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Rushmore 2009-11-09 15:06

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I think people are creating a lot of something out of nothing. Peter said that when they are ready to ship, they would publish that the product is ready to ship. This should tell us that it is NOT READY to ship, or, we would know about it. So, any projected date beyond 24 hours is bullcrap.

This tells us that we will know when the sales reps know. Anyone telling us other than an official publication by Nokia is talking out of the wrong exit. ;)

pwannell 2009-11-09 15:08

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MPD just said to me 16/11

eltinio 2009-11-09 15:09

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Could it be that the n900 is ready but that there aren't enough to fill all the pre-orders? That Nokia doesn't want to disappoint anybody.

YuuDumFuks 2009-11-09 15:12

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what major problems can there be if this is so fukin hard to release a phone?ITS A FUKIN PHONE!!!!!!! is it so ****?is the factory what makes these phones under siege?is there a terrorist(a sony/ericson)fanboy who dont let any n900 to ship?or ufo that haves all of n900?and where is snitcers?and nuknuk?comments please?or in the youtube there is a n900/ihomo killerphone THE INFAMOUS MOBIRA NMT!!!!!okay thats the reason that keeps n900 at the ship!!!it never holds up to that device!! (and the video is a joke dont take it so serious :)

twoboxen 2009-11-09 15:12

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I don't understand why we've never heard anything about a s/w bug from prerelease models that was serious enough to delay the phone's release (and possibly risk a bunch of holiday sales). If there were software problems that were not CATASTROPHIC they could just be pushed out via a normal software update.

I'm hoping they fixed a hardware issue or two (both issues I'm hoping they address have been discussed enough to not stir up in this thread).

Does this logic make any sense to you guys?

Rushmore 2009-11-09 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eltinio (Post 369746)
Could it be that the n900 is ready but that there aren't enough to fill all the pre-orders? That Nokia doesn't want to disappoint anybody.


My guess is Nokia will ship as pallets are filled. They would want to get channels moving with product ASAP.

We have not seen nothing yet. Wait until the units start shipping. It will make this thread seem like a tiny thread :eek:

thiswayup 2009-11-09 15:14

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Hi guys. Just registered. got fed up off reading all 205 pages without joining in. I too have the N900 on order. Went into Nokia retail this weekend to pre order and they had a working one that had just arrived to play on. Ordered mine through MPD as the shop couldn't match the tarriff. Only a week to go I reckon.

Sorry that was Banbury UK

meyma 2009-11-09 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rcs1000 (Post 369717)
I'll repeat what I said earlier (much earlier).

Nokia Regent Street staff training is the 16th. Phone release will be the 17th.

This is shure - as the 9th. And the 25th too (according to german Nokia site).
As long as they've got our orders they can delay the release as long as they like, and they will do. At least until Xmas. They know that we want the phomputer anyway. If more and more of us would cancel their order, this would be a signal that Nokia might loose fans if they won't hurry. But some of us think tey can have their baby a few days earlier if they hold their order. They think it for weeks already, haven't learnt anything.
This thread is best marketing for Nokia, why shouln't they heat it up by further and further delays?

sharper 2009-11-09 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by twoboxen (Post 369751)
Does this logic make any sense to you guys?

I think it's very likely that the delay is for usability enhancements rather than a critical bug. You only get one chance to make a first impression and this is the Maemo team's one and only chance to make one on the smartphone market.

Companies think in terms of quarters. Moving a product from early Q4 to mid Q4 is not really a delay to them.

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:18

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Thanks Nokia uk for lying to me and various other people well done .

drm 2009-11-09 15:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JD2010 (Post 369673)
Yes 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You failed by one. Sorry.

pwannell 2009-11-09 15:19

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I think we should twitter @PeterMaemo and see where he is at at the moment

sharper 2009-11-09 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369761)
Thanks Nokia uk for lying to me and various other people well done .

They gave you the best information they had. They might have made the mistake of assuming you were an adult and understood people who answer the phones don't set release dates :)

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:21

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Never mind the chase is always better than the kill :D

twoboxen 2009-11-09 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sharper (Post 369758)
Companies think in terms of quarters. Moving a product from early Q4 to mid Q4 is not really a delay to them.

Of all the quarters, Q4 (by far) is most impacted by when in the quarter a product is released. Christmas season is when retailers/manufacturers make the most money (obviously). You have to release your product at just the right time to catch the biggest wave of sales. Products seem to do best when released in early to mid november, as they can build steam into black friday and through the shopping season.

</rambling>

w00t 2009-11-09 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sharper (Post 369764)
They gave you the best information they had. They might have made the mistake of assuming you were an adult and understood people who answer the phones don't set release dates :)

Yet, surprise surprise, they get told dates by the people who do release the phones.

Or do you think that an entire office of people just pull a date out of their arse and parrot it to multiple people for 3 weeks?

[I'm not saying they lied deliberately, but it's still annoying.]

DannStarr 2009-11-09 15:23

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Nuknuk.... I assume you posted that from your n900?

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DannStarr (Post 369770)
Nuknuk.... I assume you posted that from your n900?

Yep i have made one out of oldvideo boxes and sticky tape i even wrapped it up and did a unboxing movie. :D

w00t 2009-11-09 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369772)
Yep i have made one out of oldvideo boxes and sticky tape i even wrapped it up and did a unboxing movie. :D

How'd you manage the slider keyboard? :D

Oh, and do I want to know what you made your panoramic desktops out of...?

JD2010 2009-11-09 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drm (Post 369762)
You failed by one. Sorry.

I know but at least I was in advance compare to nokia

JBax 2009-11-09 15:29

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Its in Nokia's interest to keep the fans snapping at it's heels ;)

Patience is a virtue and all that...

sharper 2009-11-09 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by twoboxen (Post 369768)
Of all the quarters, Q4 (by far) is most impacted by when in the quarter a product is released. Christmas season is when retailers/manufacturers make the most money (obviously). You have to release your product at just the right time to catch the biggest wave of sales. Products seem to do best when released in early to mid november, as they can build steam into black friday and through the shopping season.

</rambling>

Absolutely and I think the current release date (mid to late November) should be fine for the Christmas market. If it slips past that I'll really start to worry.

I think Nokia will be using more metrics to measure success than just sales for this device though. It's not really a "mass market" device yet as the iPhone and Android are. They'll want to see how happy the people who do buy it are, how many applications get developed by third parties and how people rate the platform's basic features compared to Android et all.

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:29

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panoramic desktops Easy two old bogrolls one on the left and one on the right and two small pencils to hold them in place.

JD2010 2009-11-09 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwannell (Post 369763)
I think we should twitter @PeterMaemo and see where he is at at the moment

Or track him with a gsp or maybe setup a web cam to see the progress of the shipping

rm42 2009-11-09 15:29

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Yikes, the natives are restless....

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d.../Fun/crowd.jpg

sharper 2009-11-09 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 369769)
Or do you think that an entire office of people just pull a date out of their arse and parrot it to multiple people for 3 weeks?

They read what's on the screen out to you. How that information gets there is essentially random and any correlation with the real release date is purely coincidental.

JD2010 2009-11-09 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 369782)
Yikes, the natives are restless....

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d.../Fun/crowd.jpg

you should sent that to Peter

drm 2009-11-09 15:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by x61 (Post 369677)
Someone just beat me to the 2000th post.... well, 2001th, not bad.

You shouldn’t be ashamed. 2001 is a beautiful number and you should be proud.

Mengs 2009-11-09 15:32

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Hey guys... how's everyone doing? I'm back...

before I get to the point, I want to say that I loved the maemo community before I went offline for a couple of weeks and canceled my n900 order.

I'm not here to stir ish up as they would say, but just giving my 2c.

I ordered my n900 back in September and I was promised either week 44 or earlier but definitely no later. After week 44, there were no info on the release and I had to read from talk.maemo/ Peter that it's delayed. Then after a while; my phone operator tells it's November, which was then pushed to December, and then back to today and all the confirmed emails from Nokia UK saying the 9th.

None of this is Peters fault and we shouldn't shoot the messenger, instead I thank Peter for at the very least giving us the information.

All that being said, everyone who has ordered the N900 should really look hard into the marketing team of Nokia. This is not the first time that a Nokia phone has been pushed back. In fact, point me to a nokia phone that was released on the date they promised? (ofcourse I'm talking about the N models and not the 3110 type phones).

Don't get me wrong, Nokia makes great phones but treat their customers like crap. I was promised to the world when I put in my pre-order, and now it's impossible to get anything concrete from Nokia.

Not only do I feel like they lied to me to pre-order the phone, but also feel very disrespected.

I'll admit that the n900 will probably be an amazing phone when it does come out, but there really should be something more to a company than the product they offer. For example; why are people so hesitant to buy from buy.com, instead everyone flocks to newegg? Because they know that they will treated as humans when something goes wrong. Nokia is treating each and everyone of you like chumps right now and probably don't even care about it.

I'm sure that this rant will hardly make a single person cancel their pre-order of n900, and as I watch more youtube videos I have the urge to put another order in. But, what I hope for is that people will learn from their mistake and stop buying nokia phones after this one; to teach them a lesson. To teach Nokia that we are the ones giving our money away and we are the ones paying their bills. Because obviously, Nokia has learned nothing from their previous work.

/rant

JD2010 2009-11-09 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drm (Post 369786)
You shouldn’t be ashamed. 2001 is a beautiful number and you should be proud.

Me I was in advance to be the contrary of the N900

mak 2009-11-09 15:33

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Peter@Maemo Marketing Peter@Maemo Marketing is offline

Last Activity: Today 02:11 AM


no need to write something, peter?

Memolipd 2009-11-09 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meyma (Post 369757)
This is shure - as the 9th. And the 25th too (according to german Nokia site).
As long as they've got our orders they can delay the release as long as they like, and they will do. At least until Xmas. They know that we want the phomputer anyway. If more and more of us would cancel their order, this would be a signal that Nokia might loose fans if they won't hurry. But some of us think tey can have their baby a few days earlier if they hold their order. They think it for weeks already, haven't learnt anything.
This thread is best marketing for Nokia, why shouln't they heat it up by further and further delays?

lol didnt the same thing happen with COD:MW2? all PC player boycotted it and it still is the broken the records with the most pre-orders.

I read somewhere (unconfirmed) that PC pre-orders were 8% of all pre-orders.

w00t 2009-11-09 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369779)
panoramic desktops Easy two old bogrolls one on the left and one on the right and two small pencils to hold them in place.

Hahaha. I was thinking a roll of film, winding onto another roll of film, but yours is less practical and more amusing, so you win :p

w00t 2009-11-09 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sharper (Post 369783)
They read what's on the screen out to you. How that information gets there is essentially random and any correlation with the real release date is purely coincidental.

Who on earth are you kidding? It's not random, it's come from someone, within that company.

I've actually done this before, I know how it works.

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 369797)
Hahaha. I was thinking a roll of film, winding onto another roll of film, but yours is less practical and more amusing, so you win :p

I have 300 out there testing you can pre order for release on 25/12/2009 promise:D

w00t 2009-11-09 15:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369800)
I have 300 out there testing you can pre order for release on 25/12/2009 promise:D

Except that due to feedback from those who have been potty trained, you'll push it back by a month?

twoboxen 2009-11-09 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Memolipd (Post 369792)
lol didnt the same thing happen with COD:MW2? all PC player boycotted it and it still is the broken the records with the most pre-orders.

My canceling of my MW2 pre-order makes hardly any difference to IW, but I feel much better not paying console prices for shait console ports of what could have been the next great PC FPS.

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:42

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If you had a product you want to sell for xmas you would have it out now and mass advertising in place people buy xmas presents now
Nokia n900 you just missed all of the xmas £,$
ah well i suppose you could always market this product for jan 2010 good luck.

Fargus 2009-11-09 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ewan (Post 369701)
We were told that the original delay (from October) was down to some post-summit issues with the software, so really the release should follow on essentially when the software is done, and the technical folks should know about that. There's no reason why it would make sense to piss off so many enthusiastic would-be customers for 'marketing' purposes. If anything there's going to be an associated hit as early adopters tell anyone that will listen that Nokia's customer relations is a total shambles.

Finally, even if there is a good reason for the delay there's no reason not to just be upfront about it - seriously; how is the tight-lipped secrecy helping anyone?

Tehcnical staff will know when they have released their bit to QA and testing. They might even known when it's been signed off to production (though not always kept in the loop). The decision as to when it will ship is a logisitcs issue as much as marketing and frankly nothing to do with the technical peeps other than their initial input.

x61 2009-11-09 15:51

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Is this thread truly going to reach the 3000+ mark before Nokia announces the TRUE release date?


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