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For once, we agree on both points. (Although, I own both--and still do.) Frankly, there's very little else left to really talk about on a daily basis on talk.maemo.org that's relevant to the end users that joined here over the years. All that Nokia's basically leaving us with is with a deprecated OS we can't upgrade, on aging hardware that we can't upgrade, and a brand name to watch sinking in the stock market as it makes all the most stupid, wrong decisions) :)

Welcome to talk.maemo.org, new people! ...If there's such a thing anymore.

It's Windows Vista all over again! ...And Microsoft Kin all over again! ...And Microsoft Zune all over again! ...And so on and so on. :) What? Just saying--they've dumped money into stuff like this before and failed miserably. Man--I remember how HARD they pushed that Zune. Remember when MS forbid Apple products on campus and Balmer even forbid his family from owning Apple-anything? Didn't that work out AWESOME for them? I'll bet they're still totally rockin' Microsoft Bob somewhere in that home!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S1R_C8a6aN...s1600/Fail.jpg

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wait until Mircrosoft gets their desktop OS into the mobile market. That could kick you all from your high horses :D Starting with Surface Pro. Let's hope nokia could come up with somthing simular and ride on the wave.

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If you started arguing facts with objective reasoning, instead of personal attacks you would feel better? maybe?

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[OFF-TOPIC]Absolutely not.[/OFF-TOPIC]

Nope. WP marketshare in Izmadeupkhstan is way, way lower. After all, the N9 was released there. :p

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High horses LOL :D They feel "invincible" now, but ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj...eature=related

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Nokia are buying Scaldo personnel and technology - http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_comple...-news-4558.php

Rumours of a WP8 Lumia with Pureview are growing. I won't be buying one regardless, but I could see it doing alright on the market.

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So my objective reasoning for why your numbers have no bearing on the discussion was not enough, or did you not understand it?

I will feel much better if you would stop constantly posting wrong information and playing the victim when people dispute your claims. Either discuss something properly or refrain from doing so at all.

There is only so much patience one can show, from then on they will mostly ignore you if you act the bigot and constantly play the victim card in a discussion. I've passed that stage already, so don't feel offended by it.

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Well, then dispute my numbers, offer some better numbers, anything. You got nothing so far. Nada, zero. Stop playing smartass, start reasoning.

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The Surface Pro will probably not sell that well, Surface may sell a few million. The Surface Pro may have strong initial sales but sales will decline more rapidly than the ARM version. I doubt MS will release split sales, if any figures at all, so not that it matters. Definitely doesn't matter much to Nokia anyway.


I don't need to nor do I care to dispute your numbers because it was you disputing somebody's use of statcounter with an irrelevant non-cumulative sales number. That non-cumulative number cannot be used to disprove statcounter because they are showing different things. Not only that but it was also from one carrier over 1 month yet you still had the audacity to dispute reliability of the sample on somebody else's data. I merely pointed out your very bad error in using irrelevant numbers, i.e. I already disputed it but I'm not saying the numbers are wrong, only that they are irrelevant to what you were disputing.

Now welcome to my ignore list. Feel a sense of pride for being the first person on it.

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This is no magic. In Finland people get a new phone every 18 months. Each month 1/18 of the population buys a phone, roughly 5%. The lumia has been out for 4 -5 months. This means 20-25% has purchased a new phone while the lumia has been around. Now, 1/3 of that is around 8%, which is what statcounter shows. 1/3 of all the new phones is of course roughly 30%.

It all adds up, but you are either too stupid to see it, or too lazy too found out by yourself. The same goes fir Volt. IMO you are simple clouded by , I don't know what exactly. Too bad you put me on ignore, you won't know the truth :D

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i don't know what specc's agenda is, but he clearly has one. Manipulation of random numbers, stats from nowhere and straight out fabrications. If it's trolling for amusement or just to stirr up some FOD, I don't know and I leave it to others to find out. It has not the slightest thing to do with truth.

I am following cue's example and doing the sensible thing. Ignore list.

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NOK has had a bumpy few days since the 16th, jumping up and down. It appears they're not falling at the regular speed, it's been more or less going up and down in the same range for most of July. 1.63 to over 1.90 and back.

Currently 1.78 but hardly a flat graph. I guess this is a good trend compared to the steady falling.

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So available statistics and basic left hand correlations are "random numbers and manipulation" ? LOL :D You guys :) Who's got an agenda?

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These up and down gyrations don't mean a thing. Nokia's share price is so low now that the stock is subject to speculative play and even price manipulation.

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It's disappointing that you're still here, but whatever. Regardless, you should leave the definition and meaning of numbers to others, 'cause you suck at it. While leaving out some of the bottom feeders, here's the Finnish picture by OS:

Attachment 27491

Oh look! People in Finland swapping a Nokia phone for a Nokia phone! Who would have guessed! Now, drill into that dense, trolling skull of yours that the average percentage of new phone purchases does not equal the average market share. And by the way, the average Finnish WP market share from February to June is 6.24%, not 8%, so your bogus number of 30% would actually be 22.5% [.0624 / (5/18)]. But once again, for the people playing at home: 6.24% != 30%.

And nice try cherry picking the small, proud country of origin. Very meaningful.

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ABC of market share vs user base for daperl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installed_base

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Oh... I get what you're doing now.

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Lies, damned lies, statistics, web statistics.

Reading too much into web counters. For example, I would be willing to bet quite a lot that S40 has considerably higher marketshare in Finland than in that figure. There's really no reliable single data point for web traffic. Can be highly skewed due to many purposes. Even Nokia itself doesn't use those figures in corporate propaganda. Mynokiablog using those webstats based on a single source just shows how desperate Nokiafanbois are becoming. They are starting to make Applefanbois look like rational scientific minds. As Nokia sinks, its fans start looking like a cargocult.

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Whoops, looks like someone didn't get the point. So once again, the ABC's of inequality for ericsson:

6.24% != 30%

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Must say, it's pretty pointless adding somebody to your ignore list because you see their reply in other peoples quoted posts. Even highlighted in red. Add to that the fact that almost everyone is talking about speccs posts and it makes it hard to follow the thread.

Seems he called somebody stupid along the way. After talking about personal insults that's hypocrisy at its best.

He has treated the data from the 1 carrier over 1 month as an average for previous ones for the entire nation and despite every effort to tell him about the poor reliability of doing so it seems he will not get the drift. Why he wants to use several bad estimates to try and match another empirical value is beyond me too. Perhaps he thinks the increased margin of error will help his cause.

You will have a hard time knocking any sense in to him. So please stop replying to his posts, it will make this thread easier to follow for others.

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You don't really need to analyse this at all. 8% user statistics on Statcounter does not just pop up by itself. Common sense say this has to be caused by a market share much larger than 8% simply because the Lumia has been available for such a short time. This 8% is about 5-6 times larger than Europe at large. For iOS it is the opposite, iOS is cumulating the user base over several years and even with a sharp drop in market share, this will take time to show.

Statcounter is no exact science. There are all kinds of skewed stuff going on. For instance, iOS users use the internet more than S40 users, the counting itself may be wrong and so on. But there is no huge difference between iOS, Android and WP users. And statcounter does not count WP users different i Finland than other places.

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When a troll starts using statistics and calling people stupid (you, in-fact), I sometimes like to see what's going on, so I decided to take a look at his numbers, and sure enough, he's an idiot. And sorry, but I'm going to quote this tool one more time:

I reported this permanently banned user's "stupid" post and I'm moving on now.

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Apple didnt live up to the expectations for Q2. First time in years, but still a good result. But apple is on the slide. And after that comes android wich still hasent peaked yet. Nokia just need to get new stuff to market. Apple will lose more when windows ans android eating market sharest the comming year.

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I'm still not sure why we're all arguing statistics about market share and user base as though that's the whole point of the thread, when the whole point of the thread is about Nokia's stock price. It doesn't take a financial genius to point out that we don't appear to be seeing any kind of winning trends in any respect, in any dimension, for Windows Phone as a whole and far more dire trends for Nokia in particular. I haven't said much in reply because, ultimately, we can just simply sit back and watch the story unfold. Lumiaman/Ericcson/Specc's erection-worthy posts in favor of the switch to Windows Phone platform over the past year haven't born any fruit so far.

Why argue so vehemently? Just let the story unfold. Let's watch the stock values and let's see how much more foolish their grandiloquence will look as time goes on.

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Lalalala

I go jolla

**** nokia

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Apple isn't in decline. Users are just waiting for iphone 5.

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You are right, I'm not sure why. I guess in the end I kind of got fed up of others discussing something only to read "why are you haters" as a reply from him, only for people to discuss further and hear "dispute it then if you got anything". It was like talking to a brick wall. I was trying hard to have a discussion through most of it until the very end where patience ran out. Will not happen again with now that I have an ignore list.


I think at the same time Apple is feeling the pressure from the SIII. I'm sure there are a lot of people waiting for the iPhone 5. I think that shell leak was no coincidence. It was to generate iPhone 5 buzz and exactly timed for the SIII launch. With any other Apple leak somebody's head would have rolled too, or maybe Tim Cook just doesn't care as much about leaks.

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Not yet, but the snow ball is in motion...But some jumping ship and when Iphone 5 appears they will still lose some market shares. Slowly at first...then faster!

in 4 year, it will be Nokia status. You know where you read it first!

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I guess it's early to determine if the SIII really has any effect, we'll only be able to see that after the Iphone 5 has arrived. But Apple revenues and market shares have been better than I like the last year or two.

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Apple just can't resist the urge to do an Osborne themselves either (sort of inverse Osborne actually): http://www.gsmarena.com/next_iphone_...-news-4552.php

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Nokia stock at the moment is just a nest with speculation and manipulation. It will go up and down, but as an average it will stay put until some real news comes along, news about WP8 and Asha. Besides, as earlier stated, 85% of Nokia stock is in "safe" hands, they have not gone anywhere for the last 100 years, and are not likely to go anywhere now (the stock market doesn't care either way about that though).

So, what is happening in the phone industry? Clearly statistics shows WP is getting a hold. Not a firm grab by any stretch of the imagination, but instead of just one little finger, it is now holding with two stronger fingers. All this is thanks to Nokia. If you study statcounter, look at weekly charts, WP is at 13% now in Finland. It will climb some more, but not much due to WP8 coming. Symbian and iOS has peaked in Finland, Android is still going strong. Germany (for instance) is very different. iOS has peaked there as well, but this is mostly due to Android since WP is only at 2%, too small a number to interfere. But it has increased steadily.

What is happening? Finland is the precursor. WP8 will eat into the Apple, Android will be unaffected (for some time). This is also what operators want and what Samsung, HTC etc want. This will happen.

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I don't know how long these temporarily generated images work... I think they work for some hours... But here's the current 5 day view for NOK1V:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...d0441291dd.png

NokV1 is in Euros.

This indicates today may be a good day for Nokia, building on a good day yesterday.

Here's yesterday's NOK:NYSE to compare with:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...92e8ca9241.png

NOK is in USD.

With these variations I bet it's possible for shorters to earn a bit.

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Just as a comparison, a coworker were ready to sell and cash in on Funcom... But he couldn't quite let go of it...

He should've.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...1752f1969b.png

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I love that when noka stock goes up, you are all quiet, but when it goes down, you are all quick to point it :D

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Trend is down. People are mostly just pointing out record lows. There hasn't been any real upturns for NOK for long time now. Just dead cat bounces. Typical for dying penny stocks.

"Even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height"

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Finland isn't a good country to base on. It is Nokia's home country and people there tend to give Nokia chance out of loyalty or pity. This is the only country in Europe where Lumia hasn't done too badly but it is not typical for Europe.

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Why is Elop still in charge? What are the share holders doing?

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That's true, the iPhone sales this quarter did fall short of estimates though. Partly due to several leaks in May coinciding with the SIII launch. Whether those leaks were planned or not I guess we will never know but somebody might of thought that stealing their thunder and extending the "Apple Pause" this year was within their interests if they predicted that the SIII was popular enough that people might defect. As a result some analysts increased their estimates for the next quarter instead, they simply shifted their sales.

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Pretty sure I hasn't been quiet about anything going up. Pretty sure I have linked to the graphs with actual values of actual numbers, regardless of if they're going up or down. Maybe someone talented in looking one page back can find some documentation of me saying something and linking some graph to back up my claim, even when Nokia wasn't going down just this morning. If I'm not mistaken.

But help me get something straight. This is going up? Wow, I didn't realize that. Apart from a couple of extra bad days where it was messing around with 1.40 and briefly lower, it's never been worse than the last week. 1.82 now? 1.84 was a new record low July 10th. Here I was thinking we were seeing a flat period with lots of ups and down, but I realize now thanks to your helpful helpfullness that I'm supposed to think of it as going up, somehow.

And I didn't realize I was beling all quiet. Sorry about that.

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Just ignore posts like that. They lead nowhere meaningful. You and Kojacker have been posting prices regardless of it going up or down. Some people just enjoy fighting the tape (Lumiaman especially) and are expecting any fluctuation to mean a turnaround this soon.