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Dave999 2013-05-12 09:36
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1342969)
ROTFL of those big companys like ericsson, nokia.or huwai doesn't think the SoC is worth continue development it would be plain stupid dir a startup company to buy the SoC. And btw where should they get the money? AFAIK jolla will start search for more capital in june. So we doesn't even know if jolla survives 2014
Or 2013...

minimos 2013-05-13 16:18
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1342966)
But if SoC he talks about its probadly intel who is "unlike"
Heh, the joint-venture between Nokia and Intel during Meego times turned so sour and generated so much bad blood that I wonder if Intel guys still want to see any of the ex-Nokia faces, even if they are 'rebadged' under a new company name.

Dave999 2013-05-13 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1343304)
Heh, the joint-venture between Nokia and Intel during Meego times turned so sour and generated so much bad blood that I wonder if Intel guys still want to see any of the ex-Nokia faces, even if they are 'rebadged' under a new company name.
Dude, It's not personal, it's business!

shmerl 2013-05-13 16:53
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1343304)
Heh, the joint-venture between Nokia and Intel during Meego times turned so sour and generated so much bad blood that I wonder if Intel guys still want to see any of the ex-Nokia faces, even if they are 'rebadged' under a new company name.
I'm not sure how much of the Meego fiasco (as a project) was Intel's fault. After all Nokia were the main force behind it. Intel has nothing to lose, and only will gain from working with Mer / Sailfish.

mikecomputing 2013-05-13 16:56
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343320)
I'm not sure how much of the Meego fiasco (as a project) was Intel's fault. After all Nokia were the main force behind it. Intel has nothing to lose, and only will gain from working with Mer / Sailfish.
Biggest fiasco before Elop is the Symbian fanatics inside Nokia, who slowed down Maemo/Meego development...

jalyst 2013-05-13 17:40
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1342410)
I asked for an update on this the other day, but I was told we'll just have to wait, still no guarantees, but apparently they will try to answer most things. Everything happening in the next few wks will probably answer most of it anyway, if there's anything left over then hopefully they'll oblige. Of course, a raft of new Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms will be provoked once we have all that new info! Hopefully from that point onwards they'll become more responsive, either via this initiative, or a better interface that they themselves have established which "augments" what they already use.
Sooo, I wonder how much of this will be addressed before the 20th, probably not much I'm guessing...

shmerl 2013-05-13 17:45
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Probably not much point for them. They are preparing some announcements and press releases I guess.

Kangal 2013-05-14 06:23
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
MeeGo killed by - Symbian fanatics, Intel foresight, Android domination.

Nokia should've had an N9 in the hands of developers before Samsung could even launch the Galaxy S.

It should've really been in Blackberry's current** position, only in 2011 before the Galaxy SII and iPhone 4 sold with bucket loads.

**That is have the OS/SDK complete. Push out two competitive hardware. Get vendor and third-party support. Have a small ecosystem ready with decent catalogue of Apps.

jalyst 2013-05-14 07:45
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1343435)
It should've really been in Blackberry's current** position, only in 2011...

**That is have the OS/SDK complete. Push out two competitive hardware. Get vendor and third-party support. Have a small ecosystem ready with decent catalogue of Apps.
That was the goal, by the end of 2011 (or def. by mid 2012) there would've been 2-4 Harmattan devices, then the MeeGo proper devices would've come on board from mid-2012 onwards. That would no longer be a Nokia-only game, there would've been at least a few other contributors. But momentum towards all of that was systematically dismantled from the start of 2011.

There was no large dev program promotion throughout 2011, the focus shifted mostly to WP, if that hadn't occurred it's feasible they would've had similar native app count at launch to what BB had, probably larger. They would've had their own ACL implementation too, although I suspect it may have been abandoned once they hit MeeGo proper, or conversely that may have been when they adopted it.

Anyway, this is all getting completely off-topic, please keep the thread for what it's intended folks (me included).

shmerl 2013-05-20 22:15
Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Regarding one of the key questions (networks support):

http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/20/joll...ew-marc-dillon

Quote:
P: I know it’s hard to get specifics right now, but are there any US carrier partnerships yet? Any support for North American LTE bands?

MD: The device being released is fully capable of LTE, and that’s how the software is configured to support it. We are starting with the China and Europe markets, since China is the place is where a lot of these ideas have started, there is a lot of innovation and new business, and then, once things start rolling, we’ll continue our process of exploring and developing new markets. We’ll have to see how it goes.
Basically they are saying that they aren't yet saying. So how can you preorder without knowing what's going to be supported??


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