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gtmaster303 2019-09-12 15:00

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1560245)

FML... Really wish I didn't see those posts.
They really need to get their **** together... And we need an official update. If it is actually delayed I want to know ASAP, not after the fact.
They also shouldn't be dishing out info via individual emails before broadcasting on official channels either. That just looks bad

And damn it, commit to a date already. I don't care if it's December 31, but give me some accountability. I would much rather they underpromise and overdeliver than the opposite. They took my deposit over a month ago and I don't appreciate being left in the dark. Apologies if I sound annoyed but I've wanted this device forever now... Waiting on you Chen!

Amboss 2019-09-12 15:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560223)
... In my country summer months are june july and august. ...

If your location is Lemberg as in Lemberg near Pirmasens the definition of summer of Germany applies to "your country" as well. Guess what it starts at June 21st and ends at September 23rd in calendar context. You wouldn't want to say that weather or astronomical circumstances are more appropriate to be applied on a business matter, do you?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Me German as well.

gtmaster303 2019-09-12 15:02

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ravelo (Post 1560246)
This information is still not officially confirmed yet.

They have no reason to be lied to via emails from fxtec directly.
Given the lack of a ship date and no real updates, we can safely assume it's delayed. But I want to know exactly what the damage is from the source too

Kabouik 2019-09-12 15:08

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
However impatient I am to get my Pro1, today is still September 12th. For all we know, until the point when they send a corrected statement, the lack of new update means they are still on track with their previous statement. Those guys are building something that the market hasn't seen in years, and they are a small team. Can we not cut them some slack instead of making all this fuzz for a few days before even knowing whether they might be late?

Even if they happened to ship on September 21st, or even October 1st, I would be frustrated but still happy with their hard work, and consider they are close enough given all things that are not in their hands, especially given small companies like theirs have very little leverage to push huge factories 100 times bigger (not sure which factory they contracted, but it is likely one order of magnitude more).

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1560253)
Given the lack of a ship date and no real updates, we can safely assume it's delayed.

Or the opposite, until stated otherwise. I mean, you might very well be right, but now is not the moment to claim it and blame them; they are still on track as far as we know. It is not like their last communication was three months ago.

catbus 2019-09-12 16:05

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1560249)
You sure did not mix up the shipment for regular sales, which is early October with preorder which is still announced for mid September?

This!

October for "global" shipment... Nothing about preorders... I understand those words like that...

edit:
From FAQ:

The current estimated shipping date to pre-order customers is September, watch out for updates over email or on social media:

gtmaster303 2019-09-12 18:59

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1560254)
However impatient I am to get my Pro1, today is still September 12th. For all we know, until the point when they send a corrected statement, the lack of new update means they are still on track with their previous statement. Those guys are building something that the market hasn't seen in years, and they are a small team. Can we not cut them some slack instead of making all this fuzz for a few days before even knowing whether they might be late?

Even if they happened to ship on September 21st, or even October 1st, I would be frustrated but still happy with their hard work, and consider they are close enough given all things that are not in their hands, especially given small companies like theirs have very little leverage to push huge factories 100 times bigger (not sure which factory they contracted, but it is likely one order of magnitude more).


Or the opposite, until stated otherwise. I mean, you might very well be right, but now is not the moment to claim it and blame them; they are still on track as far as we know. It is not like their last communication was three months ago.

Don't mean to sound insensitive but no I don't want to cut them slack. As far as I'm concerned they already got nearly two months of slack when they missed the July Target and are continuing are to receive more slack with each potential delay.

I don't doubt for a second that they're doing what they feel is right but as a paying customer, I want answers... And if there's no answer it's tough to be the glass half full guy

pinvoke 2019-09-12 19:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1560159)
Will indeed update status very shortly. Team is working hard for the delivery.

I think we have a different understanding of a "very shortly" timerange. It's great you take your time. But leave us a sentence or two pretty please.

However, FAQ says mid september, and they have written the same thing in a comment on facebook a day ago:

https://www.facebook.com/fxtec/posts...63670867461277

Quote:

We are shipping pre-orders mid-September and general availability will begin in October. https://www.androidcentral.com/fxtec...tarts-shipping...

For order support and questions please email us at info@fxtec.com
Never thought I will ever visit Facebook again and feel violated now.

chenliangchen 2019-09-12 20:06

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I think I need to make it clear that my intention of posting at TMO has always been as a community member,. And I just want to give as much information as I can. I didn't intend to do official announcement and they were never are any. Everything I posted here is of my personal.

But I think now it's the best to leave it to official FX forum or customer inquiry to answer those. To avoid further mis-understanding as of being FX customer services or something else.

Sorry but I would not provide more comments. Please head to FX forum (although it isn't at the state I wanted but we will improve) and someone from Team FX will get those answered.

Whether I am posting or not I will always be a TMO member and proud of this community.

PS: not specifically to any users here. Nothing personal to anyone.

deutch1976 2019-09-12 20:27

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1560263)
I think I need to make it clear that my intention of posting at TMO has always been as a community member,. And I just want to give as much information as I can. I didn't intend to do official announcement and they were never are any. Everything I posted here is of my personal.

But I think now it's the best to leave it to official FX forum or customer inquiry to answer those. To avoid further mis-understanding as of being FX customer services or something else.

Sorry but I would not provide more comments. Please head to FX forum (although it isn't at the state I wanted but we will improve) and someone from Team FX will get those answered.

Whether I am posting or not I will always be a TMO member and proud of this community.

PS: not specifically to any users here. Nothing personal to anyone.

Apart from that diacussion i would like to ask a few questions if you don't mind
First is if FX tec1 pro will have FM radio once it is so hard to activate it on SD835
Second is if it will come with android 8 or 9. This because of the problems on XA2 installing Sailfish os on Android 9
Thanks

Koiruus 2019-09-12 20:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1560264)
Apart from that diacussion i would like to ask a few questions if you don't mind
First is if FX tec1 pro will have FM radio once it is so hard to activate it on SD835
Second is if it will come with android 8 or 9. This because of the problems on XA2 installing Sailfish os on Android 9
Thanks

I think chen just made pretty clear that he will not answer our questions here anymore :D Don't know about the radio, but about the OS, Android 9 (Pie) is stated on Fxtec site for os version. https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/

netman 2019-09-12 20:38

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1560265)
I think chen just made pretty clear that he will not answer our questions here anymore :D Don't know about the radio, but about the OS, Android 9 (Pie) is stated on Fxtec site for os version. https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/

FM radio is also listed as a yes.

Kabouik 2019-09-12 21:09

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I really don't understand all the tension and complaints in the last few pages about a supposed delay, despite F(x)tec clearly stating pre-orders will be shipped around mid-September (newsletter, FAQ, social medias multiple times), while we haven't even reached the end of the second week of the month.

I do not get it, blaming them for being late before they are late. What is the point of asking Chen to give extra information if the information already available is totally overlooked?

Maybe they will be late. But seriously, is it not possible to control anger and frustration until they are justified? Are we really reforming the official dates of summer to make sure they are late when they are not? I hate to say that, but jeez.

deutch1976 2019-09-12 21:36

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560269)
oh I get it. at own forum it's pretty easy to BAN those freaking trolls with so uncomfortable questions (and delete such posts), and here it's not possible. so only what's left is to leave only to evade such questions.

that's how they call freedom of speech in China.

I offer to cancel paid preorders without refund if customer is behaving bad in any way. that would improve a lot :D :D


I assume there's a lot of fails and delays incoming if Chen leaves this place. I don't think there's a sense to follow this project with such attitude unless someone receives acutal device and confirms it possible to receive it.

Freedom of speeche is one thing. Calling liar, scammer, cheater and lots of other things is not right. Try, one day, take a risk like Chen is taking and then you guys have the right to speak

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-12 22:24

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Christ this guy really doesn't get a hint or does he? How is this phone a scam? There have been multiple events where you can try the prototypes.

I only want to cancel my order if it's delayed because quite frankly, for someone living on benefit (aka autismbux) that amount of money is quite a lot.

Jvizo 2019-09-12 22:24

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560272)
UPD: HAHHAHAHA fxtec official forum has messages pre-moderation turned on. looks like they really don't want any complaints to be heard. I'm ROFLing of such marketing: first take folk's money then shut their mouth so they can't complain about receiving nothing. brilliant! every day it's looking more and more like a scam.

The official forum has had pre-moderation turned on for some time due to some incessant spamming problems. It's not a new or particularly related occurrence.

VaZso 2019-09-12 22:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560272)
UPD: HAHHAHAHA fxtec official forum has messages pre-moderation turned on.

It has moderation turned on since several weeks now.
It is not related to Pro1 launch or delay but initiated by spams.

Several spam messages appeared on the forum which were deleted by next day but started to appear again.

This is the reason of moderation which is temporary while the root of the problem is not resolved.
However, it makes the forum being far from interactive.

Moderator is also tired in constantly looking through threads and approving messages, but he said spam messages are still arriving.

Naturally, they have more important problems around Pro1 launch now but they should have to find a solution soon...

pinvoke 2019-09-12 22:34

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Must be hard to be on several spectrums..

VaZso 2019-09-12 22:45

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560276)
how naive one must be to believe that if there are a few working prototypes, it can't be a scam...

Do you have any idea what you need to build up a phone like this?
If you want to scam, you may skip some steps (like expensive measurements), but...
...you still need to design the internal circuits (schematics and PCB), design a case, have to go through iterations on schematic/PCB-wise if something really need to be modified, soldering components somehow (cooperation with a smaller company because of small components and BGA parts), making the hardware to live, put up some boot loader, operating system, programming handling of special functions like slider open/close.

So, doing all the necessary background work to build a thing which looks well in your hands, looks like a phone but is only a scam...

Only an idiot would do that intentionally because it is really expensive - even if you don't do a fully working device and don't do expensive measurements and certifications.

Not speaking about if you send it to Sailfish / Lineage programmers, the cheat would be revealed very shortly.

I understand your frustration but I think you know nothing about electronics and programming.

VaZso 2019-09-12 23:07

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560279)
it's never too late to become a scammer if one didn't intend to do so in the first place.

let's imagine the following: device production becomes unprofitable at the very late steps of production. why not gather all preorders payments and run away? yes, it wouldn't cover all the expenses, but why bother? annouche the company as bankrupt and case closed. preoders money in own pocket... simple as heck.

...and still travelling the world proving the device is really exists, showing your face and identity but still hoping you can run away...

It is not looking to be a real scenario.

Kabouik 2019-09-13 00:12

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560269)
...
Page 237
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I truly hope one day, in a far future, you take a deep breath and look backwards at all your contributions to this thread and realize how disrespectful and biased they all have been.

We may have fantasized the device and project with abundant enthusiasm, but the extent of your bad faith as well as how quick you are to draw it are hard to believe. I mean no disrespect, really, but if only you could witness it, that'd be something.

mosen 2019-09-13 00:17

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560272)
"first you have to achieve something if you want to criticize something"? :D

No, but it helps greatly to show understanding of what you criticize to be taken serious.
Having done or witnessed similar things and talk from experience is only one way to achieve that, but it is the most convincing.

Thanks btw for single handedly cutting off our all direct line to FX.
Good job.
It got really annoying to have all those baseless first hand information thwart your stream of precious opinions.

mosen 2019-09-13 01:30

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Just wanted to let you know that every time you call my grown friend a possible scammer or describe things you do not get as fails, my heart and brain sting hefty. :(

You clearly overestimate the meaning of chen writing here. He thought he was partying among like-minded until someone started to puke into his flower vases. Just the party is over. Work continues.

Bye for now and best wishes for you to find some trust and fulfilment!

gtmaster303 2019-09-13 01:58

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
@all
If you're feeding the troll deliberately, you're no better than the troll itself

DDark 2019-09-13 04:18

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Is it possible to add some prawn cocktail flavored snacks to order?
Can I add it to someone else’s order?
What if I don’t know the person’s order number?

Fellfrosch 2019-09-13 07:13

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1560263)

Whether I am posting or not I will always be a TMO member and proud of this community.

I hope you don't really think about posting nothing more. Your Input is allways welcome! Anyway I can totally understand, if you don't post in THIS Thread anymore...:rolleyes:

Thanx for being part of this community!

Maemish 2019-09-13 08:13

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I gladly accept all the frustrated posts concerning delays. But I think chen has used a lot of word 'hope' in his posts (if I remember right). Like: "We hope to start shipments on..." He has really hoped to be able to deliver the device sooner but because of uncercainty not willing to give an exact date. And lift my hat high for him. Still being able to read this thread and answer in a polite way. I would certainly think twice to tell anyone here if I would be starting to make a device I would think many wants. Chen is first a member of this community and only second someone who dared to start an amazing project for us

deutch1976 2019-09-13 09:31

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
All these questions, doubts and critics remind me of a known crucifiction that happened a long long time ago...

alfredquack 2019-09-13 11:37

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I do not care at all.

Looks like the device ist just hitting market and how many more slider phones are there at the moment?

C'mon guys feel free to add your own product before complaining.

Astaoth 2019-09-13 11:48

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I don't understand, aren't they currently starting the shipping ? Isn't it what they said on FB and there ? Well, maybe they talk about the shipping from China, I don't know, but it looks like they are on schedule, are't they ?

During the mass shipping during a product launch, isn't it normal that there is no news because they are very busy to expedite all the sold products ?

Since they are very busy and will not answer, maybe we should wait until the end of the month before complaining ? Or at least asking to the support if they have any informations about it ?

VaZso 2019-09-13 12:01

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Astaoth (Post 1560296)
Well, maybe they talk about the shipping from China, I don't know, but it looks like they are on schedule, are't they ?

Anyway, shipping directly from China may not add too much delays if it would be delivered by a company like DHL or FedEX - they are very fast like 2-4 business days even from far places like from China to Europe.

Maybe TAX / VAT are more complicated that way but they may have a solution / agreement for that. :-)

Fellfrosch 2019-09-13 13:41

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1560300)
more, MOAR scholar-level universal arguments!!!

Where are yours????? I haven't seen one valid argument from you, just senseless ranting. You speak of broken promises where there were never promises. You haven't preordered but you are the one complaining, accusing and insulting. You are speaking of delays where there are possibly none....

Chen seems to be a wise man, in not posting here anymore. I'm out as well. This thread has become a useless discussion.

pinvoke 2019-09-13 14:18

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Well it's always a personal choice to acknowledge response from others. I've really liked to read this thread and it would be a shame if one guy derails it. Especially when I can only imagine it's a kid playing with finger colors painting the livingroom walls anew here.

Just don't enable him and let's keep it straight and calm.

I currently think of alternative uses for the keyboard. Sure there are macros/Tasker, and it will probably also handle Emulation very well.
Would be cool if some could map app functionality to keyboard keys (Camera for example as in zoom, iso level, manual focusing and stuff).

deutch1976 2019-09-13 14:22

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1560301)
Where are yours????? I haven't seen one valid argument from you, just senseless ranting. You speak of broken promises where there were never promises. You haven't preordered but you are the one complaining, accusing and insulting. You are speaking of delays where there are possibly none....

Chen seems to be a wise man, in not posting here anymore. I'm out as well. This thread has become a useless discussion.

This reminds me a situation i had a few years ago. I used to replace a coworker of mine but on day i told him i could not go dut to an unforseen. He then asks if i was not able to inform him before...:confused:

ThomasAH 2019-09-13 14:31

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I think it's actually priceless that shaihkritzer:

- is already convicting FxTec about delays and scams and what not, when delays aren't even confirmed,
- actually hasn't pre-ordered the device, and apparently dislikes the company creating it with a passion, yet he is one of the most active members in this thread. It begs the question: why? :p It's like going to a children's party where you didn't want to go anyway, and then pissing on the birthday cake because you are... bored? Hungry for attention? What is the reason exactly?

I said it 10 pages ago, it's better to be rid of toxic people like him, not contributing in any fashion. Doom-/plot-thinking, name calling etc. is easy, we don't need him for that.

It a shame to see members like Chen and Fellfrosch leave because of it. But what can you do, freedom of speech, right...? ;)

gtmaster303 2019-09-13 14:34

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDark (Post 1560289)
Is it possible to add some prawn cocktail flavored snacks to order?
Can I add it to someone else’s order?
What if I don’t know the person’s order number?

4852
Come at me bro!
Lol...

deutch1976 2019-09-13 14:55

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1560305)
4852
Come at me bro!
Lol...

Order 4805 paid

DDark 2019-09-13 15:29

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Still wondering if it’s possible at all.

And to keep it positive, I’ll happily pay snacks invoice for the two orders specified above this message. (Edit: If it’s possible at all, can’t get prawn cocktail flavor at my location)

olf 2019-09-13 15:56

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1560287)
@all
If you're feeding the troll deliberately, you're no better than the troll itself

Lol, it took you that long to figure this out?
:p

P.S.: Take a look at the up-voters and number of up-votes to your posting; behavioural hints are obviously senseless in this thread!

Side note: Back then (just a few days ago) the votes raised a bit of hope in me (but you correctly seem to have had a different impression).

gtmaster303 2019-09-13 16:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by olf (Post 1560308)
Lol, it took you that long to figure this out?
:p

P:S: Take a look at the up-voters and number of up-votes to your posting; behavioural hints are obviously senseless in this thread!

Oh trust me I've known that for a while, that's why I added him to the ignore list. But that feature doesn't work well if fools keep quoting him...

gtmaster303 2019-09-13 16:52

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Not sure if anyone noticed but I think they removed the shipping date question from the FAQ. Up until Wednesday they looked like they were on schedule based on their Facebook posts and went dark after that. Multiple users asked about ship dates and they all went unanswered. Getting some mixed signals here but most of it points to a delay...
If there was ever a time to be forthcoming, it would be now


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