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Play nice kids.

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Why do you get banned every alternate day? :o

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You keep claiming to know what 'most' people want, yet NOKIA's sales continue to tell a completely different story. Even after the absolute devastation Elop has wreacked on NOKIA's own operating systems they still outsell NOKIA's WP7 handsets.

In Q4 2010 NOKIA sold 28.3 million smart phones and their sales were increasing, now they're down to 10 million and only 4 million of those are WP7 handsets (personally I'd question whether those should actually be regarded as smart phones seeing as some Series 40 phones offer greater functionality, but that's another story). NOKIA better hope 'most' people get the gig pretty soon.



I had read a quote from an analyst predicting a little bounce because the share price had got so low NOKIA's patent portfolio alone was worth more.

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Well, Nokia has in a joint antic with Microsoft shifted at least 2000 of Nokias patents to the patent troll MOSAID. I don't know if this is their most or least valuable 1/15 of their patent portfolio, but I don't think the patent portfolio of 2013 will be directly comparable with the patent portfolio of 2011. Nokia's CFO also stated that they're ready to sell parts of their portfolio if the price is right. Which basically means they're looking to get rid of them.

It looks to me like Nokia is planning on leaving innovation to their partners, which is compatible with everything they've said, really.

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Anyone have any great stock value application for N9. STocks world wide is a must. anyone working on one?

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Compatible with everything they have done during the past 18 months as well. Only part left to innovate is the camera development and squeezing few more megapixels in. Maybe the location & mapping stuff also. The again, Microsoft OEMs don't really need to innovate anyway. Thats up to Microsoft. OEMs need to come up with marketing and/or pricing that gives reason to buy hardware from manufacturer X rather than Y. And well, Windows Phone manufacturers also have the extra effort of praying for the miracle of consumers someday wanting to buy WP phones from anyone to begin with. Producing that miracle is up to MIcrosoft as well.

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I'm not pointing out what I think nor are we talking about your purchases--just commenting on your previous statements. I'd like to know what you think is a reasonable threshold before you can be clearly dismissed as wrong. You and Lumiaman are both known for moving the goal-post every time a significant measure of time has gone by without success. So please, tell us what you think would be a reasonable time for the Windows Phone strategy to finally win for Nokia--mind you, I'm pretty sure it has to succeed before the company goes under.

Also... if I may guess Daperl's problem: You've been heavily antagonizing. Personally, I'm not sure banning is necessarily the right answer but you certainly aren't gaining any favor among this crowd by doing so.

Except for Nokia, don't all the other Windows Phone OEM's have other alternative operating systems that are all selling far better? I'm pretty sure they're not praying for anything related to Windows Phone--I'm sure the very teeny, tiny TEAMS within those OEM's that are working exclusively on Windows Phone probably are, though.

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Nokia's last remaining European blue collar workers in Salo, Finland have started lighting candles in memoriam of Nokia.

http://www.sss.fi/uutiset/375816_515h.JPG

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Serioulsy :O Finland has given up for Nokia for long. But people are fighters. I am sure there will come up some new cool companys from there. And I am also sure alot of finland will buy theyr new stuff. Hopefully rest of northeuropeans doing the same instead of feed MicroNokia with the money because MicroNokia deserves to die.

However its a shame American buying out all those Finish patents when EU just sitting there doing NOTHING :mad:

I guess thats why stockholders doing NOTHING too AFAIK because most big stockholders are Americans too...

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I haven't gotten my invite to the Super Sinister League of Super Evil yet, but I'm working on it ;)

Yeah, there's a widget but I don't really use it much. Their iPhone one is the only version that gets in depth - you can open the sliders and get all sorts of other info. They advertise that they back test this stuff but I don't know exactly where they get their data from - maybe we can shoot them an email or something to find out. I see these guys on CNBC somewhat often.

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S40 is doing well, it is increasing it's global market share and has 25% now. Asha will be enough for some time. WP has increased 270% YoY thanks to Nokia. WP8 will increase to 8-9% in a year.

You got the basics wrong and think in black/white. Add some color, some shades and things will look less blocky.

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Strange news from Bloomberg today. "Nokia Fight for AT&T Shelf Space Shows Lumia's Hurdles". I thought AT&T was the big partner in Lumia's, the one that was so excited about the "3rd ecosystem".

If Nokia is struggling for shelf space at AT&T stores, that is a corporate decision from AT&T not to give it to them. Which leaves Nokia in a extremely problematic situation, and shows that AT&T has given up on them in reality, even though AT&T still talks the talk about the Lumia line.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...for-next-lumia

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Who is buying phone from the shelves? Its so 200...4!

Must be the regular users...and americans.

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Very true. ATT is desperate to have good iphone competitor. but honestly, Lumia ads in the US were limited. nothing compared to Samsung blitz during olympics, and Samsung ads are cool. competition is tough in the USA

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Just because the world doesn't revolve around Nokia, doesn't mean Nokia is dead. Soon to be dead companies are RIM and HTC. RIM because it is irrelevant and HTC because it can't make better phones than the cheaper ZDE and Huawei, and at the same time is overshadowed by Samsung in the high end.

Nokias problem is size. It's too large to sustain selling S40 and S30 devices even though sales are shifting dramatically toward the more expensive S40 devices. It needs to shrink more. Accelerated growth of WP would help of course, but that is not a solution Nokia can live with, it needs to become profitable in it's main business of S30 and S40.

Meltemi proved to be a dead end road, the team couldn't deliver something that was more competitive than S40. S40 gives more bang for the buck than anything out there, and it is selling by the billions, literally, but it is no solution for high end, and it is no solution for Europe or NA. Here the competition is iOS and Android. Not only high end, but that is where the profit margins are.

Samsung looks unbeatable, but Samsung is no innovator. Samsung is good at producing stuff when the recipe is known. Nokia is an innovator, and this will very obvious when the Nokia WP8 devices are announced. Soon we will be able to get some cool devices again, not just a piece of glass. Lots of people will dislike it, simply because it doesn't fit their blocky, conservative skulls.

WP is somewhat similar. WP7 has limitations, but I tell you, my Lumia is much more fun with new stuff coming all the time than the stale N9. Just recently the camera app was updated with more goodies than the N9 could ever dream of (group shots etc). With WP8 comes more.

Ultimately though, it's not about market share or stocks or patent wars. It's about getting a personal device that does the job and is cool and fun. The thing is, only Nokia has done that on a regular basis, and my Lumia is no exception. Sure the iPhone and the SGS3 are more mainstream, but so what? They are more boring as well. When I get my Nexus 7, I'm sure as hell not going to get a phone with the same OS.

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Of course, failing to succeed doesn't necessarily mean failure. You can always be 2nd best.. or in the case of Windows Phone.. what... 6th? 7th best? Out of how many?

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HTC? Sure? :confused:


Samsung is also good at making things look shittier. From the screencaps and previews of Tizen, my view goes like that.

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Nokia slowly growing on the stock exchange, about 1 % per day!

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Even on my N900 I had a stock application, there's at least one on every platform.

I'm a bit early today, Helsinki just opened. Looks like a good first half hour for Nokia: from €2.01 to €2.06. But on the one month graph, it looks like the bounce is slowing down.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...52ca394a76.png

And the Elopalypse graph:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...ce6683486e.png

Ouch, that's an utter and complete collapse. Of course, the previous CEO had awful stock price results too.

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Nokia will be back at around 8 in two years time.

Will be interesting Q4 with Galaxy note II, Iphone 5 and Lumias :D

And as outsiders...Jolla mobile and Tizen.

Looking forward to all these releases. I think its better for nokia to release lumias around Christmas since Galaxy note and Iphone 5 moving to market earlier.

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HTC will hit a brick wall in Q3 and then it is free falling. HTC pioneered WM and Android, as well as WP. Within a year they will be gone. A bit sad, I have had a couple of HTCs.

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I can't honestly say that I've got any sort of curiousity for any new Lumia branded products. At all. They are, in my book, completely irrelevant products.

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I'm looking for a LUMIA PAD. But surface pro is the top of the line. Lumia phone. Sure, If my employer pay for it. Why not?

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The email client on LUMIAs is the best. Beats iphone and other platforms. Lumias will be corporate soon.

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S40 may well be NOKIA's 'main business' now but, lest we forget...
"Elop's Microsoft announcement has effectively bankrupted the Nokia Symbian smartphone unit which made 20% of Nokia phones, generated 30% of Nokia revenues and produced a whopping 40% of Nokia profits when he took over. He killed his cash cow. Voluntarily."
... T. Ahonen


Where's your evidence for that? It seems much more likely Elop's Lord and Master told him he wasn't allowed to play with anything Linux.


The Ashas are more interesting than the Lumias. The Asha 303 looks like it should be a slider, if it was I'd quite like one.


Since dropping Symbian for WP7 NOKIA's gross margin for smartphones has reduced significantly.


Yeah, right...


Say what? What could be more 'blocky' and 'conservative' than WP7? Live Tiles are the blockiest, dullest Plasmoids I've ever seen!

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Its a shame that people never understand where truly valuable innovation comes from.

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And where would that be?

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you mean Microsoft? :rolleyes:

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Enlighten us please :o :D

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Well, I shouldn't make any generalizations but at the moment, Samsung is the company that brings new product to the market that people buy. LG may be earlier with some features but people don't buy it. And South Korea as a whole is much less playing catch-up than five years ago, three years ago.

Also, even China is starting to innovate. They're well aware that they've been a follower for all these years, and are trying to change their engineers straight out of the educational system. If they can manage to drop the idea of only copying the best, the rest of the world is in trouble.

There's no telling who is innovating at any given time, all products we see now are the results of a mainstreaming process that takes years to reach the market.

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Don't know why my Korean manager used to say: "Samsung is good at making TVs and refrigerators; not mobile phones" :p

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It's no lie that Samsung used to make phones nobody wanted. That was then, this is now. Samsung now is the biggest phone manufacturer, as it has passed Nokia. People, the largest number of them, would now rather buy Samsung phones. And it's not the only segment Samsung is "good at", they're generally aiming for top 2 in any segment they get serious with. Many of which they have succeeded.

I need a new sig :(

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I don't see what Symbian has to do with S40. But you are right, let's attribute everything to a sinister plot to slowly destroy Nokia. And while we're at it, the moon landing never happened and Elvis is alive.

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It is sad to see how many Symbian apologists are still left, and how many misinformed people think that Elop's job was to destroy Symbian. Very sad how myopic such thinking is.

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You said S40 was NOKIA's 'main business', I was just pointing out that NOKIA used to have a very successful smartphone division that may well have qualified as being regarded as their main business.

S40 is NOKIA's main business now but for how long will that survive seeing as it's the latest division to start receiving Elop's magic touch?

That man should be forced to walk round NOKIA wearing a sandwich board with 'W4nk3r' written on it.

How long before licensing income from patents becomes NOKIA's main business?


Actually I'd say the destruction's been really rather fast.

Ah well... I've got to go now, I'm having lunch with Elvis.

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They were to be part of the same ecosystem, along with Meego, all joined together by Qt.

Doesn't have to be a sinister plot. Pure incompetence will do it.

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This quit being a thread about stock, and just another endless pissing contest. Plenty of threads for that. Closed.