Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

well if one could turn a beagleboard into a tablet-like, then its not that far off...

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Right on, brutha. And like they always say, "Hardware is the b*tch of software, and your ISP is just another utility." Well, maybe it's just me who says that.

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Well, those points about VoIP, HSPA, and even processors are relevant. And moreso than UI at this point. There's only concepts of UI that we can talk about in this thread that are relevant to Maemo 5. Everything else is based on use of Diablo and conjecture towards what we can see.

Until those other pieces are ironed out, and some defined rules come out of those pieces such as:

- there will be a touchscreen, but what type
- there will be a capable enough processor to do video out, but how so
- will there be a physical keyboard
- and so on...

For us to stay on topic in this thread, those answers would be needed. Nothing about UI/UX was detailed in any notes that came from the summit.

Now, if we wanna start talking about what UI concepts could be present in Maemo 5 (in effect building the bridge before we get to the stream); then either on the Tablet UI Blog, or here in another thread, we can start that discussion.

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Well personally, I think the comments about VoIP are relevant, and the comments about HSPA are relevant (I made some of them), but the comments on VoIP over HSPA are not nearly so.

You are wrong to say that a speculative discussion of UI is not, or even less, relevant. Excuse me, but we have an existing UI with Diablo release, and I am trying to sort out (with all the discussion of moving to desktop frameworks) how that is going to continue to play out; not building the bridge of a new UI before the stream (not that I even udnerstand that metaphor...).

There is plenty of off-topic discussion having nothing to do with Maemo 5 so why are you interrupting my UI in Maemo 5 discussion? If you are not interested in the UI conversation, then simply don't participate in it.

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Interrupting? Uh...

I am only continuing what I started when I began responding in this thread many pages ago.

My opinion is that one cannot talk about UI when the frameworks for making one are not established. There has been very little towards defined hardware and UX goals for M5 that have been given, and therefore any conversation on UI will be full of conjecture from Diablo and other previous experience. Those experiences aren't invalid, they just have no context in the next OS until those frameworks come.

My aim is cohesion when we do get the device in hand; which - according to what has been seen so far of the plans for M5 - is the context we should view things for M5.

Not interrupting, just adding context ;)

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

• The test HW will be open. The final HW won't, but if you are interested in general into OMAP3 based boards, I suppose the TI SDP and the Beagl board schematics should be open. Same goes for Pandora. OK, we have also the cellmo, but that's a Nokia asic and you are not going to see it open anytime soon. OTOH few days ago the implementation for the SSI driver (OMAP-cellmo interface) has been posted to the linux-omap ml.
• the ARM 9 mentioned is in an ST uC:
  http://www.st.com/mcu/devicedocs-STR911FAM47.html
• The ethernet is used to output the measured samples and make them available to a standard PC (due to the high traffic we plan to use an USB2ETH adapter).

Recently we also released a tool for kernel power management debugging:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux...match=launonen

That is the proof that we are really trying to be as open as we can, not just releasing a code dump and running away, but instead making available the very same tools we use.

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

But... is that increasing???

:D

(sorry for the bad joke... I could not resist)

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Fine, provide all the substantive comments and context you want. But my conversation on UI is not O/T and is inappropriate because it's based on conjecture. A lot of the posts here are conjecture or speculation. Your opinion as to what should be discussed is not more important than anybody else's and this is the third post in a row you have purported to say what should be discussed in this thread. As to interrupting... you told me to take my conversation somewhere else - to wit:

"For us to stay on topic in this thread, those answers would be needed. Nothing about UI/UX was detailed in any notes that came from the summit.
Now, if we wanna start talking about what UI concepts could be present in Maemo 5 (in effect building the bridge before we get to the stream); then either on the Tablet UI Blog, or here in another thread, we can start that discussion."

Interrupting was a bit of a polite euphemism when you TWICE IN A ROW said that, in your opinion, the UI wasn't worth talking about and told me to go somewhere else to talk about it even after I politely asked your indulgence in letting me talk about UI.

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

I'd like to ask ALL participants in this thread a few things:

-indulge everyone who engages in reasonable speculation that stems from the original topic. I think we can all acknowledge that it's a pretty broad door.

-try to avoid denigrating someone's position unless of course that position involves trolling. Personally I find the posts that are purely negative and contain nothing constructive to be trolling or very close.

Now, this is Reggie's forum and I'm no moderator-- I'm just asking as one who for the most part is enjoying the discussion... and that includes contributions from SD69 and ARJWright. ;)

EDIT: and yes, I include my recent sarcastic post to be negative... sorry. :D

Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 

Ahh, yes it was slow but somebody at Nokia told me it was because of the software (S70 was it?). They knew the HW would catch up; it was the software fork which evidently did the product in.

We also might not have the iPhone (the large icons on the iPhone gave me deja vu). The 7710 was just landscape orientation instead of portrait.