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I haven´t seen this part covered/translated:
After they lost the ST-Ericsson deal they had to redo the product in many ways in just half a year. "That meant quite a lot of work. If you think what has happened since the spring, a lot has been accomplished. If you compare that to the amount of features still missing, I wouldn´t be that concerned over the fact that the software is missing some features at this moment."

The writer also speculates that the devices showcased at Jolla Love Day were still based on ST-Ericsson.

I would interpret this to mean that they are capable to implement quite a lot of the missing features quite fast. The biggest obstacle might be just those FB-lawyer kind of things, where the solution/s are not up to Jolla.

Smaller detail: Pienimäki now thinks that they should have included more apps in the phone right from the start, instead of letting the user download just those he needs. They were divided on this issue within the company and the "philosophical" side (let the user decide) won.

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Cool...Love that approach....Compare that to the bloatware of Samsung / LG / Sony and whoever...Jolla 2 thumbs up

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Well, I don't know. Of the applications you cite, I regularly use the browser.

I used to have email configured on N9, but I get too many mail messages, and it would be too much of a distraction to use regularly, I prefer using a PC for that.

As for the calendar, I only check it for vacation time...

This is going to be my personal phone; I do not want work related stuff on it at all.

I think I am going to be happy with it. And many people will be as well.

Of course, if the hardware is sound, software may be improved, and your use cases could be served in a few months, as well as mine.

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The Android virus is already spreading on the Jolla store:

New: Military news: the military news App for Android offers important and breaking news for all U.S. Military departments.

Seriously? If I need to know which dictatorship to democratize next I 'll be sure to find the right App for that in the Google junk store.

Does anybody know how and why these seemingly random Android applications get headlined on the Jolla store? Is this intended or spam?

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Battery life: today, with light to moderate use, my Jolla seems to be burning about 7% battery per hour

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Jolla is opening portal for co-creation during this week:

http://mobiili.fi/2013/12/19/jolla-a...alla-viikolla/

(Article again in Finnish)

Portal (together.jolla.com) is targeted for Jolla's users/customers to:
-Discuss and vote about new features they would like to see in Jolla.
-Report problems.
-Provide ideas.

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And seems that they have also opened their shop for all users (i.e. not only for pre-orders) in EU:

http://mobiili.fi/2013/12/19/jolla-a...ansa-kaikille/

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That's a very good idea indeed. Hopefully in English as well. :)

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Actually there are a lot of people that do not care about mail, calendar or Whatsapp.

I mean there is webmail and sms...

It is not because you work like that, that the majority does. I know tons of people like me who don't use the calendar on the phone ever for example.

Which does not mean that they should work as good as possible of course.

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A small experience write-up on my first day with the Jolla (coming from n900 comparing to it):

+ gorgeous display and vivid colours
+ fast program starts
+ phone quality
+ swipes

- UI (in-)consistence. Sometimes swipes to the left to confirm an action don't work [eg. create a new email account], instead I have to press the "save" in the upper right corner.
- phone call from a new/unsaved phone number. Saving it directly to phone book (people) will automatically use that number for "Home", can't be changed to "Mobile" but has to be done (typing) manually.
No idea what that "link" does?
- (might have not found it yet) lack of copy & paste
- the email app from the Jolla Shop automatically loads pictures for html mails, no options to disable this behavior (found).
- double tapping the screen to work with the Jolla always ends up on the start screen. I'd prefer to see the last screen I was working with.
- I'm with those that want to see connections/battery percentage on the first screen, no need to pul the info up from the bottom for that.
- android apps (only tried to install XPosed Framework with XPrivacy and Whatsapp) won't work. see
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=24
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=27
- maybe rather an android problem than Jolla's but I don't like to register my phone to several sites to download apps!
- the browser is not very useable to me with its UI, also where are the files I've downloaded going to? Right now I have to use "Documents App" from Jolla Store to access them. No Idea how to delete those from system though.
Landscape modus seems mandatory to me (personal preference).
Also search engines are limited to Google, Bing and Yahoo.
- battery usage is around ~7%/hour without doing anything except email check every 30 minutes automatically. No other services running in background. Looking at the screen 3x within 60 minutes for 30 seconds incl. swiping around. That's a little bit much battery drain.
- with a missed call/new email on the 1st/main screen I can't simply tap it to go open up that missed one. Have to swipe to the app and open it to see details.
- no general security options for the Sailfish OS/Alien Davik present.
- speaker should be louder for telephone calls and mobile on the ear.

At this point I'm better with my n900, though it's way slower and misses the great screen. ...and I'm with those people saying that I was not aware of a beta OS to be handed. I give Jolla credit for what they've done since the SoC change but it doesn't cut the mustard for me yet.

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Finally received my Jolla, here's my first impressions:
- Feels nice in the hand, not too heavy, though a bit large for me, I'll have to get used to it.
- The screen is very nice, colours are good, it's a traditional RGB stripe, not pentile, the resolution doesn't bother me.
- OS feels smooth overall
Some annoyances:
- I'm not very convinced of the pulley menus, it will take some time to get used to it
- I synced it to the N9 over bluetooth, but I couldn't find how to initiate the sync from the Jolla, had to do it from the N9; also it only copied the contacts, not the calendar events and notes.Birthdays did appear, but over two days due to a timezone messup (but also had this problem when syncing N9 to Funambol using SyncML).
- The volume rocker doesn't control the ringing volume like the N9, I guess Jolla wants us to use the ambience instead, although configuring the ambience isn't as intuitive as I would like.

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Yes, I know many average joes that don't use calendar, whatsapp or even browser. Many of them still use mail and sms.

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Many of the average joes don't call customer services. They ask their relatives to help out with their smartphones. They hate calling the customer services of phone companies because they don't understand what the customer services are talking (too technical) and because some of those customer services start selling extra services.

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I'm not using calendar. Well...I do but pretty much only to check what week of the year it is. Also I do have whatsapp but I have used it...once? maybe twice. Mail I only set up on every phone for checking tracking info on orders, never sent a mail from phone.

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In the press release actually: https://jolla.com/media/documents/13...ss_Release.pdf

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If you have multiple records for one person, you can merge them with link command.

It is there but limited on some applications like Email app.

Hmm, my Jolla is very loud when calling. I had to lower the volume.

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Ok, I have to apologize for the slighly negative tone of this message. I do understand that the Jolla developer group is small and not all the features can be ready when it's still in the beta stage.

Migrating from 1½ year old Samsung Galaxy S2 (rooted, with custom AOKP firmware) with extended battery. Still having 1-1½ days of battery life with my normal use.

My current grievances and main reasons for not using the Jolla as my daily driver:

- lack of Google Calendar (this is a must)
- lack of Wifi Hotspot (I saw somebody mentioning console hack for USB tethering, and it should be adequate for laptop use, but I'm using also wifi-only iPad and thus need the Wifi. Also I don't want to carry USB cable around to connect my laptop to internet. I'm travelling a lot and there aren't always free wifi connections around )

MInor annoyances, but not really deal-breakers:
- slight stuttering when scrolling around. This happens everywhere, not just on browser but also when scrolling up/down "System settings". For now the SGS2 seems more fluid and responsive.
- the scrolling is slow on browser (i.e., i cannot speed up the scrolling speed with subsequent swipes and so scrolling around large web pages is annoying).
- lack of horizontal view on browser
- volume rocker button on my Jolla seems quite flimsy, there's ~ 0.5-0.8mm of leeway in the direction of front-backside. Haven't found any mention of this in earlier posts, so can somebody please confirm is this normal or should I RMA it? The power button seems ok.
- the hollow backside because of the Other Half makes the phone feel quite cheap. I should find something to stuff the phone with. maybe Blu-Tack (sinitarra) :)
- I miss the smart dialing system on my current phone. I'm not sure how to describe it, but let's try: To phone "john", i just dial 56 (jkl, nmo) and it starts making suggestions from the contacts list based on those number/alphabet combinations that they match. It's so much faster than selecting "J" and then scrolling around the contacts. Also it's a free search, so it matches all the fields. Is the contact list categorized based on surname or first name? It should't matter!

I do hope that these issues will be resolved pretty soon, and if I'm mistaken and there are already solutions, please do correct me.

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So in fact you're using mail ;)

And come on guys: I've written: "calendar, mail OR browser"
Most people are using one or more of these applications.

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Well, Marc Dillon was tweeting just a few days ago that:

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Apple never removed support for MTP. OSX doesn't support MTP in the OS directly.

What they apparently broke is Google's Android File Transfer program at http://www.android.com/filetransfer/ which no longer works properly under OSX 10.9. It contains it's own libmtp library and USB libraries.

In my experience of it, it never worked that well under previous releases of the OS either with official Android devices such as my Nexus 7 and an old HTC. It's been stuck at v1.0 since release.

I presume at some point Google will fix their app if possible but I don't see how Jolla can be relying on Google to fix an app so Jolla's customers can use a USB cable connection. On the N9 we had 'Nokia Link' on the Mac which wasn't too bad for a piece of Nokia Mac software. There were some complete stinkers over the years.

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Indeed if you find my post this is what I said. Apple broke MTP programs, not removed the support..It worked fine with the file tranfer app which we deemed good enough to deal with the "Apple not supporting common standards" problem.

Unfortunately there are no resources to write apps for random Os-es out there. Which is also why we do not support Windows XP either explicitly (although it works there with some convincing and updates)

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I forgot to ask: does this mean that you can put the phone down on any flat surface without fearing the glass touching it, avoiding silly scratches? This isn't quite obvious to appreciate from any picture I've seen. Please say yes :-)

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I personally don't use Whatsapp.

In my job looking after web and mail servers I come across customers who do not use mail on their phones or desktops at all. They'll use gmail or my IMAP mail through the web interface as their scared off trying to set up a mail account with server names, port numbers and authentication.

Same goes for calendars. Honestly, I think some smartphone owners just use them for games/apps and completely miss out the PIM stuff as they can't figure out how to set it up if it's not handed to them in a one click and you're done UI.

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I appreciate you have limited resources but it's obviously a bit of a gamble ceding an important part of the user experience to Apple and Google in this way.

I doubt anyone would expect Jolla to support Windows XP which is due to exit paid-for support next year (finally). The latest version of OSX however isn't a 'random OS' and since we're dealing with early adopters, non-business users and geeks there's probably a disproportionate amount of Mac users in Jolla's customer base.

As I said earlier, I'm ok with transferring files via sshfs over wifi but that's not really going to wash with less technical users who are used to just plugging a cable in.

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The display is not flush with the chassis top/bottom, as these areas (chassis top/bottom) are raised meaning the display is ever so slightly below it. But we're not talking a great deal, sub-1mm difference probably, and barely imperceptible. The difference might even be due to manufacturing tolerance. A small piece of grit on a desk would have no problem touching the display, despite the raised chassis.

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So smartphones are used as dumbphones and/or games by many users.
But for these users I guess Jolla is the wrong decision (-> games: iOS or Android)

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Totally. I've borrowed iPhones from family members that when you go into what they use it'll be...

Phone
SMS
Twitter
Facebook
Games
Snapchat
Instagram

They'll use gmail in the browser, enter their contacts twice in their phone and PC and the same with calendars.

I know someone with both an iPod and an iPhone because they weren't aware the iPod was redundant and you could sync your music on your iPhone. But also they're designer brand whores and it's two logos instead of one.

Some people just don't deserve smartphones. ;)

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Unfortunately even plugging a right cable in is too much for many ordinary people that own smartphones :(

One feature that many ordinary people like in smartphones is the camera.

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That is already available with Jolla for Google's paying customers.

Hopefully Jolla will soon support CalDav and it works with Goole. I don't currently use Google's calendar put I might be interested to use it for some use cases. I would also need better multicalendar support to actually use Google calendar :)

Unless there is a hardware limitation somebody will probably do that. Hopefully it would also work with Nexus 7 (infra vs ad-hoc).

Both volume rocker and power button has that problem on my Jolla.

I'm not sure what you mean.

I would like something like that also for Email app's move to folder feature. I have lots of folders so it takes forever to scroll to the right one if the name of the folder is in the middle or the end of alphabets.

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Use WPA2 AES! It's good for gaming and good for everything, now move on guys!

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With the hollow back I mean there's some clearance behind the Other Half and the main phone, so the whole device isn't as sturdy as it could be. Also tapping the other half with your fingers makes kind of hollow sound. It makes the phone feel little bit plasticky and cheap. But like I said, it could be fixed by stuffing the space between main phone and the other half with some kind of filling, for example Blu-Tack. Same fix could be done by squeezing tiny bit of it on both sides of the volume button to prevent it from moving around sideways.

I hope people at Jolla consider these issues when planning the next HW version. Or they could ship the phone with a extra piece of Blu-Tack for modding purposes :D

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Jolla User Experience:

First expressions

Package was nice. Nothing special. Charger feels a bit cheap, and cable too, being used to Nokia's stock accessories.
The device feels solid and sturdy, love the design. The front of the device leaves a very good impression, a sense of high quality is felt immediately. Buttons too feel great & high quality.
The back cover feels a bit cheap & plastic in its own, but when attached to the device, the feeling vanishes. Apparently “the whole is more than the sum of its parts” in this case too.
The clipping mechanism also feels good & sturdy but only time will tell if it will remain so. The device feels a tad too big in hand for one-hand-usage, but maybe that's my personal preference.

The OS and UI: I've now used the device for more than a week, and the general user experience has been fantastic. This is the first touchscreen device I own and have been left wondering how the navigation could be implemented in any other way in a mobile phone; it's so fluid and FAST (especially fast). Peek-gesture is very useful, switching between tasks is seamless and fast. Covers, if done correctly, is very useful. But that's enough complementing, now the constructive criticism.

Starting from the pin screen, why not swipe to accept?

Music player: I have all my music I want to listen in my SD-card, the stock player won't automatically move to the next track when the current one is over. Annoying and I hope this'll get fixed. Also a great number of tracks can't be played. My heeadphones with inbuilt volume controls in cords works fine which was a pleasant surprise though

Ambiance (& camera): I'd like if the camera could be set in a way the WHOLE pictures taken would show in the screen and not just the middle of it. Also the ambiances from my Other Half covers won't install; or they are installed, but only show some weird stripes as a picture. Just tested that the ringtone does change when Poppy Red TOH is installed. It's just the pictures won't show correctly. Also there have been some weird device reboots & retype pin scenarios when the Poppy Red Half is attached.

Mail: I haven't been able to test this yet because I incorrectly entered my mail account settings and haven't found a way to reset & correct them yet. Yes I have tried uninstalling & reinstalling and searched from the application settings.
thanks @att for pointing the right settings!

Web-browser: Not good yet. Typing text in the text boxes is problematic. Navigation is clunky. Tabs re-load when moved to which I find annoying. Suggestion: Why not implement some faster way to move between tabs & type to address bar. Maybe long press anywhere to activate the swipe-to-change-tab-and-type-to-address-bar-mode? I mean we don't need a separate window for that IMO. Maybe only bookmarks need a separate window. And of course: landscape-mode :).

Call-UI: Pulley menus are cool: why not use them when the call is on too? I feel with this kind of UI there should be as few buttons as possible. Oh, and the call quality is very good if not excellent.

Clock: I'd like if it could be implemented that when the alarm plays (wake-up alarm for example) the core gestures would be deactived so you could only snooze or close alarm. Hoping this is possible and not too hard to implement :).

Battery: When the battery drops below 10% the device starts to lag. A lot. The energy usage I hope could be made better, battery doesn't last long enough.

Maybe I've forgotten something but that's all for now. Sent from my Jolla (used the Jolla's default notes app to type & copypasted).

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I haven't noticed this kind of problem. I tapped "All songs" and selected "Shuffle all". It automatically moves to the next tracks without any problems.

I have tried MP3, WAV, FLAC, OGG and AC-3. It has played them all without problems except AC-3.

Settings app: Accounts, long press the account and tap delete, or tap shortly the account and edit settings and when you are ready swipe from right to left.

I haven't notice the lagging in that case. Hmm, I have to start following.

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I'm not interested in gaming. I'm interested in using a well established, world wide common standard.

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Hmm... dunno what's wrong with my device/music files/SD-card then...



Ok, I should check what type of files my tracks are. They should be mp3 as far as I know...



Ohhhh... it's there, how could I missed that:o Thanks!

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Who use the WPA anymore anyway? WPA2 is safer.. So why you drive an old bike, when you can have new one :D?

So i make sample for you:
If both say: "hop in ;)" which will you go :D

1st
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_22st2V4Cvj...b9307bcc64.jpg

VS

2nd
http://www.wallpaperfo.com/thumbnail...erfo.com_3.jpg

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it isn't about WPA or WPA2 but about EAP. I'm not sure if you know what you're talking about.

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Wait... are you actually stating that the average smartphone user has no use for: calendar, e-mail, browser?

Yet, in these forums, people are mounting via Terminal microSD cards because the OS doesn't fully support larger than 32gb and that's considered normal?

If you seriously mean that, get out into the real world and see what the average user can/cannot do before thinking that your usage patterns are the norm. I'm willing to bet not a single person here represents the norm.

We like the N9, it wasn't a blockbuster seller. We like Jolla, so far its distribution has limited its success. You probably use Linux, and use commands like tar xvzf myArchive.tar.gz in Linux (choose your shell, you have plenty of choices) yet the average user will just double click the archive in Windows or OS X. And they're the majority.

You just can't be serious. No ****ing way.

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Correction: You know luddites.

You are not talking about the average joe in the least bit.

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I'm not picking on you, but just catching up with this thread.

Anyway, MTP has been put down as never supported on OS X, not natively. So what was tested? Philippe has been stated often enough that something was broken - how can you break what's never been there?

Apache has been broken on Mavericks. I can attest to that. But MTP has been per application level - thus apps that BlackBerry uses, for instance, to interface their phone on OS X work just fine to this day. Why? Because they carried their own, interfaced OS X where the API's are at - say iPhoto for instance - and it works just fine.

I now doubt that any testing ever happened. Mavericks has been in beta for a year. Any paid Apple Developer had access to it - even I did and I just code iOS apps for some clients.

Your answers so far represent a serious minority and I don't think that you're qualified to speak for the majority. For the record, I am not qualified either. Your statements smack of your limited use and needs.

No e-mail? No browser? No calendar? Then why even a phone with those as (now) standard features. I think I have my old Nokia 7190 laying around. According to you, that would suit you just fine - and the average Joe as well.

That's just patently false. Just as false as the MTP statements and as false as the so-called testing. It never happened - all tests seem to have been on developer devices, which were all Linux. That's a minority of desktops. Welcome to the less than 2%.

Seriously flawed logic in this thread.