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Bratag

2009-11-09 18:53

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by zico (Post 370028)

Funny that you mention that. Because thats what im actually doing, my friend wanted to pre-order a N900 today, i told him:

"if you don't want to be treated with respect, if you don't want it to ship when they tell you to, if you want to hang around forums all day long and wait for some release news, if want to be fooled by the company with fake release dates, then N900 is the phone for you. Otherwise just go with and android."

And thats what he did. Went with an andriod phone.
You have my word lads, as soon as i hear of a phone that has the same specs as n900, i will cancel asap, i don't even care if its not released yet.

And who added viagra to the tags?.. wth man?, you did make laugh thou.

Well you sure showed Nokia. Man they must be rushing to get you your N900 now. Now mark my words if you listen to rumor and take it as gospel and threaten to cancel every time you don't get what you want when you want it I suggest you hold your breath until you turn blue - then when that happens tape your mouth and nose shut and keep on holding it.

zico	2009-11-09 18:54

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by cenwesi (Post 370041)

All these people running to Andriod will surely come back...

Why should they?
I can almost promise that in maximum 2 years from now, the android will dominate, and we all will want an android device, i mean come on, its google ftw!
maemo will be nice, for now. for next year, yeah maybe. but thats it. you will see.

don't get me wrong, i will develop for the n900, but thats not enough to keep up with googles android. its absurd to think that.

c0rt3x

2009-11-09 18:55

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 370004)

Yes, I've seen your anti-Google posts. Often avoiding answering follow-up questions as you seem to favor rumors and personal bias more than facts. Your posts are now to the point of 'trolling' and regurgitation so I'm adding you to my ignore list to atleast filter that noise out. No hard feelings, we all have our preferences - but maybe be a little bit more objective and honest in how we express them. Bye.

If you read this, do you know why I'm *****ing about Google? Because I know a huge number of uninformed people visits the forums, and Google needs to be stopped. I could argue about this, but I prefer to do other things instead.

But I have time to make Google look bad for the vast majority, and if you don't understand why this is needed, you'll either thank me in the future (if not too late), or you're simply dependent on Google already.

IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Apple... this has happened too many times. Google has already surpassed the most of them, and yet they're considered as nice.

I'm partly doing this for myself, because I don't want to live in a second communistic regime (you obviously don't know how it is... ask people who have experienced something like that), and I'm doing others a favor at the same time (I guess they have the same feelings about communism as I do, just not being aware of it).

And please, don't say that Google isn't a threat for the human freedom. Google Books has created a huge unwill of writing for European authors, and this is one of Google's "nicer" services. And yet no one does anything about it...

I know I can't do anything as a single person, but at least I decided to let others know...

Please answer on the following question, and then I can discuss further, because I know how strong relations some people already have with Google.

Do you consider that evolution can happen without alternatives?

The evolution theory is just a model, but that model can describe many phenomenon around the world, and the tech world isn't an exception. Google is slowly but steadily gaining monopoly on every single market (except Windows to be replaced by Chrome OS within 10 years if attraction against Google won't be done), and that can't certainly be good for the future of the human kind, right!?

Please reply what you think about that, and don't say that this is fantasy or something else: this is the reality - a reality which I don't want to be part of. I don't know how it's about you, at least I'm doing something to change it.

I can't do much, but it's better than nothing. At least I'm not defending a company that doesn't need it.

Since I joined here last month you obviously don't know much about me, but I did the same thing against Microsoft's Windows services some years ago - which isn't a threat anymore. In my opinion, Google is the one we must focus on right now, or who else has the highest priority according to you (because there's always some evil in this world)?

fluido

2009-11-09 18:58

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

1. Root access is not 'illegal' for Android, nor is it for the iPhone.

Well, it is commonly called jailbreaking, Not exacty the kind of activity I like to spend time doing. I have been using, administering and programming on Unix machines for more than two decades now, and I get it as a personal offense if I am not given the root password of *my* machine. With the responsibilities that root passwords bring.

Quote:

2. You do not need a Google account on many roms.

When I first read about Android I learned that the phone would not even activate if you did not first set up an account at Google. This was sufficient to make me lose any interest on the platform. We are talking about attitudes here.

Quote:

3. You can also develop in C, C++, Python, and Lua.

I admit that I did not follow the Android world too much recently. But that is because it has lost any appeal it may have had for an IT professional since the N900 has appeared. The N900 has a CPU that is powerful enough to compile stuff, and lots of memory. I can connect to it via SSH and it will appear just like any other machine I use. But when the USB cable is detached, it is a fully-functional phone plus organizer plus media player plus ... ... ...
Unbeatable.

yerjoshy

2009-11-09 19:01

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Ok Guys this is the conversation that i had with Peter Maemo (Schnider) via twitter:

Yerjoshy @PeterMaemo Hey Peter what is your name? Peter Maemo or Peter Delaymo? Please the release of N900 now!!!

PeterMaemo @Yerjoshy Come on. I understand that you want the N900 rather today than later, but with these "jokes" we are not gettings much further...

That´s all and now he is talking in twitter about the vision of their boss(which is delay the n900 to obtain more pre-orders) and the charges and any other matter diferent of the release of the N900.

Sorry Nuk Nuk and NvyUs but you will be waiting for the n900 for long!!!

Bratag

2009-11-09 19:01

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by zico (Post 370048)

Yep because there is nothing I love more than developing for a platform where every time I write a piece of software I have to write a version for every goddam phone that comes out.

Right now I cannot guarantee any of my software will run from one phone to the next. So that means as a dev I need to have one of every phone (or pay exorbitant fees for a test bed) and I need to have the following SDK envs

Droid - Android 2.0 - completely new and undocumented API changes for almost all hardware

Cliq - Android 1.5 - All the new perms stuff in 1.6 breaks it

Hero - 1.6 with extras - HTC have made acknowledged changed to the way layouts are parsed and that causes many apps to act weirdly on them

G1 - 1.6 about as vanilla as it gets.

And its only going to get worse as Samsung enter the fray and make their changes to the base OS leading to more splintering leading to more devs losing their effing minds trying to code against the API only to find that the API no longer applies on many phones and now needs some new API that of course HTC et al do not provide documentation for.

GOOD TIMES!!!

Venomrush

2009-11-09 19:03

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Funny, just seen this:

From 10 November, the iPhone can be unlocked for O2 customers in the UK http://tr.im/ECFs

I bet that's going to shake up the market!

Bratag

2009-11-09 19:04

Re: N900 shipping delayed

On another note http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/n...f-youre-lucky/

SON OF A BEOCH :)

And

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/08/f...broken-phones/

LOL

yerjoshy

2009-11-09 19:07

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Guys Do you remenber the maemo project competition? i found this please read the part of send the prize for the winners and check the dates!!!! this is the dates of release of the N900 ithink so.

http://www.maemoproject.com/MaemoProjectTCs.pdf

or better here is:

Determination of the winner
All entries will be entered into a draw which will be decided at random by an independent
adjudicator. The competition period ends on November 13.
Winner will be notified by mail, email, or telephone by November 20, 2009 to the address and/or
phone number provided by winner upon registration as a Participant in the Contest. An email
notifying winner of his/her Prize will include a request for his/her preferred mailing address.
Winner must respond with his/her preferred mailing address by November 27, 2009 failing which
the winner shall forfeit the Prize. In the event of such forfeiture, Sponsor shall select another
winner based on the second name drawn or dispose of the Prize in any way it deems fit.
The Prize shall be delivered to the winner at the address provided by the winner. Such delivery
may be by courier service, postal service or other means as determined solely by Sponsor. Sponsor
shall not be liable for any loss or damage whatsoever which is suffered (including, but not limited
to, indirect or consequential loss) in the delivery of the Prize to the winner.

rm42	2009-11-09 19:09

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by 406NotAcceptable (Post 370008)

1. Root access is not 'illegal' for Android, nor is it for the iPhone.
2. You do not need a Google account on many roms.
3. You can also develop in C, C++, Python, and Lua.

1. If you obtained either an Android device or an iPhone through a network subsidy then you are most likely restricted from rooting/jailbraking by the contract you signed with the network. Doing so would put you in breach of contract.

3. From what I read and saw about the scripting capabilities of Android it seemed to me that you couldn't create a full blown application, in Python for example. It didn't look to me that you could just give someone a "myApp.py" file and have it show up as a full blown GUI app when ran, as you can in Maemo. If that is the case, Python scripts in Android are restricted to acting like macros. At least that is what I gathered from here:

http://google-opensource.blogspot.co...scripting.html

Rushmore

2009-11-09 19:13

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 370061)

Not to mention Sony and their apparent addition of video codecs and other OS distortions due to their proprietary UI ;)

n900freak

2009-11-09 19:17

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Sun god has spoken and all rants for November 9th have been silenced. Eagerly awaiting next rumoured date Nov 14th for US. hmmmmm 5 sleeps to go

juxxxer

2009-11-09 19:18

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by God (Post 370054)

I mean, why give out 300 prototypes when the release date is approx. 1 month away?
so why didn't they do this testing 6 months before announcing anything?!

I think this is balance between how many applications there are ready when release (for public) and sw quality.

It's no use to give prototypes out if you have issues with lower level things. So you need to get sw quality in some level after it's useful to give it to developers. And for app developers - it's frustrating to try to develop anything if there are problems you cannot affect.

But of course, there was too optimistic view of sw quality or some features which they thought to get ready before first launch date... or something else.

andyfrommk

2009-11-09 19:19

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerjoshy (Post 370058)

Ok Guys this is the conversation that i had with Peter Maemo (Schnider) via twitter:

YADDA YADDA YADDA

That´s all and now he is talking in twitter about the vision of their boss(which is delay the n900 to obtain more pre-orders) and the charges and any other matter diferent of the release of the N900.
long!!!.......

Got evidence of these chats?

dansus

2009-11-09 19:19

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerjoshy (Post 370067)

No, sorry.

zico	2009-11-09 19:19

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by c0rt3x (Post 370051)

Do you consider that evolution can happen without alternatives?

The evolution theory is just a model, but that model can describe many phenomenon around the world, and the tech world isn't an exception. Google is slowly but steadily gaining monopoly on every single market (except Windows to be replaced by Chrome OS within 10 years if attraction against Google won't be done), and that can't certainly be good for the future of the human kind, right!?

Please reply what you think about that, and don't say that this is fantasy or something else: this is the reality - a reality which I don't want to be part of. I don't know how it's about you, at least I'm doing something to change it.

I can't do much, but it's better than nothing. At least I'm not defending a company that doesn't need it.

Since I joined here last month you obviously don't know much about me, but I did the same thing against Microsoft's Windows services some years ago - which isn't a threat anymore. In my opinion, Google is the one we must focus on right now, or who else has the highest priority according to you (because there's always some evil in this world)?

Interesting, but if you think for a while, the evolution theory, if its correct i may add, did result with us humans, thru millions of years of "updating", and we are the final release. At least for now.

On the way to the final release, many other races, arts where "deleted", because they where not good enough, but we are.

I personally see google, as the final release. Because, everything they do is honestly almost perfect. Just look at the recent Google Wave, isn't it just beautiful? Why wouldn't you want to be a part of that?

Maybe you should see it from different angels, not as monopoly. And the only cause that they are expanding and taking over, is because people are joining them, because they want to be apart of something new, better.

You don't see google making adds for Google wave, "click here to join", but instead you see people asking for invitations from friends, forums etc.
And also, i have used gmail for years now, and its still in beta stage!, that means they are always trying to make things better and never satisfied with "just fine".

eiffel

2009-11-09 19:21

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 369967)

...Words from ... the company's own sales department are not Official

That's true, for sure.

But when the different sales departments of a company give dates that are different from each other, and different from the dates given by the company's Maemo marketing manager, it's a sure sign that the company is rather messed up internally.

Nokia has a whole division whose job it is to take phones to market after their design is finished. At the very least, that division should have someone who communicates with all their resellers (in-house and third-party) and helps them to convey correct and meaningful information to their customers.

And as for the Nokia staff who processed the re-orders for those whose orders were messed up, they confidently assured me that my specific order would ship on November 10 if they couldn't get it done on November 9. And they didn't change their story until the last working day before November 9. It really is pathetic.

But for me, the whole charade started about July 2008, when I came here to find out what was in store for the future Nokia Internet Tablets. A Nokia staff member assured me, confidently but off the record, that all would be revealed in a few months at the 2008 Maemo summit. Of course, it wasn't. All we found out then was that the next Maemo device might or might not have a keyboard, might or might not have a stylus, would have a high-quality camera and a display of some unspecified size, would have HSPA data but may or may not be a phone. I mean, that really helps a potential developer doesn't it?

GunnerzMate

2009-11-09 19:21

Re: N900 shipping delayed

I'm hoping NukNuk isn't going to do something silly...

zehjotkah

2009-11-09 19:27

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by zico (Post 370084)

I personally see google, as the final release. Because, everything they do is honestly almost perfect. Just look at the recent Google Wave, isn't it just beautiful? Why wouldn't you want to be a part of that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-Wa...feature=fvste3

406NotAcceptable

2009-11-09 19:32

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluido (Post 370055)

Jailbreaking is an iPhone term. For the G1 it is simply, 'getting root'.

Quote:

. The N900 has a CPU that is powerful enough to compile stuff, and lots of memory. I can connect to it via SSH and it will appear just like any other machine I use. But when the USB cable is detached, it is a fully-functional phone plus organizer plus media player plus ... ... ...
Unbeatable.

Nothing listed you can't do on Android.

If you like, the bad bits regarding Android (I am no fanboy!) are: only supporting Eclipse IDE for Java development, Google services draining the battery (constant synching, etc,) no real 'high-end' phone (until Droid,) capative screens only, lack of true Java support, no Bluetooth file sharing, etc.

range

2009-11-09 19:35

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by n900freak (Post 369985)

hmmmmm, patience is a virtue, but a little bit of transparency from Nokia is still preferred. Not sure how does their marketing guys justify their heafty pay packages :mad:

How do you know what they earn?

jsbigs

2009-11-09 19:37

Re: N900 shipping delayed

As we've now pushed past 2000 posts and as we march on to 3000, I'm starting to feel like these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk

(NOT a rickroll, fyi)

Kusk	2009-11-09 19:39

Re: N900 shipping delayed

New tweet from Maemo Peter:

Quote:

talk.maemo.org running at record levels today on the 9th day of November 2009.. Over 900 concurrent members live.

http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo

It only hit 900 because people came in to bitc* about their phones not being delivered. :confused:

les_garten

2009-11-09 19:39

Re: N900 shipping delayed

I feel a lot better about the delay now. Why you ask?

I looked up some videos of the Moto Milestone, the GSM DROID. It seems that is the only Plan "B" for me. I watched about 5 Videos and that thing just Blows and totally misses the boat, AGAIN! Missed BOAT version 2.0. I was looking because I'm disheartened and thought if the GSM DROID came available I would not be able to resist.

Well, I feel much better now! But my patience of course is not infinite...

maxximum

2009-11-09 19:42

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Personally I'm not that happy about gobbryfux anyway.. wasn't in the spec. gobbry would be nice , but loose the fux !

HesZs

2009-11-09 19:44

Re: N900 shipping delayed

just a reminder not to get off topic because we will never reach the 3000 now that we have passed the 2000!! STAY FOCUSED!!!

NicolasF

2009-11-09 19:44

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 370103)

May I ask why the Droid blows in your opinion? (I'm between the N900 and the Droid, but more towards the Droid).

Thanks! :)

range

2009-11-09 19:45

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerjoshy (Post 370058)

Seems to be a rather patient person - Peter, that is. WTF did you even bother him with that?

JD2010

2009-11-09 19:48

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by n900freak (Post 370079)

Sun god has spoken and all rants for November 9th have been silenced. Eagerly awaiting next rumoured date Nov 14th for US. hmmmmm 5 sleeps to go

I have been counting my sleep like that but I geting to 0 all the time so I don't know at wich number to start

hypnotik

2009-11-09 19:50

Re: N900 shipping delayed

PeterMaemo talking about talk.maemo running at record levels:

http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo/status/5566269852

Quote:

talk.maemo.org running at record levels today on the 9th day of November 2009.. Over 900 concurrent members live.

well yeah, we want the n900 released already.

JD2010

2009-11-09 19:52

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusk (Post 370102)

New tweet from Maemo Peter:

http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo

It only hit 900 because people came in to bitc* about their phones not being delivered. :confused:

Peter is getting popular these days

JD2010

2009-11-09 19:55

Re: N900 shipping delayed

If it continu this thread is going to hit 1000 more every day

Venomrush

2009-11-09 20:18

Re: N900 shipping delayed

I'm back from work.

Just reading through 20 pages generated within the last 6 hours..

1 thing that came to mind was I had doubts they won't be shipping out the device today because I never saw the latest firmware uploaded on NSU for the N900.

The latest is still 1.009.42.2 and it's only available for product code 0574383 (Germany)

When we see more firmware uploaded, we'll know for sure they're ready to ship the device.

Hmtsjmftsch

2009-11-09 20:19

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Shipment has started, according to this (dutch) site:
http://www.mobilyz.com/nieuws/hardwa...u-uitgeleverd/
Some others report the same as well. Don't know if they are reliable. Going to do some more research.

Edit: this site reports the same. It even says Nokia announced they started shipping today:
http://www.connexie.nl/actueel/2731/...e_winkels.html

Not sure whether it's true, though, because both only say it will be in the shops "this month". Sounds a bit vague to me.

Fargus

2009-11-09 20:28

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewan (Post 369924)

Shipping stuff around from factory to wholesaler to retail to couriers to users all takes time. I'd rather they started that process now, got the device out, and then had a software update ready to go by the time the phone physically reaches me. Hell, I bought a TV recently and the very first thing it did on being switched on was a firmware update, I wouldn't be worried about a phone doing the same thing.

Also; regardless of what the release date is, and what the source of the hold-up is, the decent thing to do is to tell us honestly what's going on, not deliberately keep us in the dark with only occasional vague hints to go on.

That does rather assume that the holdup is a firmware issue and not something with hardware - maybe even an accessory that is in the main package? Sure they don't want a battery recall incident like Sony do they?

rm42	2009-11-09 20:35

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 370183)

You mean some thing like this?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/n...ecall-program/

11/(14-17)/09

2009-11-09 20:39

Re: N900 shipping delayed

id be fine with getting my pre order soon if the only drawback was a slight risk of shock and death. I already seppuku'd myself once over this whole thing.

msand83

2009-11-09 20:40

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Nokia Finland Online shop says that delivery to customers will start week 48!

hypnotik

2009-11-09 20:41

Re: N900 shipping delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hmtsjmftsch (Post 370173)

Edit: this site reports the same. It even says Nokia announced they started shipping today:
...
Sounds a bit vague to me.

Yeah it does sound a bit vague. I call shenanigans.

cenwesi