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He did get his laptop AND a WP phone, so win-win for MS, would only stuff him with laptop without all the PR (black going on grey, damagecontrol white) shtick. Now another WP phone is out there too (and a couple of frontpage reddit posts about nonexisting ecosystem), couldn't plan it better

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

I think what you see there is the influence of Matias Duarte


He was the director of design for Danger inc who made the Hip-tops and Michael Knights tom-tom, err I mean Side Kicks

Notice the crystal keypad?

http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/c/rv/.../440x330_3.jpg

It had a rather nice UI too, shame about it being tide to the cloud and so locked down that it makes Apple look hedonistic.

Anyway, he left to join Palm to become VP of Human Interface and User Experience. In the mean time M$ bought Danger and decided to release the Kin using their new properties and swallowing Dangers Cloud Services that MS has built upon today.

Matias's work can still be enjoyed today too, he is the guy we can thank for a little project called Ice Cream Sandwich.

This bloke is an interface legend IMO.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Don't forget Nokia is heavily subsidizing the Lumia with carriers and giving free gifts for standalone purchases. In U.S. the Lumia 900 will be sold at US$99.99 for 2 years contract while other models are at least US$200 for the same terms. How desperate can you get?

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

He is auctioning both his winnings to charity as an 'up yours' to MS. Pie in the face for them.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Microsoft Likes IP of companies, So it would not come as a surprise if the deal was just to get some Intellectual Property rights that Nokia holds, Like with danger, Ms was only interested in their intellectual properties. I wish Nokia well, really i do, But i have no idea whats going on.

Nokia is fragmented, This is a bad image, they released a 41 MP phone which got people excited but the problem was, it was on a symbian platform, Seeing Elop has already said so much bad things about Symbian. calling it "A burning Platform" and giving a Date of Death, this looks strange. It's almost Like, Nokia is scared, or does not trust Ms Windows phone. Because surely if you are releasing something like the worlds first 41mp Phone (to get peoples attention), seeing WP7 is their Hope, they would use WP7 right?

Maybe this is a cry for help from the deep vaults of Nokia, who knows? Maybe Nokia has been highjacked? well it's too late now, lets hope WP7 does well...

Oddly, have you noticed that it is Nokia who is complaining about the bad sales, Not Microsoft?

The Nokia-Microsoft relationship is really bad... Nokia cannot go to android-- for Nokia maps reasons.

and to Go back to symbian and meego would seem like an embarrassment, seeing they "HE" dissed it so bad. I mean not even Samsung is dissing their bada platform, and it's not doing very well.

Hope they do well, windows needs to innovate... at current speed, windows Phone does not offer anything, Android, iOs, and other Os's don't already have.

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HILARIOUS! Best part is that EVEN WITH THE RIGGING, the Microsoft phone STILL lost against a Galaxy Nexus. FTA: "According to the latest report by The Verge, Microsoft admits to using only those challenges where it knows it will have an upper hand, while avoiding those where it could lose or the result would be a tie, among other things. So no, there is nothing random (and might I even add fair) about these events and everything, including the part where you lose to the Windows Phone, is part of the plan."

A little too late to save face, though. If I were the guy, I would make sure to collect the laptop and then immediately install Linux on it just to make a point. :)

For maps reasons? What reasons are those? Couldn't Nokia put their maps application out for Android? Hell--if it's actually good, it might make them more money than their half-arsed Windows Phones. I've seen a few third-party mapping apps on Android that were done at least as good as Google's (I tend to use Waze no a daily basis--a LOT more than Google Maps, even though I love them both for different reasons). Once again, it's nice to have a platform where I can HAVE both a wide array of software (unlike Nokia) AND competition (unlike iOS).

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Seems that Microsoft doens't care that much about Navteq and Nokia anyways: http://www.electronista.com/articles...treetmap.data/

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

> I cannot remember the whole story, Because at the time i read it, i was not really interested in the Nokia-Windowsphone-Android story,

But i believe it Goes like this. Nokia Acquires Navteq and Develop maps Ovi Maps(Called Nokia maps), If i remember correctly Nokia goes to google and Ms because Nokia realizes that their Market share is falling, when i say Go i mean talks...


In short for Nokia to move to android (In their eyes) "EMPHISIS ON IN THEIR EYES, MAINLY ELOP AND CHAIRS"
(I'm sure some shareholders are not happy)

They will lose what makes them different, this is why on the Nokia Lumia 800 there are not one mapping Software installed, But three, Nokia Maps, Nokia Drive, and Bing (Microsoft maps)

note- Nokia spends more money on R & D than apple.

Also the deal with Microsoft means that Microsoft would add a large amount to the Pot, thus the really aggressive Nokia Lumia series advertising we all have been seeing

Now this is where it gets a bit complicated, According to the deal between Nokia and Microsoft, Nokia have Powers that other manufactures, Say, HTC, Samsung,LG, do not have, this is why Elop keeps saying the relationship between Ms-Nokia is special.

For example, Android has a Unique App store,(Put in motion by the owners, GOOGLE) but between Nokia-Microsoft, Nokia store will have integration into Ms Market place. For Nokia, this could not have been done on the Android Os so she still has some stuff for her self. meaning? She might get a larger share of the profit from her own store.

Nokia can innovate upon Windows phone platform, On the Android Os they cannot -- If i am not mistaken Google Requires that the stock android stays intact? Even though there is a skin above it?

But with Windows phone, Nokia can improve upon it, IE. they said imaging can be improved by nokia. and i presume Ms will use nokia to improve their GPS and Radio features, Poor nokia.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...rtnership.mspx


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...#ixzz1qPPerzx0

So under the deals, Lets say it like this, Nokia would have alot of her rent paid for her, By Microsoft, but the problem is, Microsoft only wants intellectual Properties, >so i think <

So you see, the share holders were blinded by moneyca appeal, According to the deal, Microsoft will pay nokia $2 BILLION, for using their technology,patents and nokia can do modification in areas they are allowed. Under Google android, I believe Nokia would have to be the one, talking out her check book...

so in a summary Microsoft looked like Nokia's only hope, because Nokia can make demands, On the Android Os it's do as i say by Google.

So modifications that Nokia can add in the Windows phone 7 Os, they cannot add in the Android Os,

but nokia share prices keep falling, at one point, Ms will be faced with a choice, watch the deal fall to bits, or buy Nokia(or a large chunk) like Sony and Ericsson (Sony ericsson)

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this will backfire badly...
the employees will be so pissed @ the disfunctionality of Flopware (compared to the iPhones 4(s) & ANDroid super phones they had to give in in exchange...) that they will (sincerely) recommend to the customers anything BUT...
>¦-)))))))))))))

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

You might be on to something there. These sales people are very likely to have the latest iPhones and super-droids, some may have been given to them by droid & apple promotions likewise.

They may have already invested a fair wad of $$$ in their chosen app market and with every free promo device or upgrade can take their apps with them. So Nokia/MS might see even more reluctant salesmen than expected as they would not want to re-purchase what little they can from the MS market.