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Yeah, seems legit


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Well, I suppose it depends on *if* they get the financing, and *if* they manage to get partners.

Basically they need to acquire customers (of the Intex kind, possibly larger, or many). If they can show this to investors, then they may get the funding they need. And if they do, they will try hard to fulfill the promise of the indiegogo campaign, after all, it will look very bad if they do not. And the tablet would be a good tthing for the echosystem, they need to have at least a few different devices around.

I hope they survive the crisis, and that they start thinking of ways not to screw the Sailfish users in case of further difficulties, such as, open sourcing what they can of their asset.

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I think this message recently posted on TJC from MSameer is worth to be copied here:

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Are you crazy! Don't work for free. Get at least 1% of the company IF you you guys manage to turn this ship around.

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Sailors do seem to be very loyal and that's something at least I respect. If Jolla survives and gets back on it's feet, I do hope that management finds a way to compensate them also, as these are very stressful times for them in many respect. It takes stubbornness for startup company to survive and it surely looks like they have no shortage of it. Hopefully (for all of us) it pays out this time.

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The people shouting fraud (I wonder have they actually bought tablets) might want to read that before opening their mouths.

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I have bought one and I think it's fraud. Not illegal fraud but legal fraud.

So I would say it's fraud.

As an example...Jolla developed OS rather than pay lastu for a few thousand cases...it might not be illegal but it's not nice.

Jolla developed OS rather than build tablets...t might not be illegal but it's not nice. escpeally to the ones bought in Jolla shop.

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I for once, won't ever blame anyone of fraud.
However,legally,not delivering and not paying back those who ordered through shop. Depending surely, if Jolla did knowingly sell not being able to deliver,now,that is - legally - fraud.

But, as I said. They are working hard to get it solved. Even as individuals.

I won't call them on that. But, I will order a tablet when they get back on feet's! Which I have a strong believe they will.

Now, they need all the backup from all of us they can get.

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Those people defending Jolla might want to distinguish between the actions of ordinary employees (of whom I have not read any criticism), and those of senior management (particularly those who already got out of Dodge) before opening their mouths.

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Jolla is moving to (small and top secret location)and need your help:


Cybette updated 2 hours ago
"In Helsinki? Here's one way you can help Jolla and get a good workout at the same time! Helsinki office is moving to new premises and we need some sailor power as we're a bit short of that at the moment. Here are the details:

Date: 26.Nov.2015
Time: 10.45
Place: Itämerenkatu 11-13, main reception
Someone from Jolla will come and collect you and then we will get organized
I'm not sure if Jolla can offer anything for you right now in return, except our eternal gratitude, and maybe have a couple beers (rum?) together with the Jolla sailors after the move.

Spread the word! Thanks!! <3"

I will book a flight if Jolla adding a tablet to the beers. If anyone going please get some Intel about tablet as payment ;)

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https://cdn-blog.jolla.com/wp-conten...5/11/Costs.jpg

This image tells you everything you need to know about the folly of the tablet from day one. As several of us said, an Intel platform was likely a dead end as far as any growth or other design wins were concerned, and was a total waste of time and money even if the hardware is heavily subsidised. The cost of porting the OS, AD and hardware adaption made up nearly 60% of the costs. What a titanic waste of time and money for what amounted to a vanity project.

Also I find Saarnio's version of events highly suspect. Main investor pulled out the day after SLUSH, huh, causing this mess? Why was the press release (now taken down) written a month earlier then, Antti? This was clearly happening with or without that investor. Furthermore, I'm sure them pulling out the day after he delivered his speech at SLUSH is no co-incidence. They were probably hoping for signs of life but saw none.

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Because it was a typo. The day was correct, but the month was off by one.

If your native tongue had "lokakuu" and "marraskuu", you'd also have a hard time mixing up October and November... ;)

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Bodes well if they can't even get the PR right for their bankruptcy (protection).

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Well, yeah, it's "though" times indeed... :/

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http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/11/jolla-series-b/

The questions is if it's the European or the Asian investor jolla is working with in this c series.

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Compensation: less management :)

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Utter chaos? :)

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I think Grigory Berezkin, via votron ltd is the single investor with the key to the tablet.

Sailfish is linked to Sailfish Holding now as well I guess. It's Owned by Grigory Berezkin, JollaOy and some Asian...Chinese org.

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So many IDIOT comments on the blog post. People is sooo damn stupid idiots :mad:

However I doubt Jolla can fix it. Sorry too say that but...

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So you came here to post that. Think ;)

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Wrong what with him thinkingses ?!?!?!

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They did not make the tablet for profit. They made it demonstrate that Sailfish was scalable to a big(ger) screen. To sell it to others who know how to make tablets at a quarter of the cost.

That sounds like a likely version of events though. I absolutely agree that Jolla's communication skills were abysmal. Every word coming from their top management was another swing of the shovel digging their own grave. And of course this total lack of communication skills cascaded down the ladder all the way to Jolla employees answering TJC posts.

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Ach,
It may sound harsh and flippant... which it is not intending to be...
But fact is ....recovery ..especially in a sector like tech / consumable gadgets...
may well be ( for the Jolla...now...) shy of the impossible.
(perhaps if they had the foreknowledge that finances were becoming tight...they may have spoken to the community /investors to ask for help financially to prevent what has happened...speculation only here...)
Especially nowadays.
Giants with tons of money and backing and clout... have fallen over far far less.

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It takes two to stupid.

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Wrong. One is plenty.

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Yes but Jolla got some that most of them don't :D

Polibility to scale down...to...almost a one man team for a short while if needed.

And since Jolla holding owns sailfish and Jolla as we know it disappears, owners can still sleep walk around the world and trying to sell/license the os if they want. Build a new tablet or something ;)

But yeah. I concur. No money, no products, no devs makes it...

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The same day that Jolla annouced its problems, it's biggest owner tweeted for the first time in a year and half.

https://twitter.com/ssylau/status/667955474625527809

Just incredibly random thing to be excited about when millions in investments are going down the tube.

Rich people :confused:




EDIT: Actually that looks bit like an account hijack. Leaving it here anyway.

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This is what worries me - all those people raging all over that blog post about not getting their tablets are actually killing any chance they might have of ever getting them.

Hopefully, the Intex deal and any other potential deals they have will speak louder, and certainly these problems can be blamed on a very late pull out by a backer.

Hopefully...

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I guess they don't know. Time will tell. ROAST in the mean time like everyone else and shush ;)

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I do not think the graph above proves what you think.

Of course the development effort was not trivial, but it basically is a fixed cost, so if, say, there is a 300eur development cost for each of the 10k tablets preordered/backed, over 100k tablet sales the cost is only 30eur/tablet. Of course, you cannot complete a project like this on a kickstarter campaign only, you need extra fundings to start a business, and you know you will lose money for years before you turn out a profit, if you are lucky.

Also, if Jolla were NOT doing the tablet, they would have probably had to spend the same amount of money in software development, as they still needed to pay their engineers. Improving sailfish for the phone would not have had the same return of investment as doing a new project, and a new phone project would have the same kind of cost, but I doublt they could have offered a compelling offer for a kickstarter campaign. They could have made a phone based on old technology for a premium price, as the fairphone/puzzlephone show.

I doubt I would have spent 400euro for yet another phone when my current genertation Jolla still works fine.

So the tablet stunt made sense; it even got prise and awards at the MWC, which should have landed a few new partners... but apparently it did not land enough partners and the inverstors are getting impatient.

Maybe investors are backing off for real, maybe they are strong-arming jolla, we cannot know. In any case, Jolla is now using extreme and painful measures to keep afloat, and all we can hope is they manage through the hard times.

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Yeah you Are right. Nothing that jolla has presented Regarding tablet is what they mean since they have Done completly different things.

Personally I always thought Jolla was trying to build a tablet but was never the case apparently. Completely missed that it's was just a cover for the OS. Stretch goals, Yeah they were all fake as well as the campaign.

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I should know better than to feed the troll but...

I see no evidence they did anything but what was needed to bring the tablet forward. They wanted to invest in that direction, and the backing of the campaign was a way to taste the waters, and see there was demand for it. So they invested in it, adapting the software as needed to make it work on the tablet. And part of the work was useful in general, and we got it back as SailfishOS 2.0 on the phone.

So how were they doing "completely different things"?

The stretch goals were all software features, and too thinly veiled, and they got plenty of criticism during the campaign, but that only means they misjudged who their backers were, and how they could easily see through marketing speech. But I cannot see anything more malicious than that.

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@Mikelima:
Well said. both posts are spot on.

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They could have forked a tablet version of Sailfish, or left the phone behind on Sailfish 1.x , exactly as so many mobile OEMs do. Nokia were really bad for this. In that case we'd all still be left hanging after never having seen Sailfish 2.x.

It's really funny that these trolls consider that they were somehow cheated here. Evolving Sailfish from 1.x for the tablet took fewer resources than maintaining two branches, and at least the new OS was actually released.

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So I'm THE troll. Thank you for your ignorance.

Usually I don't respond to people that don't respect other options, but in your case I can do an exception to return the favor.

They did did all stuff for the tablet yes. IF you consider an unlimited amount of money and time. The project can go on forever. Most projects and products have limitations that you as a company have to consider. So in the end they Improved the OS forever and ignored other costs like salaries,paying bills to lastu and probably others, stretch goals, deliver the tablet, correct info, payment process...

But I don't say you are wrong I just have a slightly different view. Hope that is OK.

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It really does look like Jolla's commitment to architectural excellence has shot them in the foot. It's sad because so much non functional work has taken place to build a secure and stable platform, but because the features aren't there - it might all be for nothing.

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Seems like you intentionally disregard or refuse to understand the overall situation of startup company, which is that they are dependent on new financing rounds as long as there is no sufficient income to cover the costs. To get such income they need to develop something to sell (Sailfish OS) AND have some way to demonstrate it is a feasible product for others to use (spearhead devices like phone and tablet, even if they do not generate profits by themselves). It's not an issue of ignoring the other costs but reality that hit this time bit harder than before.

The other way could have been to just use tablets as demonstration devices for manufacturers and not to sell it anywhere. Of course we would be moaning about not getting them on that case too...

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Also posted in separate topic.

How to save the Jolla Tablet and Sailfish OS ?

Jolla should make available choices for the community to finance Jolla & Sailfish OS :

1) Indiegogo campaing to finance :
* finishing the Jolla Tablet deliveries;
* further developing Sailfish OS 2.x for tablets;
* making Sailfish OS 2.x for tablet available as an image to install on one or two popular and available tablet(s) (with open bootloader, maybe Nexus 9, etc).

2) Indiegogo campaing to finance :
* further development of Sailfish OS in general;
* making Sailfish OS 2.x for other smartphones as an image to install on some popular and available smartphones (with open bootloader, like some Nexus 5/6, etc).

3) Alien Dalvik could be a paid option to whom want it in these non-Jolla smartphones & tablet.

I would pay for the 3 above options.