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Since when was that a news?

I guess you have missed read the jolla homepage?

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No get rid of the android crap is first thing todo. I am sure thats one of the battery drainers. So far my phone atleast holds a day. Probadly because I have no android apps running. Not even dalvik installed...

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One that should have Windows compatibility :)

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Somewhere in this thread a method has been posted to stop the android-related services. But, I wonder too when I close (all) Android apps, if all androidy stuff is suspended at that time as well. I have to applaud Alien Dalvik, as for the most part it just seems to work. But I keep wondering if the privacy leeching of Android (especially if I install google stuff) also "just works".

In other words, can we keep Android locked up in its sandbox?

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Not really the android apps. I have some android apps but I'm not running them that much and I can easily manage a day. I think some pages ago some1 posted a link about the bad-ish battery drain and that it is caused (atleast by some amount) by lack of optimisation as Jolla had to change SoC in the last minute.

My battery drains pretty much exactly 20% overnight without any apps running, even having wifi and mobile data off. And GPS ofcourse off too.

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Damn straight. Sailfish is already less buggy than N9 PR1.0 and in some instances than PR1.3.

Sure, they've lost some features in the comparison but what's there is a heck of a lot less buggy. If they add the missing features in the next few releases with as few bugs I'll be very impressed and it's a sign of a well managed project that quality is more important than features.

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Anyone with a Mac or Windows as neither support btrfs/ext4?

At the moment for all intents and purposes the Jolla doesn't either since it won't auto-mount the btrfs/ext4 formatted card so it doesn't really matter.

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But are you actually even using the phone? Not tinkering, actual use. I mean, talking as if Android is the issue, if it's not engaged, then it won't drain a battery.

If you use the thing as a phone, not as a toy, not as a paperweight, but a real phone that communicates with others, surfs the web, sends pictures to others, answer e-mail, use 3G and wi-fi, actually use GPS and whatever is actually there; then what's your battery life like then?

Without stating how you're using the phone, you could claim multiple days worth of battery life and it's just sitting there, forever alone and not in any real use other than just sitting there.

Be more specific. Explain how you're using. Compare usage patterns, not some nebulous term that mean absolutely nothing.

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This makes me question is any testing for actual usage besides developers were even utilized.

I mean, I know their designers invariably (stereotypically) have Macs. Nobody tested that? Nobody tested a larger than 32gb SDXC card? If so, what do they think would be the consumer friendly answer - mount it, by hand, each time I reboot?

That's about as unorthodox as making calls via Terminal (been there, done that, not exactly Grandma/Mother/emergency friendly)

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I have used Jolla as my primary phone for a week now. I charge it overnight, take it with me in the morning, and it lasts enough to get back home. I have a car charger, but my wife's Android uses it more than the Jolla does. With my typical usage, the battery usually lasts about 10 hours on a charge, which is OK, but not great. I have WLAN and 3G on, GPS off (I seldom need it for anything anyway), Bluetooth on for the earpiece, two email accounts, Facebook, and Twitter chirping away. Voice calls are a minority these days at maybe 5 to 10 minutes per day, plus a few SMS, but there's nearly constant data activity: instant messages, email, web surfing. I find that the battery consumption is nearly constant.

On the upside, the battery display is realistic and rather linear, more so than the one on my previous phone, a Nokia C7. It was disastrous: when it was down to half, there was maybe 20% left. I ended up installing a third-party battery monitoring app to get a better estimate. (The fuel gauge on my present Ford Mondeo is equally optimistic: the last quarter is more like the last sixth...:mad: )

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It's actually pretty funny that you guys are whining about the battery life. It should be common knowledge to know they had to change chipset vendor in summer and have had around little to no time for battery life optimization.

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And what apps are you going to run? Or do you use your Jolla smartphone like a Nokia dumb phone?

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The only downside of the symlink is that the size of the sdcard is not visible :) Other than that works a treat with a 64GB FAT32 card.

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According Jolla only microSD and microSDHC cards are supported. But that doesn't mean that techically capable people cannot make microSDXC cards to work by using some of the methods presented at TMO.

I think Philippe has said that they decided to use MTP and also tested it with Mac before Apple removed support for MTP and third party MTP software.

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Sorry, but that is just another attempt of an excuse. There is absolutely no reason not to support it. As already mentioned:

- it is supported by the software
- it is supported by the inofficial precedent of Jolla (the N9/N900)
- it is NOT some rare use-case
- and last but not least, why making the same mistakes all over again?

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Okay, I think we are going circles here. I have already answered these, and nothing has changed in the meantime.

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I know. Jolla is still lacking WPA EAP.

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And you might get it in the future.

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might? Are you joking?

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I don't have Jolla's roadmaps and I don't have any foresight on their plans. Unless Jolla confirms that they will support that feature in the future, I use word "might". I expect them to implement it.

I'm getting that WPA EAP is very important for you. If you like to get your feet wet, you can download Sailfish SDK and implement your own application for configuring and enabling that feature, and then publishing it to others to try and use. At least you could get a good adventure.

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Fingerpori's take on Jolla. :D

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b.../finger_po.jpg

Fingerpori strips are essentially about playing with words. If somebody is bothered to translate it, go for it. I'm off for the last uni exams this year.

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Okay, I am shooting myself to foot but here we go,
Fingerpori is about dual meanings via playing words.
I guess no fun for non-finnish-speaking.

First buble:
New made-in-Finland "piece" is rather small compared to its features.

second buble:
On the next day ->

The magazine called 'fingerporilainen'
In interview, engineer Heimo Vesa
who/which has a small "piece" (we all understand this haha) and the dual meaning - Jolla is a small piece
----
Jolla as a name is a boat like thingy, also in grammar its an adessive "who/which" or something like that


Sorry, off-topic

Edit. more clarification

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Agreed.

I wonder how difficult would it be to port Harmattan yle-dl and create a Sailfish compatible UI for it? This way we could have native (but non-official) "Yle Areena". In Harmattan we have command line tools and possibility to watch even live Yle shows but no UI :D

Harmattan yle-dl:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85256

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Dont know about the rest of us but the last sw update introduced some more issues for me. Sometimes the settings panel (when minimized) is not showing the icons anymore. Just an empty enveloppe on the home screen.

Also I noticed the phone is getting slower and having frame rate issue (lags) after having it used for a longer time (cache? / android?)

Bluetooth stream sometimes just drops while in a call (carkit) - If this happens there's no way to get the audio back in the phone (only loudspeaker)

I really hope the bug fixes and new features are coming soon (or announced via official channels) as I cant recommend the phone to my friends today. The UI is more 2014-like and works OK but it stops there for me. Still i do believe in the future of Jolla and us joining / helping them on their trip but if i were a consumer saving money over the last months to buy the product so I could use it as my primary device I'd not be so forgiven to them...

This device is simply not ready to be used on a daily base in professional environment. I don't mean this in a bad way but I want to be open and honest to the community...

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Made a ticket to zendesk about the gallery bug, was it yesterday.
~hotfix cant be of type 'fixing things, breaking others'~

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Hopefully get my Jolla today and therefore have a last question.

Has anybody removed Dalvik cache and or apps?
Or has anybody removed DC with apps ?

Reason i am asking is - given that Jolla will progress alot in the coming year - if i only want native Apps in future how easy reliabel it is to get rid off the Android stuff

(btw resetting the phone i can think of myself if someone eas going to reply that :D)

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You do not have to install Android support to the phone. It is optional feature.

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You are articulating what I am beginning to feel.

I remember when I got my N9 when it was launched I was excited and happy to show it to everyone who look and listen, and everyone (more-or-less) who saw it liked it as well. But after a couple of days use I don't really feel that way about the Jolla, although I can see the potential.

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I know that it is optional and you have to install it - and sorry but that was completely beside the question.

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The Android compatibility isn't installed when you get the phone. You can use the phone without installing it at all.

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I have also noticed this.

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Well if you are honest a huge point for discussion is still the Android compability. You need it now for getting people interested in SailfishOS but then it doesn't work 100% and people don't like it.

I think in time it can be a top phone/brand with all native apps, but i do agree it is not yet a mass market device for Average Joe.

Why? LTE / 4G, Calender integration, E-Mail, Browser etc.
I will use for the time being Android Apps (K9 Mail, WhatsApp and Sonos) to replace my SGS2 and hope native Apps will come some (or Sailfish adds more features get rid of bugs) and delete the Dalvik in the long run.

Just my 2 cents

P.S.: I havn't used the phone yet to be honest - i summarised from what i have read yet

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I miss the ability to group contacts (sorry: 'People') together, which I used to find really useful. Am I just failing to figure out how to do it, or is this a missing feature that we can expect to be implemented at a later date?

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Average Joe doesn't need or use many of those. You are talking about technically oriented people, not average Joes.

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My wife works at TeliaSonera and i have some insight about asiakaspalvelu (customer service) - I meant as long as some things (SD Card, Calender integration, etc) don't work reliable out of the box Averga Joe won't buy or recommend that phone.

And for Jolla to become really succesfull it needs wider audience - not us techies who will try to solve workarounds / hacks / tricks.

Just think of deals in China - if Sailfish would be installed to other devices NOW and sold more widely...That COULD go very wrong for our fellow sailors at Jolla. And i DO WANT them to succeed and become an alternative to iOS / Android.

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Do you really think many people are not using Calendar, Mail or Browser & Whatsapp?

wtf

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When I was playing 2 different web video's in 2 different browsers and saw the miniatures displaying the non-full screen video, while the audio streams were mixing, w/o delay or hickup, I had a genuine "this is the sh*t I've been waiting for" moment.

http://sdrv.ms/18ArUtP

Now if I could use the same multitasking potential with applications that really matter to me in the way I want.. I see a winner.. (email, voip, copy/paste, internet radio - upload some media... I am not asking much)


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out of those four, I use the browser ;)

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I did not know that calendar integration was so important to Average Joes. Do average Joes really use email on their phones much other than maybe reading it?

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use email on the phone == reading email on the phone

writing occurs only for short answers in my case.

and that works fine for me on Sailfish :) still some improvements in the application will follow I'm sure.