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Razumichin 2009-11-09 15:51
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x61 (Post 369808)
Is this thread truly going to reach the 3000+ mark before Nokia announces the TRUE release date?
Yes it will... :(

range 2009-11-09 15:52
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369761)
Thanks Nokia uk for lying to me and various other people well done .
What, your phone wasn't shipped today? What happened?

range 2009-11-09 15:53
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwannell (Post 369763)
I think we should twitter @PeterMaemo and see where he is at at the moment
If you have other stupid ideas, please refrain from posting them. Thanks.

Fargus 2009-11-09 15:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369772)
Yep i have made one out of oldvideo boxes and sticky tape i even wrapped it up and did a unboxing movie. :D
Sorry those two posts in quick sucession cracked me up! Glad to see the wit hasn't departed from the thread. :D

thiswayup 2009-11-09 15:54
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But as I just said. Nokia Retail in Banbury had one in for the staff. surely that means only a couple of days to wait? How do you spell niaive?

nuknuk 2009-11-09 15:54
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 369812)
What, your phone wasn't shipped today? What happened?
Ich weiß nicht

fluido 2009-11-09 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mengs (Post 369788)
But, what I hope for is that people will learn from their mistake and stop buying nokia phones after this one; to teach them a lesson.
I am personally very grateful to Nokia that they have conceived, produced, and almost put on sale exactly the telephone I wished to have. After a few Palm Treos, I got a E61i (when it had been already out for a year or so) and I was very badly impressed by that agoraphobic piece of inferior software that they call Symbian. Very nice hardware, very high-quality. But it is as if the phone came with handcuffs on.

Now, all I see and read about the N900 indicates that at Nokia there is someone with a clue, as regards what a really useful telephone could be.

Thus: do as you wish, but I will buy a N900. When it comes out. The only thing that would make me reconsider is if they were to release a system that was less open than in the pre-release.

draco.bdn 2009-11-09 15:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nuknuk (Post 369818)
Ich weiß nicht
ich auch nicht :p ;)

Pedrolot 2009-11-09 16:02
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluido (Post 369820)
I am personally very grateful to Nokia that they have conceived, produced, and almost put on sale exactly the telephone I wished to have. After a few Palm Treos, I got a E61i (when it had been already out for a year or so) and I was very badly impressed by that agoraphobic piece of inferior software that they call Symbian. Very nice hardware, very high-quality. But it is as if the phone came with handcuffs on.

Now, all I see and read about the N900 indicates that at Nokia there is someone with a clue, as regards what a really useful telephone could be.

Thus: do as you wish, but I will buy a N900. When it comes out. The only thing that would make me reconsider is if they were to release a system that was less open than in the pre-release.
...Or if they announce the specs of the N920, which isnt going to be a bad bet at this rate? ;)

Mengs 2009-11-09 16:07
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluido (Post 369820)
I am personally very grateful to Nokia that they have conceived, produced, and almost put on sale exactly the telephone I wished to have. After a few Palm Treos, I got a E61i (when it had been already out for a year or so) and I was very badly impressed by that agoraphobic piece of inferior software that they call Symbian. Very nice hardware, very high-quality. But it is as if the phone came with handcuffs on.

Now, all I see and read about the N900 indicates that at Nokia there is someone with a clue, as regards what a really useful telephone could be.

Thus: do as you wish, but I will buy a N900. When it comes out. The only thing that would make me reconsider is if they were to release a system that was less open than in the pre-release.
Please refer to the post you quoted and realize that I never said a word bad about Nokia, in fact I praise them for making good phones. But it's their marketing tactics that should bother people, not their phones.

For the record; Nokia makes great phones!, but they treat their customers like ****. And that is the reason I feel that we should teach them a lesson. I don't think there's a single person who is not frustrated with Nokia by now, and if I was running Nokia I'd be embarrassed, but as history has clearly stated; they don't care about pushing dates back nor care about their customers.

YuuDumFuks 2009-11-09 16:07
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i just got it guys! this is it how it went,nokia makes 300 of n900 then they watch how people wants it and TADAAH!!!!then they see that they have a wonderful and amazing phone that thousands of people want!!!so where are all the people that invented the phone??they are making the rest phones?and its a very hard job to make 100.000 phones?how long will it take to make them and ship them to stores??there you have the answer?it goes way up till next year:D

rm42 2009-11-09 16:10
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My guess is that Peter is under orders to be quiet. Think about it. He is just an employee trying to do his job and doing the best he can to make us happy. Yes, the phone is delayed. Oh well. Nokia found some issues that it wanted to fix before releasing it. I am sure Nokia is working hard to get it out. And as I said before, it would be nice of Nokia to give some sort of token gift of appreciation to those that can prove that they pre-ordered before 10-01-09, for example.

However, I find it disturbing that some people here are talking as if their happiness depended on the N900. I have lived happily without it so far and will hopefully go on living happily after it quits working for me in a couple of years (hopefully more). Yes, the N900 will be fun to play with for a little while, but like any toy, after you have played with it for a while it will get old. Happiness is not found in the things you have, but in treating others with love.

RevdKathy 2009-11-09 16:13
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Oh dear. But I have to say it.. tee hee!

I feel very sorry to the people who believed what the customer service people were reading from screens. It remainds me that Amazon swore blind to me that the phone would ship on the 2nd - just 48 hours before changing their minds. It's like that. I knew better than to believe them.

The reality is:

Initial date was set for 26th Oct.

Nokia realised they weren't going to make that.

Peter gave us a date of 'November'. Last I looked, it's still November, no? He also said that we would know from Nokia itself when devices leave the factory. And that devices are not going to magically appear in shops.

Now, unfortunately, Nokia UK is actually no more than a retail arm of Nokia. I had a 'Nokia' employee tell me on the 31st Oct that he could supply one, according to the screen he was reading, immediately. He also told me it had to be returned to Nokia (being too complex for the local experts) every single time it needs a firmware update. That was about when I realised just how much he knew about what he was talking about.

Drones on Sales phone-lines repeat what is on the screen. Optimistic people in warehouses might put their best guess on the screen. But Nokia themselves have said only 'November'. They haven't lied to us. Except that someone did say that they're 'hopeful' for November at one of the flagship store events, which means they may need to set it back again.

I find myself wondering whether the certainty about the 9th actually came because someone at Nokia UK (sales) read it here and saw how certain the people here were...

The device will ship when it ships. Hopefully during November.

Pedrolot 2009-11-09 16:13
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 369837)
My guess is that Peter is under orders to be quiet. Think about it. He is just an employee trying to do his job and doing the best he can to make us happy. Yes, the phone is delayed. Oh well. Nokia found some issues that it wanted to fix before releasing it. I am sure Nokia is working hard to get it out. And as I said before, it would be nice of Nokia to give some sort of token gift of appreciation to those that can prove that they pre-ordered before 10-01-09, for example.

However, I find it disturbing that some people here are talking as if their happiness depended on the N900. I have lived happily without it so far and will hopefully go on living happily after it quits working for me in a couple of years (hopefully more). Yes, the N900 will be fun to play with for a little while, but like any toy, after you have played with it for a while it will get old. Happiness is not found in the things you have, but in treating others with love.
You misunderstand. Not one of us have any issues with Nokia wanting to give out a better device to the public, we all welcome that.

The thing that has pee'd most of us off is that Nokia (especially Nokia uk) have gave us the 9th Nov date on the phones. Obviously they have decided against this but it just feels that they are messing us about and using the carrot on a stick method to keep us interested.

sharper 2009-11-09 16:14
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mengs (Post 369832)
For the record; Nokia makes great phones!, but they treat their customers like ****. And that is the reason I feel that we should teach them a lesson. I don't think there's a single person who is not frustrated with Nokia by now, and if I was running Nokia I'd be embarrassed, but as history has clearly stated; they don't care about pushing dates back nor care about their customers.
Nokia treats its customers really well, the problem is who it considers to be its customers. Nokia is still working in a world where phone carriers are its customers instead of the end consumers. Did you notice the way UK carriers started releasing pricing information recently? That's because they have information direct from Nokia about when the release will be.

Pedrolot 2009-11-09 16:16
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 369839)
Oh dear. But I have to say it.. tee hee!

I feel very sorry to the people who believed what the customer service people were reading from screens. It remainds me that Amazon swore blind to me that the phone would ship on the 2nd - just 48 hours before changing their minds. It's like that. I knew better than to believe them.

The reality is:

Initial date was set for 26th Oct.

Nokia realised they weren't going to make that.

Peter gave us a date of 'November'. Last I looked, it's still November, no? He also said that we would know from Nokia itself when devices leave the factory. And that devices are not going to magically appear in shops.

Now, unfortunately, Nokia UK is actually no more than a retail arm of Nokia. I had a 'Nokia' employee tell me on the 31st Oct that he could supply one, according to the screen he was reading, immediately. He also told me it had to be returned to Nokia (being too complex for the local experts) every single time it needs a firmware update. That was about when I realised just how much he knew about what he was talking about.

Drones on Sales phone-lines repeat what is on the screen. Optimistic people in warehouses might put their best guess on the screen. But Nokia themselves have said only 'November'. They haven't lied to us. Except that someone did say that they're 'hopeful' for November at one of the flagship store events, which means they may need to set it back again.

I find myself wondering whether the certainty about the 9th actually came because someone at Nokia UK (sales) read it here and saw how certain the people here were...

The device will ship when it ships. Hopefully during November.
The most sence worthy post in the thread.

tanekray 2009-11-09 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eikido (Post 369630)
this is the last time i wait or preorder a phone from ANY cell phone company except for apple

I think Apple is playing their cards correct.
What makes me laugh is that this is the first time I've ever pre-ordered anything!

w00t 2009-11-09 16:19
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 369839)
Drones on Sales phone-lines repeat what is on the screen. Optimistic people in warehouses might put their best guess on the screen. But Nokia themselves have said only 'November'. They haven't lied to us. Except that someone did say that they're 'hopeful' for November at one of the flagship store events, which means they may need to set it back again.
Except those optimistic people would have been from Nokia, given that it was Nokia's retail arm drones repeating what was on their screens, so Nokia themselves had actually given a date internally for this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 369839)
I find myself wondering whether the certainty about the 9th actually came because someone at Nokia UK (sales) read it here and saw how certain the people here were...
I find that really, really hard to believe. I don't know whether you contacted them personally, but I talked to a large number of people there (over this and a few other bits and pieces), and the result was always, without exception, the same. Rumours won't do anything close to that.

(This would also probably go against their training and policy of reading what was on their screen, as you already pointed out.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 369839)
The device will ship when it ships. Hopefully during November.
It's still on target for that, sure. The exact response I got was "the 19th", and a close associate of mine also just heard 'next week'.

TenSpeed 2009-11-09 16:23
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To me, the irony is that Nokia unveiled the N900 back at the end of summer, and it was an amazing device, something I truly couldn't live without.

Then they gave me 2+ months to test my theory. Turns out I CAN live without it, quite well.

I'm certainly planning to buy one eventually, when they're not so insanely difficult to get in Canada (at a reasonable price, anyway). But I suspect many impulse purchases were lost. Perhaps this is a good thing?

Alex Atkin UK 2009-11-09 16:24
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 369684)
And none of the Nokia people here can spot that and tell us it's a simple error because....?
Why would they bother? Peter already clearly said that ANYTHING other than an official Nokia press release is not a solid date. So in effect he already made it clear that date was false without the need to keep posting every time someone came up with a new one.

thiswayup 2009-11-09 16:27
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I was told 16th by MPD although I just got in touch coz they wanted my PAC. I asked what the chances of another delay were? To which came back the response I couldn't promise anything. Suddenly 16th doesn't look so clever either.

NvyUs 2009-11-09 16:29
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there will be a press release on the day the device ships that does not mean we wont hear about real dates before hand like with n97 and n97 mini

Memolipd 2009-11-09 16:39
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you guys are all so funny. Does any one have any patients?! I'd rather have a good phone late than a buggy phone early.

Nokia have said Probably November. Can u guys not wait another month? I mean i know the phone is awesome and i as well as all of you will use the 3.5mm jack for more than just headphones its THAT good (and its THAT small ;) )

if anything everyone ranting here is a testament to how awesome the phone is gonna be, and of course providing a comedy read.

JD2010 2009-11-09 16:41
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 369856)
there will be a press release on the day the device ships that does not mean we wont hear about real dates before hand like with n97 and n97 mini
P.S. I got a tip from an insider who says, and i quote, "they're going release the release date 1 hour before they release the phone to give retailers time to email customers about the impending release." .....Suhweeeeet!


from
http://www.amazon.com/its-official/f...&cdSort=newest

Posted on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 AM PST
Last edited by the author 22 hours ago

eiffel 2009-11-09 16:44
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Since everyone thinks Peter is "the man", and I suppose he must be (because he's head of Maemo Marketing at Nokia). Let's see what he actually said:

24 September 2009:
Quote:
...what we announced in the Nokia N900 press release is still the plan, no change: "The Nokia N900 will be available in select markets from October 2009..."
13 October 2009:
Quote:
Maemo 6 alpha SDK in q1 2010, beta in Q2 2010. Happy Waiting! ;-)
21 October 2009:
Quote:
There are a limited number of new Hutchinson 3G SIM cards that require a specific technical SIM card support in the mobile device. Nokia N900 has not originally been designed to support this operator requirement. As soon as we found out about this requirement, we started to work on the solution. A software update for the Nokia N900, estimated to be available by the end of this year, will fix this issue.
22 October 2009:
Quote:
We said at the Maemo Summit that portrait mode for the browser shall be made available as software update by Xmas 2009. I guess we don't want to wait that long for Nokia N900 first shipments? So, portrait browsing in browser will be out later than the first shipments.
22 October 2009:
Quote:
Not Sweden, nor UK, nor US, will get devices before we start shipments.

This information is fresh from Nokia and it takes some time for retailers to update their availability times. We haven't been sitting on this information just waiting for October to end. Otherwise we could have just waited until November, the 1st to tell you.
22 October 2009:
Quote:
In reference to your questions on the expected shipment date of the Nokia N900, let me tell you the latest information from Nokia:

The Nokia N900 is a great example of what we and the open source community have been able to achieve with Maemo software. We are working closely with open source developers and for example, at the Maemo Summit in October, we loaned 300 pre-production units to get more feedback from the community. This feedback is extremely important to us and as such we also want to provide the best user experience with the Nokia N900.

We expect it to start shipping during November 2009.

Peter Schneider
Head of Maemo Marketing
Nokia Corporation
22 October 2009:
Quote:
Ladies, gentlemen,

as much as I love the discussion, are you sure you want to continue these threads endlessly? The day we start shipping you will see a Nokia press release announcing just that. The first Nokia N900 will not magically appear in some shop suddenly, somewhere, sometime, but we will let you know when we start shipping from the factory.

And yes, we've gotten some decent feedback from the community after the Maemo Summit from those 300 devices we gave out with some things we haven't detected in our usual-for-all-devices testing around the world. Some of this feedback, we want to take into account in both the first sales software release i.e. PR1.0 and some in software updates we provide later this year.
22 October 2009:
Quote:
I think I can safely promise you "before 2012"! (Because I will look for another job if this thing soon doesn't leave the factory).
I like that last quote the best!

Regards,
Roger

hypnotik 2009-11-09 16:45
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JD2010 (Post 369864)
P.S. I got a tip from an insider who says, and i quote, "they're going release the release date 1 hour before they release the phone to give retailers time to email customers about the impending release." .....Suhweeeeet!


from
http://www.amazon.com/its-official/f...&cdSort=newest

Posted on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 AM PST
Last edited by the author 22 hours ago
Business day is almost over in Europe... doubt they'd publish a press release after hours.

ceroberts75 2009-11-09 16:45
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well, they have not billed me in the USA yet! :(

so it definately will not ship for us today.

Nitchers 2009-11-09 16:46
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I'm not at home just now, i'm away on a 3 day course so the device not being shipped doesn't bother me. what bothers me is the fact i was told stone cold lies everyday for over a week. The device will come when it's ready i'm fine with that but the lies that Nokia have spun is unforgivable. In a word... cocksockets!

tanekray 2009-11-09 16:48
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaboxergirl (Post 369668)
Maybe I will get mine on my birthday after all :) (but I'd rather have it early)

Seriously, how frustrating is this? if it weren't for the fact that there ARE no other phones out there that I want right now- I would cancel the ****king thing and get something else.... but I guess Nokia know that.
I am disgusted with Nokia's customer relations.
Me too.
..but if that was true and you did get another phone you'd wish you had waited and got one, when it finally does come out.

Try to hold on...not long now...deep breaths!
These messages are messing with my Karma. I will try to forget I even ordered it.

Maybe I'll just get a nice cat instead.

nuknuk 2009-11-09 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 369872)
I'm not at home just now, i'm away on a 3 day course so the device not being shipped doesn't bother me. what bothers me is the fact i was told stone cold lies everyday for over a week. The device will come when it's ready i'm fine with that but the lies that Nokia have spun is unforgivable. In a word... cocksockets!
Never mind m8ty i have made my own see back posts yours is on its way.:D

JD2010 2009-11-09 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitchers (Post 369872)
I'm not at home just now, i'm away on a 3 day course so the device not being shipped doesn't bother me. what bothers me is the fact i was told stone cold lies everyday for over a week. The device will come when it's ready i'm fine with that but the lies that Nokia have spun is unforgivable. In a word... cocksockets!
What will you do, are you still counting how many sleep left? or at wich number will you restart when you hit 0?

YuuDumFuks 2009-11-09 16:50
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phone stores in finland says its week 48 and 50,nokias own webshop says it starts deviliring week 48 and thats in finland..so it goes to december..:(

silvermountain 2009-11-09 16:51
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@eiffel:

Not knowing who 'Peter' is I would think twice, if I was Nokia, before putting him infront of potential customers :)

Also, it's sort of odd to provide 300 loaners with the intention of getting additional feedback - the same month that the phone is about to be released.... It seems like the release date always was unrealistic and I guess that blame should go to the marketing department.

JD2010 2009-11-09 16:52
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Nokia was saying end of october until the beginning of november so when December arrive we will tell them to adjust to end of december on their website

Alex Atkin UK 2009-11-09 16:52
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanekray (Post 369848)
What makes me laugh is that this is the first time I've ever pre-ordered anything!
What makes me laugh is people who say "I will never pre-order from Nokia again".

Can someone please explain to me at which point pre-ordering was supposed to make ANY difference at all to the release date? The only point of pre-ordering is so that you get it ASAP which will still be the case even if they delayed it a thousand times. You are getting exactly what you signed up for, the device as soon as its available.

Nobody made you pre-order, nobody signed a contract declaring that by pre-ordering you are absolutely guaranteed it will release on X date. Unfortunately being told verbally it will definitely release on X date is no guarantee and you should know better than to think it is.

NvyUs 2009-11-09 16:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Atkin UK (Post 369883)
What makes me laugh is people who say "I will never pre-order from Nokia again".

Can someone please explain to me at which point pre-ordering was supposed to make ANY difference at all to the release date? The only point of pre-ordering is so that you get it ASAP which will still be the case even if they delayed it a thousand times.

Nobody made you pre-order, nobody signed a contract declaring that by pre-ordering you are absolutely guaranteed it will release on X date. Unfortunately being told verbally it will definitely release on X date is no guarantee, unless you are planning to take them the court over breach of verbal contract to which there is no guarantee you would win and certainly not unless you can prove you have lost money due to the delay.
what your saying would be true if they never announced a date for pre-order shipments but they did and people ordered b/c they was under the impression they would get it for mid October like Nokia stated, now that date as changed several times people have the right to be pissed off

Erebo 2009-11-09 16:58
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Any news from Amazon USA?

range 2009-11-09 17:02
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erebo (Post 369887)
Any news from Amazon USA?
Nice joke.

goodfellabk718 2009-11-09 17:12
Re: N900 shipping delayed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hypnotik (Post 369868)
Business day is almost over in Europe... doubt they'd publish a press release after hours.
um, you do realize I was joking right?

PhilE 2009-11-09 17:14
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17 minutes until close of business here in the UK.

I'm not going to cancel my pre-order, because sods law says that if I did, Nokia would ship the day after! :D


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