maemo.org - Talk - Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Are you sure he promised? Wasn't it: We target to deliver...?

By the way you can accuse so many big companies, beeing unprofessionell: When did Samsung delivered their foldable device and when was promised. I wonder if you are Mister Pefect, doing all things right at every moment, never missed a meeting or a timeline.
If so your boss must pay you an enormous amount of money. On the other hand, then i don't know why you are complaining about the price...

I wonder if you ever have read what you write in this thread. If so you should also think about it!

mscion

2019-09-11 14:40

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1560165)

If I remember correctly, that is something Chen already considered during the prototyping phase. Some early prototypes had a smaller gap between the screen and the top row, and it was expanded later based just to solve this very issue you are mentioning.

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Thanks, but I still havn't actually heard from anyone that has tried it. At least as far as I can tell. Please do chime in if you did!

Just occurred to me. Did folks that checked out the phone have to sign a nondisclosure agreement?

Thanks!

gtmaster303

2019-09-11 15:03

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

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Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1560176)

If that was possible it would become a half a dozen person forum :D

At least then you don't have to wade through trash posts...

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-09-11 15:04

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1560187)

Just occurred to me. Did folks that checked out the phone have to sign a nondisclosure agreement?

Thanks!

Had to sign nothing, but Chen requested us specifically not to make pictures of the box the phone will be shipped in.

catbus

2019-09-11 15:23

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Even bigger company also have some delays...

HMD Global...:

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https://www.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/k...9-8d43a955ee30

At the beginning of the month, the company had sent a media invitation to the event, which was scheduled to take place today, Wednesday, September 11th.

However, the company canceled the event only a day before with a short message that read:

“We would like to inform you that the date of the event has been postponed. We will announce a new date soon. ”

The company did not respond to the message asking for the reason for the cancellation. In general, the company's events in India have been spectacular media events with local celebrities present and skipped ahead as "unique" and "exciting".

The event would probably launch the company's new smartphone models Nokia 6.2 and 7.2 in the Indian market.

---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---

HtheB

2019-09-11 15:35

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1560175)

The one thing I hate about this forum, there's no block user feature...

You can, click the following link to ignore shaihkritzer:
http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do...ignore&u=50468

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560184)

nobody forces you to stay here, you may leave at any moment.

stfu

xman	2019-09-11 16:10

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I think it's important to have nah sayers around to keep a reality check.

I don't agree with most of his arguments, but also don't think he should be banned.

What I don't understand is why if you guys are so offended by shaihkritzer, why keep responding to his every post? If he is a trigger for you maybe ask yourself is it important to reply back. I think many have made good arguments against most of his concerns. At this point those that argue are mostly just repeating the same points.

So the only negative I can see is someone new coming here and seeing all the negative point about f(x), however there are so many positive hands-on account and meeting with the f(x) crew ... that I would think it should drown out most folks concerns.

There have been plenty of failed project that made many promises on the internet ... especially in the tech sector ... so I can understand needing more concrete proof of delivery. But I personally think in this case the level of expectation is above and beyond what most companies and project will meet. Look at purism, pinphone, and the failed n9 n950, ubuntu phone .. they all had/have issues with delivery times or promises.

My bigger point is you don't always need to respond to opinions that you don't agree with :D

I still love this place with all its good and less than good. I just ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me.

This was much longer than I though sorry about that.

Cheers

x

mscion

2019-09-11 16:46

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560190)

Had to sign nothing, but Chen requested us specifically not to make pictures of the box the phone will be shipped in.

Ah ha! Reasonable request. So how was typing numbers at the top edge of the keyboard? Was it easy (a clear space) or does your finger push up on the part with the screen? Just askin.

catbus

2019-09-11 17:50

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^
This can happen if someone forgot lock the door...

netman

2019-09-11 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1560196)

I think it's important to have nah sayers around to keep a reality check.

I don't agree with most of his arguments, but also don't think he should be banned.

I fully agree here, even though I find some of his posts read as a baseless insult towards fxtec and chen I think it's not an appropriate reason for a ban. Banning should be for spambots and perhaps extreme cases when someone threatens real life violence or just vandalizes the forum, if it's done for too small reasons it's very detrimental to the social somethingorother concept thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1560196)

What I don't understand is why if you guys are so offended by shaihkritzer, why keep responding to his every post? If he is a trigger for you maybe ask yourself is it important to reply back. I think many have made good arguments against most of his concerns. At this point those that argue are mostly just repeating the same points.

I think the fuel that feeds this fire is that people are very anxious and excited to get the Pro1, while none of us can have it just yet (definitely including myself here) :D. Even shaikritzer clearly wants to own one quite badly, or he would have long time ago gotten tired of us and moved on.

On that note... I have a lot of faith that fxtec will get this done and done right :-). If the absolute worst happens I'll mourn but I would not regret supporting them, they have shown enough to convince me they're trying their absolute best and the world really needs a proper phone with a little keyboard on it.

P@t	2019-09-11 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1560178)

This is also possible with the new Withings watches, at a small fraction of the price of crapapple watches....

Also Withings used to be part of Nokia even though they now are French :D

you mean they used to be French and were.bought by Nokia ;)

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-09-11 19:32

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/p...es/#post-35670

https://i.imgur.com/rYHd94Y.jpg

gtmaster303

2019-09-11 19:38

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Side note to Chen congrats in advance to fxtec for getting nearly 1000 followers on twitter. Only 12 users away now.

Bundyo

2019-09-11 21:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1560172)

Watched yesterday Apple event on my friends place who is Apple devoted. A lot of overwords as usual but one thing I have thought a lot is the apple watch. My father has had several heart attacks and constant problems and I have also started to have heart problems. To get alerted by your wrist and to get instant EKG would be useful. And it seems it doesn't need anymore to have an iphone or other apple products (if I understood correctly). I just think it could be possible to make a microusb plug with wires and maybe some gadget included and get the same working with N900. Or on F(x)TecPro. I doubt they will opensource their sourcecode for the appropriate software for free use though.

Withings announced their ECG watch even before Apple's. :) I bet it is much more friendlier to other OSes than the Apple watch.

https://www.withings.com/us/en/move-ecg

theonelaw

2019-09-12 04:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1560175)

The one thing I hate about this forum, there's no block user feature...

There exists a fundamental problem with such 'blocking' features:
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Without frequent reminders
it becomes very easy to forget where toxic stupidity comes from.
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Without such 'blocking' features
such toxic stupidity leaves an easily referenced history
by which the levels of toxicity and depths of stupidity
can be properly quantified and analyzed.
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Be careful what you wish for....

beeki

2019-09-12 06:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1560204)

you mean they used to be French and were.bought by Nokia ;)

And Nokia sold it back to the management.

SaiKo

2019-09-12 08:04

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560167)

I remember them promising to start shipping in summer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1560185)

Are you sure he promised? Wasn't it: We target to deliver...?

even then, if they ship mid september they still shipped in summer, summer lasts until the 21st.

nikos523

2019-09-12 09:49

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Or move to Australia and problem solved [emoji23]

Anyway, jokes aside, i would really like to know who is actually interested in this device.
I mean, what types of users here would like to buy a device like this, or any similar device.
I'm just curious, cause here most users don't like modern devices with android and this is a 2-3 year old (spec wise) relatively modern device. OS wise, sure, they have some other options here like many other devices, but ships with android if I'm correct.
So, is it just the keyboard? Or people getting ready to move on from our beloved dead platforms to something else?
Again, this is pure curiosity and something I would really like to discuss without trolling and disrespect!

Boxeri

2019-09-12 09:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiKo (Post 1560222)

even then, if they ship mid september they still shipped in summer, summer lasts until the 21st.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560223)

lolwhat? In my country summer months are june july and august.

in such way, any month can be summer one to justify the delays :D let's switch to another calendar, problem solved!

Oh dear. Boys just let it go. You are both correct. :rolleyes:

Summer months are june - august, but from astronomical view it has something to do with the lining of the sun in accordance with the hespheres and that summer definition lasts till end of September.

Just chill. Go drink beer or hot cocoa ;)

blackjack4it

2019-09-12 09:59

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1560224)

Or move to Australia and problem solved [emoji23]

Anyway, jokes aside, i would really like to know who is actually interested in this device.
I mean, what types of users here would like to buy a device like this, or any similar device.
I'm just curious, cause here most users don't like modern devices and this is a 2-3 year old (spec wise) relatively modern device.
Is it just the keyboard? Or people getting ready to move on from our beloved dead platforms?
Again, this is pure curiosity and something I would really like to discuss without trolling and disrespect!

I am very interested but two things keeps me away from buying it:
1) too high price, 300-350€ could be my target price (normally I don't spend more than 200€ for a smartphone and I've added 100-150€ for the design and the physical keyboard in my max budget)
2) 835 snapdragon, my next smartphone will be at least 855

No rush in getting a new smartphone btw

Boxeri

2019-09-12 10:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1560224)

Or move to Australia and problem solved [emoji23]

Anyway, jokes aside, i would really like to know who is actually interested in this device.
I mean, what types of users here would like to buy a device like this, or any similar device.
I'm just curious, cause here most users don't like modern devices and this is a 2-3 year old (spec wise) relatively modern device.
Is it just the keyboard? Or people getting ready to move on from our beloved dead platforms?
Again, this is pure curiosity and something I would really like to discuss without trolling and disrespect!

I am personally in this for supporting brave individuals or companies that dare to go against the mainstream.

I have big problems with Apples business model. On the side of Android devices I just dont like how generic they have became, basically indistinguishable from each others.

Hwkb is not that big a must for me, but it is really nice to have. I weren't never biggest fan of n900, for me personally the greatest device to date have been n9 and n950.

Edit:

Oh, and from aesthetic view scirrocco and luna were the most beautiful phones

SaiKo

2019-09-12 10:01

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and in southeast asia they call march, april, may and june summer... and in australia its december, januari and februari... your point?

in most places people use the astronomical seasons, so summer starts at the summer solstice and ends at the autumn equinox... this is not secret information or anything, you can look it up.

kinggo

2019-09-12 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1560224)

:rolleyes:
Apart from SoC which really is 2 years old, what else is?????
Sure, it does miss all the modern useless gimmick but it offers something unique for half the price of note 10+.

nikos523

2019-09-12 10:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1560230)

:rolleyes:

Apart from SoC which really is 2 years old, what else is?????

Sure, it does miss all the modern useless gimmick but it offers something unique for half the price of note 10+.

For Q4 2019 and the price, I would say almost everything is more than 2 years old. Also "gimmick" is something that you don't know about or you don't use. If you use it, it's a feature and the whole point of smartphones today is to make your life simple!
But that wasn't my point. I'm not trying to bash the device. I just want to be subjective, even with things that work for me!
But if you want to have this conversation, completely unrelated to my post above, sure why not? :)

Trzyzet

2019-09-12 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1560224)

Anyway, jokes aside, i would really like to know who is actually interested in this device.

I have some skin problems (psoriasis) which even when I'm cured, my fingers does not work well with capacitive screens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackjack4it (Post 1560227)

I am very interested but two things keeps me away from buying it:
1) too high price, 300-350€ could be my target price (normally I don't spend more than 200€ for a smartphone

So what are you doing on the forum for the OS for devices which was ~$650 when was new??

Macros

2019-09-12 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trzyzet (Post 1560232)

So what are you doing on the forum for the OS for devices which was ~$650 when was new??

Nobody is excluded here because they don't have money to throw around. Every device relevant here could be bought for less than 50€ at some point. Except never officially released prototypes. And everybody can contribute.

If you decide to help out, e.g. with Maemo Leste, you may even get a device for free by a member. We help each other out here and aren't here to feel superior because we can afford expensive prices.

As for nikos523's question:
I am very interested in the device. I am waiting for a very long time for a device with certain characteristics and haven't bought a new smartphone since 2015 (used 808) As I know how difficult it is to develop a mobile device from scratch I am willing to pay a reasonable high price, which 650€ is.

My next phone has to have:
Keyboard, unlocked bootloader, at least 2GB of RAM, decent battery, headphone jack, LTE, reasonable fast prozessor
And it should have:
OLED, screen between 4 and 5 inch, very good camera, support from a Linux based system (Sailfish, Leste, ...), MicroSD slot
And of course there are nice-to-haves:
IR transmitter, FM radio, shutter button, good microphone, Dual SIM, good flash, capable GPU, ...

The Fxtec Pro 1 checks all of the must haves and even some nice-to-haves, but misses many of the should haves. (Screen size, camera, Linux). As it is the closest thing to what I want over so many years I may still get it out of desperation, but I will wait a bit before I do so. I hope I can test it with a community member here when the devices have shipped.

Astaoth

2019-09-12 11:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560234)

as mentioned before, I like to keep being individual and most modern smartphones are all the same without having any unique features (the most unique announce in past months IMO wasn't apple and it was some unknown brand with 6000 mAh battery android powerbank-phone). so I really like Blackberries for being somewhat unique, but I like side-slider form-factor more. currently I own the Nokia N93i as a temporary phone and even 15 years after, it still got that wow-factor of so flexible clamshell design. I bet if someone would make a modern smartphone in N93i design, it would be very great.

Do you mean something like this ?

Boxeri

2019-09-12 11:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Astaoth (Post 1560236)

Do you mean something like this ?

Same people that made Turing phone.... :(

Price tag over 2000€. Would be gorgeous device, but i give it 0% probability to come to the market.

Astaoth

2019-09-12 12:03

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After having posted my previous post I tried to find some news, but there were nothing since 2018.

Kabouik

2019-09-12 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560223)

lolwhat? In my country summer months are june july and august.

in such way, any month can be summer one to justify the delays :D let's switch to another calendar, problem solved!

If you live in Lemberg, then summer starts on June 21st and ends on September 21st. But no one really cares if the device is indeed shipped within the 3-month period that was once suggested before the prototyping phase was even over, this is what estimates are for. The device is coming now, which falls exactly in the time frame they announced.

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-09-12 13:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1560240)

If you live in Lemberg, then summer starts on June 21st and ends on September 21st. But no one really cares if the device is indeed shipped within the 3-month period that was once suggested before the prototyping phase was even over, this is what estimates are for. The device is coming now, which falls exactly in the time frame they announced.

Except it isn't coming this month, and Fxtec/Chen hasn't said anything regarding it yet.

DDark

2019-09-12 13:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560242)

Except it isn't coming this month

No official word on that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560242)

Fxtec/Chen hasn't said anything regarding it yet.

Exactly :p

netman

2019-09-12 13:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1560224)

Anyway, jokes aside, i would really like to know who is actually interested in this device.

I guess I am somewhat different in that I joined the forum because of the Pro1. I do have an n900 however, but I retired it years ago to go back to a non-smartphone. Later tried to embrace keyboardless Android slabs, bought an e72 way past it's expiry date because I had trouble typing, retired that for another Android because the software soon started to fall apart (protocols changing so I couldn't use the old apps). Never quite got along with touchscreen typing, every so often looked if not I could find a nice qwerty phone, considered buying used xperia mini pro and the likes. Something always felt missing.

Now when I seen a phone is coming that has a keyboard and has otherwise great specs, it's like "FINALLY!!", I must have it! 2-stage camera button is also really nice and seriously adds points for me.

Other OSes working is a bonus too but as much as I dislike it I'm somewhat locked in to Android due to communications apps (telegram, farcebook massager, what is app) and my phone operators dumb app so I am glad it ships with that and probably will just make that work for me by removing some of googles trash and replacing it with less obnoxious stuff, installing a linux chroot so i can have gcc on the phone, etc. I'm not excluding the option to try and make the social trash run on Sailfish or so (if it has a proper web browser most have a webchat thing), but I am not counting on that.

In summary, yeah, it's pretty much just the keyboard, but I'm really excited to be getting one so I wish Chen a good luck and a smooth path to getting them shipped to us soon :).

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-09-12 13:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DDark (Post 1560243)

No official word on that.

Exactly :p

https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/p.../2/#post-35804

????

ravelo

2019-09-12 14:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

This information is still not officially confirmed yet.

netman

2019-09-12 14:02

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560234)

well since I've used my N900 for almost 10 years, I had no opportunity to learn fast and errorless typing on touchscreen instead of HWKB. and I even doubt it's even possible.

I've tried to type on them a whole lot, tried many soft keyboards, swipe gesture typing nonsense, I think I've given it a fair chance. And I agree it's probably impossible to type accurately without hardware keys. The only thing I learned in years of trying is that it remains very frustrating, I don't recommend trying it.

DDark

2019-09-12 14:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560245)

https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/p.../2/#post-35804

????

Still unofficial, not coming from F(x)tec team or newsletter. Customer support not always got most up to date info.

As far as I understand it, lack of newsletter/communication means that they are still trying to work it out without delays.

mosen

2019-09-12 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560245)

https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/p.../2/#post-35804

????

You sure did not mix up the shipment for regular sales, which is early October with preorder which is still announced for mid September?

The thread at Fx forum does not make clear what the user asked FX support.
*Feels a little lost in translation*

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-09-12 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1560249)

/shrug

All I can hope is that the october shipping date is for non-preorderers!

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