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MINKIN2 2012-11-01 18:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Only a professional troll would consider themselves far too important that they are able to pass over an opportunity such as this to have their opinions heard. As we all know, the internet is serious business ;)

And come to think of it... How would a Troll fill out a Questionnaire?

:D

Lumiaman 2012-11-01 18:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I got another message, here it is:

Hi again. I want you to know, that I an not jocking. I am being totally serious. I promise not to put any of your responses on the forum. It is between me and you. But, if I ever do publish the book, I may share it there, but not with any identifying info. If there is any potentially identifying info, I would request your permission before publishing it. The idea is to get your cadid answers to a series of questions so that people can understand where you are coming form. Who knows, you may even gain a few insights about yourself by doing this.

I like the latter part how I will gain insight into myself :)

RM2: I be happy to answer your questions here in public. Why make it private, since you are trying to write a book anyways, it will be public one day or another.

And remember, one man's troll, is another man's enlightment :)


Cheers bud.

mariusmssj 2012-11-01 18:33

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I used to like this thread, Even with all these "trolls" around it was a good thread. Sorry to see it dead

rm42 2012-11-01 18:48

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1288661)
RM2: I be happy to answer your questions here in public. Why make it private, since you are trying to write a book anyways, it will be public one day or another.

And remember, one man's troll, is another man's enlightment :)


Cheers bud.

Lumiaman,

Because this is only the research stage, the fact and data collection stage. Afterwards, I will have to analyze it and see what emerges from it. Then, if I think I have something insightful and worth publishing I will, but not without your permission.

So, by necessity, the questions are exploratory and range broadly in different areas. That is how research is done. However, some, if not most questions are very personal in nature. I think you will be able to be a lot more candid doing it in private.

Look, you don't have to participate if you don't want to. But, I really think this could be a very interesting project for everyone.

Lumiaman 2012-11-01 20:06

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1288666)
Lumiaman,

Because this is only the research stage, the fact and data collection stage. Afterwards, I will have to analyze it and see what emerges from it. Then, if I think I have something insightful and worth publishing I will, but not without your permission.

So, by necessity, the questions are exploratory and range broadly in different areas. That is how research is done. However, some, if not most questions are very personal in nature. I think you will be able to be a lot more candid doing it in private.

Look, you don't have to participate if you don't want to. But, I really think this could be a very interesting project for everyone.


Good luck with your project.

Dave999 2012-11-01 20:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1288665)
I used to like this thread, Even with all these "trolls" around it was a good thread. Sorry to see it dead

Same here now, it's more nonsens than ever since its not even closely related to jolla. It bad all over. Luckly for us, we will have a brand new thread soon, with a brand new sdk and uis to smile at. That can't even the most grumpy-old-my-posts-are-so-good-all-the-time get to the most popular word around here: nonsense.

There are also other sub pages/forums with less members and great info related to jolla. Don't put the name out so all negations find their way to my golden cave.

I'm looking forward to read all this healthy discussions and contribution threads after the 21st. Until then, I see now reason not have a to use this thread in the best way possible. Posting stuff related to jolla and educate the community. Invite all knowledge to this thread as soon as possible. Doesn't matter how big or small. Just share what you know.

rm42 2012-11-01 20:29

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1288691)
Good luck with your project.

Thanks. If at any time you decide to participate, just let me know.

Dave999 2012-11-01 21:01

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Whats intressting is that Jolla don't answering any questions on twitter, but refer to mer all the time. Mer has this, but mer has that. I know jollaos are built on mer. Would it be safe to assume jolla have Zypper as well...I hope they do jolla has that or sailfish has that after announcment.

Akkumaru 2012-11-01 23:19

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jolla does have Zypper, I recently asked them. And yes, they started to refer the OS as Mer. Suspicious if you ask me.

shmerl 2012-11-02 01:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Obviously Jolla uses Zypper if they use Mer. It's good that they stopped their PR based on the Meego name (which is obsolete) and started referring to their base with real name (Mer).

specc 2012-11-02 08:41

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1288666)
Lumiaman,

Because this is only the research stage, the fact and data collection stage. Afterwards, I will have to analyze it and see what emerges from it. Then, if I think I have something insightful and worth publishing I will, but not without your permission.

So, by necessity, the questions are exploratory and range broadly in different areas. That is how research is done. However, some, if not most questions are very personal in nature. I think you will be able to be a lot more candid doing it in private.

Look, you don't have to participate if you don't want to. But, I really think this could be a very interesting project for everyone.

As far as I'm concerned 50% of my. "trolling" is purely due to your lack of humour. The other 50% is me stating the obvious, but the parts you don't want to hear (WP is ok, Elop is not the devil etc etc).

In short, I'm no fanboy of any kind, I just like cool devices. Right now Lumia and WP is the coolest. iOS and Android has grown stale, and only Nokia has some sense of developing fibre left. Jolla is a dead end road - unless they take a very different path, start making stuff for the geek crowd.

danramos 2012-11-02 08:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1288603)

I've clearly let myself go. Negatron Dan doesn't even make the list anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1288665)
I used to like this thread, Even with all these "trolls" around it was a good thread. Sorry to see it dead

Dude, Halloween is over.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1288697)
I'm looking forward to read all this healthy discussions and contribution threads after the 21st. Until then, I see now reason not have a to use this thread in the best way possible. Posting stuff related to jolla and educate the community. Invite all knowledge to this thread as soon as possible. Doesn't matter how big or small. Just share what you know.

How long do you think it will be until Nokia stock plunges to a dollar per share on the NYSE? No wait! Don't answer that. It's probably a better question for another thread.

rm42 2012-11-02 14:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1288875)
As far as I'm concerned 50% of my. "trolling" is purely due to your lack of humour. The other 50% is me stating the obvious, but the parts you don't want to hear (WP is ok, Elop is not the devil etc etc).

Exactly, that is why I want to interview *you*.

Dave999 2012-11-02 15:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
From Jolla's latest twitters its unknown what kind demo they can pull out. What about the sdk is that in a usable state? I hope they show enough of the gui(witch was complete months ago) and together with talk make it clear to everyone to get an idea and how they shall develop application that follows the gesture based flow. I don't want to sit in my boat having more questions than answers the 23.

Might be a right race with Tizen to market after all...

Dave999 2012-11-03 15:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jolla spreading to http://identi.ca/jolla :)

Still waiting for Jolla. Com. But i can feel we will see it very soon.

Lumiaman 2012-11-03 15:10

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1288999)
Exactly, that is why I want to interview *you*.

I think we want to interview too, for blind fanboyism and narrow vision.

erendorn 2012-11-03 16:20

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1288702)
Thanks. If at any time you decide to participate, just let me know.

I'd love to see some research into the subject, but it's probably easier to get ACL on meego than willing subjects for the study :D

good luck anyway

Lumiaman 2012-11-03 16:25

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Where is Jussa hiding now? Where is the product? At least Elop is delivering devices, Jolla is only tweeting.......

Dave999 2012-11-03 16:41

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1289508)
Where is Jussa hiding now? Where is the product? At least Elop is delivering devices, Jolla is only tweeting.......

I'm sure he is relaxing since its weekend, Mybee zipping on a great glas od wine. You know he is not CEO anymore? So it's not his main responsible anymore. I'm sure we will get the device Q22013 or earlier, but why do you care. You have lot of lumias to waste your coins on.

shmerl 2012-11-04 09:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Why was this thread moved to "offtopic"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1289465)
Jolla spreading to http://identi.ca/jolla :)

That's already better than Twitter. Still waiting for them to show some Diaspora* presence.

Dave999 2012-11-04 09:52

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1289780)
Why was this thread moved to "offtopic"?



That's already better than Twitter. Still waiting for them to show some Diaspora* presence.

Whats so good with Diaspora for jolla? what improvments/news does it bring to the table for jolla?
One main stream and one more undercover for those who want that.

Not sure exactly why its moved, but my guess is the complaints about different things instead of discussing jolla, adding stuff related to jolla Too many joined in to complain about stuff instead of things related to jolla universe. Plus the thread is very long. a thread always lose some of the specifics when move in to a giant.

Others with probably say is was becouse I posted to much stuff related to jolla and the area around jolla, but that is what the thread is about. Some say you can't have a healty discussion but if they come to thread a try instead of complayning the thread would be so much better and probably not in off topic now.

Other reasons could be that the mods don't like jolla or to have very long threads in active topics. who knows?

After all it was not that bad after all. All the people complaining seems to dissapeared from the thread :D so the only ones left are they who is truly interested to discuss jolla. Now, if we could only can skip the interview posts in this thread, I think the thread can move on pretty nicely until the 21st.

mariusmssj 2012-11-04 12:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I am quite sue once they unveil the SDK they will also publish it soon, it's common sense to have SDK out before the device is released

Dave999 2012-11-04 13:13

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Yes, the SDK will be really interesting so see how they want devs to build applications for their system and how to distribute it to the public, with availability, api, security and so forth.

Hopefully they will say something about sailfish UI as well, as the mer core already working on n9.


Robert Chambers ‏@RobertChambers9
@JollaMobile Yes I understand that you can not support the N9, but will Sailfish work on the N9?

1h Jolla ‏@JollaMobile
@RobertChambers9 I can say the core parts work already, see #merproject and #nemomobile.


14h Xavier Dumortier ‏@XavierDumortier
@JollaMobile Will there a possibility for unofficial support for the N9 by the community (the kind of support we see on XDA-Developers)?

1h Jolla ‏@JollaMobile
@XavierDumortier Yes, take a look at #nemomobile.

jalyst 2012-11-04 18:08

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1289780)
Why was this thread moved to "offtopic"?

Some users started to get regularly reported for posting total crap (me inc. included at a few points), reggie came along said: "This is off-topic, moving".

Dave999 2012-11-04 20:53

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
There won't be live feed from slash so it's no way to see what jolla saying first hand in real time. .. Buuuuuuuu. Slash dont Livestream anything. The media don't live stream. Anyone visiting? I've asked again becouse we really need someone in place.

Let's hope they grow quickly so they can afford to live stream their events.

Daneel 2012-11-06 08:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Can't believe the trolls have ****ing won, this forum needs stronger moderation.

specc 2012-11-06 15:53

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1290931)
Can't believe the trolls have ****ing won, this forum needs stronger moderation.

This forum is dead. It need undertakers IMHO.

Dave999 2012-11-06 16:00

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Anyone know how you see if a jolla account is official on twitter. Do any of the County jolla accounts have officially connection or Jolla employees. Or is it random heroes wvo created these account. Would be good if we could scramble all jolla twitter country sides and possible jolla sites/forums

shmerl 2012-11-06 16:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I already proposed many times to transfer essential conversations to:

http://opentablets.org/forum/41-mer/

thedead1440 2012-11-06 16:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1291097)
I already proposed many times to transfer essential conversations to:

http://opentablets.org/forum/41-mer/

Your proposal is understandable but really there is no other place that is even 50% of TMO regardless of all the trouble we face here...

Dave999 2012-11-06 16:23

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1291097)
I already proposed many times to transfer essential conversations to:

http://opentablets.org/forum/41-mer/

What you are looking for here is a transfer of power. That is no gain for Jolla or us. Why changing forum and thread doesn't make it better. If you can't create thread here how would be able to do it there?

I was talking about jolla twitter and jolla fan sites.

jalyst 2012-11-06 16:32

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1291097)
I already proposed many times to transfer essential conversations to:

http://opentablets.org/forum/41-mer/

Soon (probably tomorrow) I'm going to start that dedicated thread stskeeps suggested a while back...
I meant to do so ages ago, sorry for the delay, I have a few ideas in mind, this one can remain for idle banter.

Dave999 2012-11-06 17:53

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jalyst, what do you have in mind? Why not wait to the 21st or do you know something I don't?

mariusmssj 2012-11-06 19:22

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Dave wanted to know this:
http://i.imgur.com/DnStp.png

Dave999 2012-11-06 19:27

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Thank You, Marius! Checked with slush, someone checked with engadget... nothing so far. Would be totally awesome if Jolla themself made a stream available.

mariusmssj 2012-11-06 19:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Well I just contacted Slush:
http://i.imgur.com/wNl6t.png

Dave999 2012-11-06 20:12

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http://srv.exbii.com/images/smilies/party.gif http://srv.exbii.com/images/smilie4/party2.gifhttp://srv.exbii.com/images/smilies/party.gif

EDIT: Hope they don't change their mind again And yeah... It's me with the balloon. The red one.

mariusmssj 2012-11-06 20:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1291198)
http://srv.exbii.com/images/smilies/party.gif http://srv.exbii.com/images/smilie4/party2.gifhttp://srv.exbii.com/images/smilies/party.gif

EDIT: Hope they don't change their mind again And yeah... It's me with the balloon. The red one.

It's all down to presenter, So if Jolla chooses to allow it they will have a live stream and a recording.

Dave999 2012-11-06 21:13

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Ok, Sorry! I might took it as a victory a little early. But if jolla decides to pass on an opertunity of a live stream I might buying an iPhone 5 instead...

mariusmssj 2012-11-06 22:13

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1291222)
Ok, Sorry! I might took it as a victory a little early. But if jolla decides to pass on an opertunity of a live stream I might buying an iPhone 5 instead...

if they choose not to stream i will find that EXTREMELY dodgy


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