Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

I wouldn't be surprised if MS start to pay commission to employees for WP sales. It makes sense.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Ummm.. no. :) First, the Google route gives WIIIIDE room for customization despite Google's insisting on a pure Google experience (i.e. Amazon Kindle Fire, Nook Color, etc.). I can't see how the story, as you tell it, is true. Second, Microsoft made SPECIFIC and very firm demands for specifications that Nokia STILL has to adhere to despite the wiggle room Nokia is being given. This HAS been talked about quite a bit already.

So my question still stands unanswered: What map reasons?

As long as they don't try that little trick that backfired in the Zune era---you know the one where they held a press conference with LOTS of reporters and they released the all-new ZUNE HD... and they held a promotional at the event where anyone was invited to turn in their Apple iPods/iPhones/etc in return for a brand new Microsoft Zune HD... And NOBODY (literally) turned in their iDevices for a Zune. heheh.. it was a HORRIBLE backfire for Microsoft at a press event, no less.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

> Well if you think i'm making it up, Go read the press release for yourself. I can't be bother at the moment to go look for them.

Nokia is allowed By Microsoft, To make changes to the CORE Windows phone platform(where allowed) [Notice i said changes, and not customization] ,Nokia is helping to build and innovate, what Windows phone grows into, Not Skins, and not only for nokia devices, But for the whole, Windows phone experience.

> Specs and Innovations are two different things, I'm not windows fan boy, Not android fanboy, Not Meego fan boy, So i'm being objective, You need to see things from different point of views, Yes you like android, Yes google says android is Open source, but at it's CORE, it is not.

I cannot remember why but Maps play a big part of it, think it has to be with companies paying royalties for map useage one of the reasons.

> But you might say, this is a small price to pay No, Not in the eyes of nokia, For Ex (Every-time i say Ex. i mean Example)
OK for Ex. Nokia Paid. 8.1 Billion for Navteq, and provide free off-line maps, which has been improved and refined(this is their biggest selling points), Google maps is a lose of investment..

Task: Find out how Google makes money off Google maps....

> But then you might say, what about Bing maps then?

Task: Find out who supplies Bing maps.

This is for the same reason Apple stopped using Gmaps for iphoto on iOs

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

I can't be bothered finding a press release to cite your own point. For my part, you do realize I pointed out two platforms (Amazon Kindle and Nook Color) where changes (synonymous with customization) in Android were made at the CORE of the operating system (i.e. not just the skins), right? I think I provided a sufficiently lucent explanation of that and your language semantics danced around addressing the clear question I asked given the points I've made. I'm not sure that the openness of Android's operating system (even at its CORE... which, near as I can tell is open enough for Kindle/Nook/CyanogenMOD/etc) was ever brought up as a tangible point of this question about why Nokia wouldn't want to put what you seem to claim is such an excellent mapping program out onto other platforms such as Android. Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?

Aren't you proving here why Nokia Maps should be on MORE platforms, like Android, not less? I'm still not sure you understand your own point.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

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enema of the state dude, :D

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Ok im not going to talk about it anymore because you seek to see things from a subjective point. at first i was a bit angry elop. But i had to read and understand from a objective point. You don't understand because you don't want to. Example. Here are a few questions to think about

Kindle, Ask yourself a few questions, Does the changes on Kindle affect the whole of android as a whole? Or just Kindle?
Please read again, And read the Press Release put out by Nokia and Microsoft.

Why did nokia not Go with Android, the Answer was given by Elop himself.


You don't have to respond, frankly I'm getting bored of this topic. As an end user the market share of nokia, Microsoft or Google is not important to me.

Read the press releases from Nokia and Microsoft and you will understand.

I explained the Mapping Issue so many times, If you don't understand that is OK, I explained the Mapping issue as ONE of the issues. If you don't understand a point there is no need for suggesting peoples argument is wrong, But Everyone is entitled to an Opinion.

Sometimes Silence is best... And so i will be..

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

I think he answered your question already. Bing maps isn't a competitor to Nokias map services. Bing maps are "powered" by Nokia
http://searchengineland.com/nokia-no...ng-maps-108598

Nokia found a business partner in MS because MS needed Nokia, Google didn't, so Google clearly weren't ready to pay Nokia to replace their own successful Google maps. MS was. The real question is why didn't they develop both Android as well as WP7 devices? Probably part of the agreement not to and it probably made sense as a bargaining chip not to promote a competitors OS.

What confuses me is why they plan to become more about devices and maps and abandoned their OS and services sector so badly when Nokia themselves were talking about how ecosystems are more important than manufacturing devices. What is also contradictory is Elops memo about the inability of keeping up with the latest hardware then choosing WP. Clearly we will never get what their plans are because they will never discuss it openly.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

According to the Press release for Microsoft.

According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.

Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

If what you say is true then Elop is a fool and the board is not as wise as you think. As a device manufacturer you would have to be on something really strong to talk both about fragmentation and device differentiation at the same time, it doesn't make any sense. Unless Nokia plan to be the only WP7 manufacturer. I don't think the board is as wise as you think they are unless they have some undisclosed grand master plan because every press release so far has been contradictory and quite frankly stupid.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 

Fragmentation is not a problem IMO the most successful OS on the planet has been so successful due to fragmentation and that is windows. You can have windows XP on a shitty PC or Win 7 on a brand new, no problemo Microsoft encourages fragmentation by supporting XP until 2015, thats 14 years. Even if it was a problem fragmentation is not caused by Google but by the manufacturers which means that Nokia could make as many android phones they wanted and give them as many updates as the wanted new android versions are popping out every 6-7 months.


And you mentioned that being able to change the core of WP(their ability to do that has not been proven yet and remains just elops words which at this point aren't really trustworthy) is a plus for Nokia. So Nokia engineers work on WP to make it better and spends RD money on it so Samsung and HTC can get it for free. That seems like a lovely deal.