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Lumiaman 2012-07-25 15:22
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
There are plenty of people looking for viable alternatives to an iphone. Everyone gets saturated with gadgets. That is why I think WP8 will have a draw. Something different in people's pockets. Something that will tell the crowd I am a bit different.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/opinio...html?hpt=hp_c3

volt 2012-07-25 16:31
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Yes, actually.

Im going to go as far as to say that your argument is completely valid and I feel like agreeing with it. I look for an alternative to Android.

However. There has ALWAYS been 'a little different' to buy. People just don't buy it.

Android phones, people buy those a lot these days. All those phones are so alike, it's a shame. I have a ZTE, and it's a blatant rip-off of any HTC phone ever. Samsungs without exceptions all look like a digital photo frame my grandma has. Android phones come in black, black, black. And all those chrome borders. Why copy a chrome border? The S III may not be black, but it's hardly looking very unique that either. And I bet the S IV will be black.

I saw one Sony (yes, they're still Evil Incorporated) phone with a some plasticy edge and a touch of colour, and I'm like... An Android phone that's not a variant of the Iphone? Is that even possible?

This is like a shocking and refreshing difference from the standard Android phone...
http://cdn.pocket-lint.com/images/Fd...ch-specs-1.jpg (Don't buy it, Sony design may be refreshing but they're still evil!)

Nokia also have designs that differ from the typical iphone/Android phone. They always had. The N9/Lumia phones got a bit of good attention for their looks.

http://symbianworld.org/wp-content/u...e-Nokia-N9.jpg

So different hardware, Nokia has always had. Many different models, many stylish, some weird youthful. They didn't make Americans buy it before. (Let's ignore Symbian's rest-world sales numbers for a while - Nokia already seems to.)

I guess then, the outside can't be enough of a difference. It was available, but clearly not good enough to satisfy people comparing it to Iphone and Android?

So, maybe the difference should be on the inside. I know, I personally require both to be really intrigued. Well, on the inside they went from usually quite dull Symbian to sharp looking Windows Phone, right?

But that's not either.

Windows Phone 8 isn't really the first Different. Windows Phone 7.0 and Windows Phone 7.5 was already something a bit different. Microsoft has already put all it's weight behind that as well as several versions of Windows Mobile before that, all quite capable in it's time. And yet, they haven't been able to convert their massive might into actual sales.

Nokia already tried to make people desire Windows Phone 7.5. Nokia has always had the ability to build quality phones (when they want) and have different and/or stylish hardware. The N900 and Lumia phones are already a bit different.

Today, Nokia sell Windows Phone phones. The Windows Phone phones aren't selling enough. People don't want to buy them as much as they used to want to buy Symbian. Instead they want to buy Android phones, phones that look pretty much the same. I work in a tiny corp and three of these guys have the same S III.
Today I've met three guys who has a S III and one who hasn't.

It is not different people buy.

Also, if it was different people bought, Nokia shouldn't have dumped MeeGo. Really.

mikecomputing 2012-07-25 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1242723)
Finland isn't a good country to base on. It is Nokia's home country and people there tend to give Nokia chance out of loyalty or pity. This is the only country in Europe where Lumia hasn't done too badly but it is not typical for Europe.
yes but i hope finland and the rest of northeuropean pissung on elops wp strategy and goes jollamobile... Because nokia is not finish anymore IMHO...

mikecomputing 2012-07-25 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TimusEravan (Post 1242730)
Why is Elop still in charge? What are the share holders doing?
they are stupid and hopes wp success and doesnt care how many will leave nokia and how raped nokia is by microshit.

Cue 2012-07-25 20:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1242846)
I saw one Sony (yes, they're still Evil Incorporated) phone with a some plasticy edge and a touch of colour, and I'm like... An Android phone that's not a variant of the Iphone? Is that even possible?

This is like a shocking and refreshing difference from the standard Android phone...
(Don't buy it, Sony design may be refreshing but they're still evil!)
Only if your definition of evil is:
1) One of the first and few to have an unlocked bootloader on their phones
2) One of the best Android Open Source Project (AOSP) contributors

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/04...d-whos-on-top/

I don't care about any irrelevant MPAA/RIAA arguments. If you are buying an Android phone, Sony are the least "evil" manufacturer out there.

volt 2012-07-26 08:52
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No, I am talking about a company that includes a rootkit on their music CDs, and when they are caught with it, they say it's not a problem because their customers doesn't know what a rootkit is.

They are the most evil company in electronics.

kevloral 2012-07-26 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1242723)
Finland isn't a good country to base on. It is Nokia's home country and people there tend to give Nokia chance out of loyalty or pity. This is the only country in Europe where Lumia hasn't done too badly but it is not typical for Europe.
Actually, Finland is the only European country where I have seen a WP handset in the wild.

volt 2012-07-26 11:01
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Nok1V is having a good day today. With this, the 5 day graph starts looking like a real improvement.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...2b1b87a7e5.png

Unfortunately, the 1 month graph tells a different story.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...49cc382817.png

On longer term it seems more like the descent has slowed down, but a few more days like this and the trend will be up, not down.

6 months trend still look awful. It takes many days like this morning to get back up there.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...b96d65e577.png

Cue 2012-07-26 12:25
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243135)
No, I am talking about a company that includes a rootkit on their music CDs, and when they are caught with it, they say it's not a problem because their customers doesn't know what a rootkit is.

They are the most evil company in electronics.
But again that's Sony BMG, the music subsidiary. The rootkit was not created by Sony, the electronics company nor the software company. It was created by First4Internet, some labels made the mistake of licensing First4Internet's DRM when such DRM was starting to take off. RCA records did the same with MediaMax which also installed without user consent. When BMG and Sony merged they kept most of the separate outsourced DRM schemes that each particular label used, not use their in-house DRM at all.

There is no excusing Sony BMG nor the response from the digital subsidiary head (most likely itself a result of ignorance) but like I said, I care not for the music/movie industry.

Cue 2012-07-26 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243190)
Nok1V is having a good day today. With this, the 5 day graph starts looking like a real improvement.
Good to hear. Most likely a result of the completed Scalado acquisition.

SamGan 2012-07-26 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevloral (Post 1243183)
Actually, Finland is the only European country where I have seen a WP handset in the wild.
Lucky you. I stay in Malaysia and travel frequently to Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and Australia but I've never ever seen a WP handset in the wild.

volt 2012-07-26 13:35
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It's the Sony Corporation as a whole that hasn't kicked that fella from his top position. And Sony has one consumer related scandal pretty much every year. Their new boss of bosses is the same person that was responsible when PSN leaked passwords over and over and over again. That's how they reward lack of respect for their customers data. Also, they're one of the biggest DRM pushers and are playing lobby hardball like few others.

Sony has several areas where they are best. They've always had products with as stylish (yet different) design as Apple. But with it's Evil Within, I am not buying anything Sony again.

I am but one person, and people will have different experiences and have read different stories and have different priorities, so other people may consider other companies more evil.

Cue 2012-07-26 13:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243271)
It's the Sony Corporation as a whole that hasn't kicked that fella from his top position. And Sony has one consumer related scandal pretty much every year. Their new boss of bosses is the same person that was responsible when PSN leaked passwords over and over and over again. That's how they reward lack of respect for their customers data. Also, they're one of the biggest DRM pushers and are playing lobby hardball like few others.

Sony has several areas where they are best. They've always had products with as stylish (yet different) design as Apple. But with it's Evil Within, I am not buying anything Sony again.

I am but one person, and people will have different experiences and have read different stories and have different priorities, so other people may consider other companies more evil.
Who, Thomas Hesse? That guy moved back to BMG after Sony bought the other 50% of the Sony BMG venture.

Well I'm not about to get into this debate because it's hardly relevant here but It wasn't "leaked" nor was it over and over again. I don't see how being hacked can be considered "evil" though. There was no lack of respect either, they offered identity theft protection and compensation which is more than I can say for the hacks that subsequently happened at other big corporations.
*ahem*Nokia

But this topic is largely irrelevant here so I think it's best to leave it at that and move on back to Nokia stock.

volt 2012-07-26 15:17
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Yes. Seven years and as far as I can tell, several promotions after the rootkit scandal.

As for the password leaks, I read about three in a short span of time. That's the same short span of time where they closed down the entire network for a while.

The problem is not with individuals, but with company culture, and when it comes to hating your customers I don't think there's many large companies that goes beyond Sony's age old history on the field. I could name many more examples, but... yeah, let's discuss Nokia.

Cue 2012-07-26 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243314)
Yes. Seven years and as far as I can tell, several promotions after the rootkit scandal.

As for the password leaks, I read about three in a short span of time. That's the same short span of time where they closed down the entire network for a while.

The problem is not with individuals, but with company culture, and when it comes to hating your customers I don't think there's many large companies that goes beyond Sony's age old history on the field. I could name many more examples, but... yeah, let's discuss Nokia.
well it's clear we disagree and nothing can change your mind of Sony but just to set something straight, he was not promoted at all yet alone several times since the XCP rootkit or even the merge.

In fact he was not a part of Sony for them to be able to promote him because he was actually a Bertelsmann employee (Bertelsmann Music Group specifically) through most of it and there is nothing Sony could do (even if they wished to) because it was a joint venture.

He was always "President of Global Digital Business, US Sales and Strategy". throughout the BMG merge (2004), the rootkit fiasco (2006) and the buyout of BMG (2008/9), right up until he left to go back to Bertelsmann (2011). Not a single promotion. Officially he was a Sony employee for roughly 3 years only, between early 2009 and late 2011. Much like anyone else in the movie/music industry e.g. Universal and Time-Warner, Bertelsmann don't catch any of the bad press though.


On the topic, Nokia stock is at 1.94. Good times. One person had a particularly interesting strategy but I think it's actually a bad one because since 2007 it has been largely sporadic.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/7475...-by-july-s-end

volt 2012-07-26 17:05
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Promotion: "Since the beginning of 2007, Hesse was also put in charge of the company's physical sales activities in the US, including CDs and DVDs."

To me, all heads of Sony is Sony. It's a corporation and is responsible for all it's branches. He wasn't a representative of BMG when he talked to the media and belittled his customers, he was a representative of Sony BMG. Sony BMG is/was Sony equally much as Sony Ericsson was. It's an ownership technicality, but it holds the Sony brand right there and for that it has to follow the Sony brand guidelines. It's the evil mothership that holds the money and power.

We can agree on disagreeing.

Any specific reason for Nokia to climb today?

volt 2012-07-26 17:12
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I see the pattern he's talking about but ever since they last year dropped their largest customer segment - buyers who buy Symbian - that pattern has been negative every year. Such a pattern has to take in account that sales has collapsed completely. It never did that before.

Lumiaman 2012-07-26 17:21
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I think NOKIA is in a much bettern position than RIM. RIM truly has nothing. NADA. Zilch. Nicht

Cue 2012-07-26 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243379)
Promotion: "Since the beginning of 2007, Hesse was also put in charge of the company's physical sales activities in the US, including CDs and DVDs."
I was thinking "a promotion" as more an increase in rank in the company hierarchy not more work for him to do certainly not several even if that is a promotion.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/thomas-hesse/7/43b/277

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243379)
Any specific reason for Nokia to climb today?
Most likely just due to activity since the acquisition of Scalado. Hopefully not some kind of wash trading.

switch-hitter 2012-07-26 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243390)
I think NOKIA is in a much bettern position than RIM. RIM truly has nothing. NADA. Zilch. Nicht
Having nothing is better than having the clap.

kojacker 2012-07-26 18:54
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Stock just hit $2, seems a long time since we seen that :) I noticed this from NASDAQ in the past half hour - Bulls take long-term shot at Nokia

Quote:
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For instance, those calls have a delta of 0.28. If NOK climbs $1, or about 50 percent, those calls will almost double in value. If the stock doubles to $4, they could more than quadruple in value. (See our Education section)

NOK is up 6.25 percent to $1.96 in afternoon trading. The once-mighty cell-phone maker is down more than 90 percent since late 2007 as it struggles to find relevance in a world dominated by iPhones and Android devices. Earnings have been consistently poor, but some value investors may like its ample cash reserves and the fact it trades for less than book value.

Overall option volume in the stock is almost triple the daily average so far in the session, with calls outnumbering puts by 5 to 1.

volt 2012-07-26 20:35
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Maybe now's the time to invest :B
Watch that dead horse bounce!

Wait, why is it just today being written news about Nokia scrapping Meltemi? I thought that was common knowledge last month. You know, when the people working on it got fired...

specc 2012-07-26 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1243424)
Stock just hit $2, seems a long time since we seen that :) I noticed this from NASDAQ in the past half hour - Bulls take long-term shot at Nokia
My thoughts go to the short-sighted clowns selling Nokia at this point LOL :D Probably mostly traders anyway.

Lumiaman 2012-07-26 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1243411)
Having nothing is better than having the clap.
You are just jealous that NOKIA will succeed. Go to the RIM board where you belong

danramos 2012-07-26 23:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243271)
It's the Sony Corporation as a whole that hasn't kicked that fella from his top position. And Sony has one consumer related scandal pretty much every year. Their new boss of bosses is the same person that was responsible when PSN leaked passwords over and over and over again. That's how they reward lack of respect for their customers data. Also, they're one of the biggest DRM pushers and are playing lobby hardball like few others.

Sony has several areas where they are best. They've always had products with as stylish (yet different) design as Apple. But with it's Evil Within, I am not buying anything Sony again.

I am but one person, and people will have different experiences and have read different stories and have different priorities, so other people may consider other companies more evil.
I'm kind of sorry to have to admit that I'm with Volt on this. Ever since the merger, Sony began having a LOT of infighting between the legacy divisions and the new content provider (movies and music) divisions... and the content provider divisions almost always ended up winning and slanted anti-consumer with heavy and dangerous DRM schemes. It's never been the same company ever since.

Classic Sony was the company that won the court case against a movie studio to prove that VCR's have a large non-infringing use. Modern Sony is the company that pushed SOPA and insists on proprietary, draconian DRM and works against the public good and often against its very own artists.

I stopped buying Sony altogether since the rootkit fiasco back in the mid-2000's and I've not really looked back ever since. The one exceptional case now IS the cell phone division's surprising willingness to open their systems--but I'm not sure if I makes me willing enough to start buying their products again. I'd need to see that sort of turn-around company-wide before I might change my brand faithfulness again. Once you lose me, you really have to work to get my attention back--there's a LOT of good brands that have filled the void in the meantime and you have to be better than them, not just as good.

Relevance to Nokia? Once you've lost your customers you need to be better, not worse--not even as-good. I don't see it for Nokia anymore--not at this rate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243390)
I think NOKIA is in a much bettern position than RIM. RIM truly has nothing. NADA. Zilch. Nicht
That's right. Second-worst is better than worst. Good boy. I might have some dog treats around here for you somewhere.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243475)
You are just jealous that NOKIA will succeed. Go to the RIM board where you belong
Give that man a RIM-shot 'cause I feel like there's got to be a joke in there somewhere!

Rugoz 2012-07-27 02:32
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I don't care what nokia does. As a business case they're still interesting of course, but otherwise they lost me.

Cue 2012-07-27 03:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1243536)
Classic Sony was the company that won the court case against a movie studio to prove that VCR's have a large non-infringing use. Modern Sony is the company that pushed SOPA and insists on proprietary, draconian DRM and works against the public good and often against its very own artists.
I'm sure you went and watched Michael Bays Transformers and The Dark Knight though Dan. Take your example of SOPA, Sony dropped SOPA support after the draft bill. Yet all other content providers did not (nor any of their subsidiaries). Universal, Time-Warner, Viacom all backed it till the end.

Even with that still in mind people have no problem watching these content providers films, yet they will think twice about buying an electronic device from an unrelated subsidiary of a company who actually dropped SOPA support.

I just find it bizarre personally, especially when that unrelated subsidiary is quite independent. Although I tend to not hold grudges against any company so I may never understand it fully, I think a lot of people have not let that from the rootkit fiasco go. This despite the fact that they recalled all CDs from stores and exchanged all customer copies for versions which are completely DRM free. They are all DRM free now too so I don't see what's draconian.

specc 2012-07-27 06:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1243567)
I don't care what nokia does. As a business case they're still interesting of course, but otherwise they lost me.
Infidel !!! ;) You are right of course, but it's not only Nokia. Compared with a few years back, the situation today is about choosing something that doesn't suck too much. It used to be choosing something that really is cool.

For something too be really cool, a necessity is HW keyboard, FM tx, SD card, top CPU and so on. Such a device doesn't exist any more. The 808 is close, PureView definitely is cool. But it's a EOL product. So the only thing worth waiting for is a Lumia Pureview running WP8. Otherwise you might as well give up and get a SGS3, or worse an iPhone. If the modern definition of a smartphone suits you, then you cannot get anything better than the SGS3 today. If that's too expensive, or too large, then a Sony is unbeatable. Excellent devices, what is wrong is the concept of a smartphone has changed.

So, I will wait for a Lumia PureView announcement, and if that disappoints for some reason, then the 808 it is. For now I'm quite happy with my Lumia 800, the N9 is already more than half way into the drawer. Compared with the rest of the smartphone landscape that is as inspiring as a foggy marshland, the Lumias are much better devices than they (in general) are given credit for.

Back to the stocks. Today will be a somewhat interesting day.

volt 2012-07-27 09:20
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Lunchtime updates from Europe:

NOK1V (Helsinki, price in Euros)

Day so far:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...4ecf2b1dbb.png

Month view shows a positive development for the last week:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...76e8eb9522.png

Looks like the value will be fairly equal at the start and end of July.

Rauha 2012-07-27 16:13
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Nokia and labour unions ended negotiations at Salo factory today. Everyone fired, but unions manage to get that Nokia Bridge program extended to blue collar staff as well.

Last Nokia made in Finland shipped on wendsday. The factory will continue packaging phones made elsewhere until autumn when the final closure will take place.

mikecomputing 2012-07-27 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1243677)
Lunchtime updates from Europe:

NOK1V (Helsinki, price in Euros)

Day so far:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...4ecf2b1dbb.png

Month view shows a positive development for the last week:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...76e8eb9522.png

Looks like the value will be fairly equal at the start and end of July.
really good NOT proves notging because its still less than for two months ago and far less than february 2011.

Cue 2012-07-27 16:50
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I think it will be relatively flat for the rest of the day with maybe a small decline. Fluctuating around $2.10.

Lumiaman 2012-07-27 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1243536)
I'm kind of sorry to have to admit that I'm with Volt on this. Ever since the merger, Sony began having a LOT of infighting between the legacy divisions and the new content provider (movies and music) divisions... and the content provider divisions almost always ended up winning and slanted anti-consumer with heavy and dangerous DRM schemes. It's never been the same company ever since.

Classic Sony was the company that won the court case against a movie studio to prove that VCR's have a large non-infringing use. Modern Sony is the company that pushed SOPA and insists on proprietary, draconian DRM and works against the public good and often against its very own artists.

I stopped buying Sony altogether since the rootkit fiasco back in the mid-2000's and I've not really looked back ever since. The one exceptional case now IS the cell phone division's surprising willingness to open their systems--but I'm not sure if I makes me willing enough to start buying their products again. I'd need to see that sort of turn-around company-wide before I might change my brand faithfulness again. Once you lose me, you really have to work to get my attention back--there's a LOT of good brands that have filled the void in the meantime and you have to be better than them, not just as good.

Relevance to Nokia? Once you've lost your customers you need to be better, not worse--not even as-good. I don't see it for Nokia anymore--not at this rate.



That's right. Second-worst is better than worst. Good boy. I might have some dog treats around here for you somewhere.

Did you get any exercise for your oxygen deprived brain. NOKIA has been feeding you doggy treats for years and now that NOKIA is sick and poor, you spit on her. What a heartless and horrible human being.


Give that man a RIM-shot 'cause I feel like there's got to be a joke in there somewhere!
Joke is on you pal, and bloated, ugly Android crap

switch-hitter 2012-07-27 18:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243843)
bloated, ugly Android crap
You missed out 'popular' and 'successful'.

Lumiaman 2012-07-27 18:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1243861)
You missed out 'popular' and 'successful'.
I thought you were gone to the RIM boards?

Lumiaman 2012-07-27 18:44
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WP8 coming en masse....the stock price will shoot the stars!

http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/07/nok...t-world-event/

switch-hitter 2012-07-27 19:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243864)
I thought you were gone to the RIM boards?
I have over 25 years experience as the Financial Director of a manufacturing company, I think I've got something to offer if RIM want me on the board.

Lumiaman 2012-07-27 19:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1243891)
I have over 25 years experience as the Financial Director of a manufacturing company, I think I've got something to offer if RIM want me on the board.
I am happy for you

danramos 2012-07-28 10:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1243843)
Joke is on you pal, and bloated, ugly Android crap
U JELLY? :)
http://www.droiddog.com/wp-content/u...elly-bean.jpeg
http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-con...-mobile-os.jpg

Lumiaman 2012-07-28 21:28
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People are now killing to get idevices. One more reason to get Lumia and help Nokia stock

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...sj_share_tweet


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