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XOleg 2017-12-01 04:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1538988)
I enabled double-tap to wake shortly after installing Sailfish X, using this method. It works about as well as it did on the OnePlus X, except that occasionally the proximity sensor seems to get confused and the screen won't unlock unless you cover the proximity sensor and uncover it again. Battery life is decent, over two days with double tap enabled, wifi on, and bluetooth on and connected.

I enabled DTW for SfOS v.2.1.3.5. Yes, battery life has become shorter. I disabled DTW.
I enabled DTW again after update to v.2.1.3.7. It's OK for battery life! consumption is 10%/24h in standby mode(at night for ex.), 3G, wifi=bt=off, droid not installed.

I use uSD card Kingston 64GB fat32.

rinigus 2017-12-01 08:27

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With several users moving from OnePlus X to Sony X, I do wonder how do they compare.

For me OnePlus X port is working fantastically well, its well supported with the updates coming regularly, and all the hardware that I use working well (including camera at full resolution). Taking into account also the work on keyboard (https://github.com/martonmiklos/sail...sage-predictor), xt9 maybe not needed soon. So, if you don't use Android layer, MS exchange, is SFOS experience much better on Sony when compared to OnePlus?

maximilian1st 2017-12-01 09:31

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The part that works way better for me is the browser in SailfishX. It used to crash all the way on the OPX. The camera on the OPX worked better I guess from the bad and unsharp pictures I get on the XperiaX.

Fellfrosch 2017-12-01 11:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by maximilian1st (Post 1539005)
I guess from the bad and unsharp pictures I get on the XperiaX.

Do you still get unsharp pictures after the update on 2.1.3.7?
I'm pleased with image quality of the XperiaX after the update.

seiichiro0185 2017-12-01 11:30

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I didn't see any improvement of the picture quality between 2.1.3.5 and 2.1.3.7 on my Xperia X. The Images are still very blurry (regardless of taking them with the Stock Camera App or Android Apps).

BluesLee 2017-12-01 12:56

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Same here. I don't use the camera anymore. Lets hope for a fix.

Fellfrosch 2017-12-01 13:57

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1539011)
I didn't see any improvement of the picture quality between 2.1.3.5 and 2.1.3.7 on my Xperia X. The Images are still very blurry (regardless of taking them with the Stock Camera App or Android Apps).

There is a huge difference between 2.1.3.5 and 2.1.3.7. Autofocus was broken. That's fixed in 2.1.3.7.

If there is no difference between Android apps and the Sailfish app, I would more bet on a hardware problem. Of course it also depends a lot on what you expect of the camera. It can't compare with HTC U11 or the Galaxy Note 8 camera and even to a lesser extent to a DSLR.

But If you look at this shot, I don't find it blury or bad quality.:
https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/34397...201_145005.jpg

seiichiro0185 2017-12-01 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1539017)
There is a huge difference between 2.1.3.5 and 2.1.3.7. Autofocus was broken. That's fixed in 2.1.3.7.

If there is no difference between Android apps and the Sailfish app, I would more bet on a hardware problem. Of course it also depends a lot on what you expect of the camera. It can't compare with HTC U11 or the Galaxy Note 8 camera and even to a lesser extent to a DSLR.

But If you look at this shot, I don't find it blury or bad quality.:
https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/34397...201_145005.jpg

It seems to work OK for closeup pictures similar to yours:
https://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/343...201_150743.jpg

But e.g. for other scenarios it looks (IMHO) totally cr*py (I did try several times with more or less the same result):
https://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/343...201_093810.jpg

Outside Picture looks ok-ish, but still not optimal:
https://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/343...201_151845.jpg

Maybe I'm just expecting way to much, but after hearing all about how much better the Quality (HW-wise) of the Camera should be on the Xperia compared to Jolla 1 and Jolla C im more than underwhelmed with the current results (and yes I know a phone-camera can't compete with a full blown DSLR or DLSM). For me the current Result doesn't differ much (quality wise) from the Pictures my Jolla C took.

Fellfrosch 2017-12-01 14:41

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That's ISO Speed 600 on such a small sensor you can't expect great photos. Compare on ISO 50 or 64 than the results are much better:

Bad conditions this time for the AF through a reflecting window...

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/34397...201_153336.jpg

Fellfrosch 2017-12-01 17:00

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Your outside photo looks absolutely Ok for me. You can't expect much better results from a mobile phone. I think you should have exposed a little bit brighter. But regarding sharpness there is nothing to complain about. I usually use a DSLR for making photos and shooting a photo with completly opened Aperture, you don't get muuuch better sharpness (at least with a zoom lens).

robthebold 2017-12-01 20:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rinigus (Post 1539002)
With several users moving from OnePlus X to Sony X, I do wonder how do they compare.

For me OnePlus X port is working fantastically well, its well supported with the updates coming regularly, and all the hardware that I use working well (including camera at full resolution). Taking into account also the work on keyboard (https://github.com/martonmiklos/sail...sage-predictor), xt9 maybe not needed soon. So, if you don't use Android layer, MS exchange, is SFOS experience much better on Sony when compared to OnePlus?

The community OnePlus X port seems substantially more mature and complete than the official Xperia X port. I don't think I would have switched if not for poor US phone network support with the oneplus. Missing calls from, or not being able to understand my wife was a frequent problem.

(BTW, xt9 support can be installed on the OPX, even though it's not included in the port. It can be fun to just let it compose a text for you
. . .)

Bundyo 2017-12-02 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rinigus (Post 1539002)
With several users moving from OnePlus X to Sony X, I do wonder how do they compare.

For me OnePlus X port is working fantastically well, its well supported with the updates coming regularly, and all the hardware that I use working well (including camera at full resolution). Taking into account also the work on keyboard (https://github.com/martonmiklos/sail...sage-predictor), xt9 maybe not needed soon. So, if you don't use Android layer, MS exchange, is SFOS experience much better on Sony when compared to OnePlus?

The Bluetooth alone can justify my move. The OnePlus X port had atrocious BT support and was getting worse with every new version. Also being able to upgrade immediately after the new version is out is a nice touch too. :)

taixzo 2017-12-02 14:28

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And to think I originally switched to OPX because of how much better its bluetooth was than the Nexus 5...

Bundyo 2017-12-02 14:30

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Initially it was okay, but with latest versions was almost unusable.

stickymick 2017-12-03 12:37

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
So, I have got me a Sony XPeria X, all updated and have unlocked the bootloader and will be downloading SailfishX soon.
Are there any tips or snippets of advice before I go ahead with the re-flash?

I'm not an early bird to Sailfish by no means, owning 3 Jollas (1 needing a recovery :P) and my current phone is an Aqua Fish.
Thankees in advance. :)

Dave999 2017-12-03 13:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1539092)
So, I have got me a Sony XPeria X, all updated and have unlocked the bootloader and will be downloading SailfishX soon.
Are there any tips or snippets of advice before I go ahead with the re-flash?

I'm not an early bird to Sailfish by no means, owning 3 Jollas (1 needing a recovery :P) and my current phone is an Aqua Fish.
Thankees in advance. :)

Don’t flash incorrect os! :D

And make sure to celebrate the success properly! Make sure to have a nice bottle of water/coke/wine/beer or what ever is exclusive to you!

aspergerguy 2017-12-03 14:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1539092)
Are there any tips or snippets of advice before I go ahead with the re-flash?

Just make sure that your Loire "blobs" are in working directory and if all goes hopelessly wrong "Emma" is your friend. :D

datman 2017-12-03 20:23

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I am quite disappointed that I cant get a copy of the OS because I live in New Zealand :(. You wait so long, then you cant have it! :eek: Surely they want to get the OS out there...............

suicidal_orange 2017-12-03 21:18

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Originally Posted by datman (Post 1539105)
I am quite disappointed that I cant get a copy of the OS because I live in New Zealand :(. You wait so long, then you cant have it! :eek: Surely they want to get the OS out there...............

People have had success using the VPN built in to the Opera browser to bypass the country block ;)

rob_kouw 2017-12-03 22:27

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I had a bit of a tough time today with the Android part of Sailfish X.
As I had no more updates, I removed all Android apps, an reinstalled. Unfortunately as soon as Google Play has updated, Android apps won't receive any updates any more, and new apps cannot be installed. Aptoide is of no use really.

So, in comparison to the Jolla 1, I find myself with a device with a healthy battery and a better screen, but worse Android support. Big bummer.

(Sorry guys, I want at least Whatsapp, Wordfeud and the Rabobank app, and if possible c:geo, GCC and some more handy stuff. I've already read all the remarks that a real sailor should not want it. But there are no alternatives for me.)

mosen 2017-12-03 22:56

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by rob_kouw (Post 1539108)
Google Play has updated

Maybe it helps to stand up again if you get at least a newer playstore version as reward?
The latest version to be working on xperia x i tested is this 7-3-25.
It should work if you disable dalvik, remove playstore, install linked version, then to stop update of playstore itself
Code:

touch /data/app/com.android.vending-2.apk
chattr +i /data/app/com.android.vending-2.apk


robthebold 2017-12-04 00:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1539107)
People have had success using the VPN built in to the Opera browser to bypass the country block ;)

This is what I did, set the Opera browser VPN to report my as Germany, instead of the US. Worked fine. (It did raise a PayPal fraud alert, and PayPal now wants me to change my password, which I have been loathe to do since it's one of the very few that I actually memorize for use when away from my password vault.)

robthebold 2017-12-04 00:44

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1539092)
So, I have got me a Sony XPeria X, all updated and have unlocked the bootloader and will be downloading SailfishX soon.
Are there any tips or snippets of advice before I go ahead with the re-flash?

I'm not an early bird to Sailfish by no means, owning 3 Jollas (1 needing a recovery :P) and my current phone is an Aqua Fish.
Thankees in advance. :)

Since you're to the unlocking stage, I guess you're not backing up your DRM stuff from the original FW. If that's the case, I don't think you'll have any troubles following the installation instructions. Everything was straightforward and without hiccups.

But BTW, you might want to test the hardware (wifi, wireless, sdcard, speakers, etc., etc.) fully before flashing SFOS, just in case anything isn't working and you need to return the device.

nieldk 2017-12-04 05:27

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rob_kouw (Post 1539108)
I had a bit of a tough time today with the Android part of Sailfish X.
As I had no more updates, I removed all Android apps, an reinstalled. Unfortunately as soon as Google Play has updated, Android apps won't receive any updates any more, and new apps cannot be installed. Aptoide is of no use really.

So, in comparison to the Jolla 1, I find myself with a device with a healthy battery and a better screen, but worse Android support. Big bummer.

(Sorry guys, I want at least Whatsapp, Wordfeud and the Rabobank app, and if possible c:geo, GCC and some more handy stuff. I've already read all the remarks that a real sailor should not want it. But there are no alternatives for me.)

For the Play Store updating issue, do this

https://together.jolla.com/question/...tex-aqua-fish/

peterleinchen 2017-12-04 07:56

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There is a newer version of Play Store ;)
(at least working on JollaC, no X here)

Mikkosssss 2017-12-04 13:20

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So I finally did send my Xperia to warranty because right front speaker broke. I also noticed small backlight leak at bottom of the screen.
I only flashed android back with emma tool without DRM keys and it went trought.
They also replaced side buttons and battery for some reason.
I bought the phone from verkkokauppa.com.

DrYak 2017-12-04 13:50

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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1539120)
no X here)

I can confirm that version 7.3.26 works on Sailfish X too, that's what I've installed on my Xperia X.

lantern 2017-12-05 16:37

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you can now use the voucher “INDEPENDENCE” to get a 20% discount from all Sailfish X purchases until December 17, 2017.
10 charssss

m4r0v3r 2017-12-06 20:37

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Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1539120)
There is a newer version of Play Store ;)
(at least working on JollaC, no X here)

is that the latest?

peterleinchen 2017-12-07 06:22

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1539189)
is that the latest?

Yep. Latest which allows downloading from 'uncertified' device.

m4r0v3r 2017-12-08 08:38

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1539198)
Yep. Latest which allows downloading from 'uncertified' device.

hmm might remove the bit stopping mine updating then and yolo it

stickymick 2017-12-10 15:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Thanks for the tips guys.
Don't get here very often due to work commitments.
Will be getting the SailfishX image next week. I've also run all the tests and it all seems OK.
I bought the handset from a reputable dealer and they do a thorough test on the devices before they buy them in.

Just out of curiosity though. Sailfish on a Blackberry Leap would be awesome, IMO. But probably not possible due to the hard locked nature of their phones.

MINKIN2 2017-12-14 13:27

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Quick question... Does anyone here play Ingress and if so, how well does it run on Sailfish X.

Thanks

mariusmssj 2017-12-15 17:34

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I really thought we will be getting another update before Christmas but now I am not so sure any more :(

benny1967 2017-12-16 12:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1539364)
I really thought we will be getting another update before Christmas but now I am not so sure any more :(

It's very unlikely, but just as a reminder: In 2014 they released Vaarainjärvi on Dec 18th. So... never say never. :)

clovis86 2017-12-18 10:17

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Anyone can give me an advice for an alternative email client ?
Probably an android one ? :/

seiichiro0185 2017-12-18 10:22

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
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Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1539430)
Anyone can give me an advice for an alternative email client ?
Probably an android one ? :/

Best mail client in my opinion (unfortunately Android) is K9-Mail, does more or less everything Mail related including stuff like GPG-Encryption (if paired with Openkeychain). Also it's opensource and available from F-Droid.

r0kk3rz 2017-12-18 10:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1539346)
Quick question... Does anyone here play Ingress and if so, how well does it run on Sailfish X.

Thanks

It was some time ago now, but in the past Ingress didn't like Alien-Dalvik because it thinks you're spoofing your GPS.

Whether that's still the case I don't know

taixzo 2017-12-18 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1539432)
It was some time ago now, but in the past Ingress didn't like Alien-Dalvik because it thinks you're spoofing your GPS.

Whether that's still the case I don't know

Pokemon Go has the same issue.

rfa 2017-12-18 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1539430)
Anyone can give me an advice for an alternative email client ?
Probably an android one ? :/

Microsoft Outlook


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