it? The WiFi-only IT makes sense, but with 3G now it will probably die out.

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 268493)

You already have all the hardware built in, why not take advantage of it?

Because you can't just "take advantage of it". Adding voice introduces a lot of carrier and regulatory requirements that aren't present for a data-only package.

Besides, we don't actually know that at least one of them wont have voice.

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 268493)

The WiFi-only IT makes sense, but with 3G now it will probably die out.

Why would having 3G make it die out? This doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 268495)

Because you can't just "take advantage of it". Adding voice introduces a lot of carrier and regulatory requirements that aren't present for a data-only package.

I'm at a break point so I'll bite.

Maybe the upside to the present economic conditions is that some crazy carrier will offer a "Do-Any-Thing-You-Want-And-Try-To-Get-Away-With-It" plan. Sprint (before Nextel) accidentally did it before. Could happen again, and you'll certainly hear it here first (maybe second).

Isn't compressed voice something like 1/7 to 1/10 the size of a mono, 1 byte 8k sample rate? Let's say 20kbps full duplex. Am I close? If so, that seems to leave plenty of room for some obscured, robust subterfuge. And really, how much longer can they get away with there data/voice/sms ruse? Here, say it with me, "analog exists for less than an inch." Sh*t, we might actually be able to have this conversation with the current White House. Remember, there used to be an East Germany. See what I did there?

Is this thing on?

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 268495)

Many netbooks now ship with 3g built in, but obviously none of them can be used as phones due to the form factor.

When you have something that is always on and is always in your pocket, and always has cellular reception, it seems pretty stupid to not allow it to have a phone as well.

IOW

Netbook- Wifi-only makes sense
Netbook- WIfi+3G make sense
IT- Wifi-only makes sense
IT- Wifi+3G+Phone makes sense
IT- WiFi+3G doesn't make sense.

Of course, within a few years VOIP will take over and voice will be useless, but until then I don't see much reason not to include it. Yes, the reasons that you listed are factors, but Nokia is a cell phone company and they can do regulation and certification in their sleep.

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The point here is: If a tablet is not a phone, you have to carry a phone with you. Your phone have the ability to route your Internet connection (3G, GPRS, ...) througth bluetooth. So why do you need 3G directly in your Tablet? My answer is: the tablet must be a phone without having any hardware to be it. That is: It should route calls through bluetooth as if it where a car handsfree bluetooth device. It should edit contacts through bluetooth as if it was syncing, it should actulalize the device calendar and todo the same way and it should have integrated photos visualization in Canola-Freemantle with a plugin the same way you can see them connecting with the File Manager

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 268521)

Of course, within a few years VOIP will take over and voice will be useless, but until then I don't see much reason not to include it. Yes, the reasons that you listed are factors, but Nokia is a cell phone company and they can do regulation and certification in their sleep.

Here you have it. It seems that Nokia takes the long term view of the tablet with the 5 generation plan and all. So why couldn't it be that they are foregoing conventional cellular voice because their intent is VoIP? And what is wrong with that?

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Nothing, but if the next gen devices have 3G hardware, there is little reason not to have Voice. If they want to make it VOIP-only then they should only stick with WiFi.

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 268589)

Nothing, but if the next gen devices have 3G hardware, there is little reason not to have Voice. If they want to make it VOIP-only then they should only stick with WiFi.

There's big reasons. At least the same reason that the other 3G enabled MIDs, netbooks and UMPCs don't have cellular voice. Plus the additional reasons Nokia has related to VoIP.