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lkravovicz 2013-12-22 17:42
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
After doing the .12 update, Gallery doesn't show anything in the single image view anymore, and Media player lost all album and artist indexing data. What's going on?

ste-phan 2013-12-22 17:55
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1399565)
...that point being that they have no idea what real multitasking means? :cool:

One of the videos you play is running inside a browser, yes?
which browser is it? Is it a flash video?
If so, how if that possible with Sailfish OS not supporting Flash (AFAIK)?
I've been meaning to ask that about Sailbro, what do Flash-heavy websites look like in it, and which other video streaming sites besides Youtube (if any) can be viewed on a Jolla, and how does that work?

To reply about http://vimeo.com/82320660
Yes, the Video with the tech guy reviewing a phone is running in the Jolla browser >
Since I have no flash installed on the Jolla I suspect it is the HTML5 at work.
The other video plays in the Android application StoryPod but it is perfectly possible and more impressive two real browsers at work next to each other :D edit: http://vimeo.com/82504404

The music dominant in the beginning is the third stream from internet steaming radio in the Jolla Media Player.

Vimeo:
Jolla browser -> warning: tech out of date video may not play properly, continue: yes -> black screen
Firefox browser-> Video plays in some separate browser screen opening, turns to portret as well as landscape (however the virtual Android buttons remain taking part of screen on the right.
Dailymotion
Jolla browser-> plays in full desktop site
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site
Youtube:
Jolla browser-> plays in mobile site - don't know how to go to desktop stie
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site


The point to Android people: yes, you say multitasking and they bring up the possibly to open multiple windows at once to prove Android multitasks.

LadyBug 2013-12-22 17:59
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1399707)
You have to create "favourite" ambiances(there is star you have to click in Gallery=>Ambiances) in order to use them with swipe left or right from lock screen.
I actually HAD created a favourite Ambiance, but the swipe thing started to work when I created another one and there were two to choose from.

Which was odd, because the favourited Ambiance was not the default one and I was just trying to switch to the other one.

But thanks for the hint, works now.

bennypr0fane 2013-12-22 18:41
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1399643)
No Android apps for me. Most important to get fixed in the core is the buggy browser. Missing apps for me ATM:

* GPodder
* NFCKeyring
I think I remember Stefano Mosconi saying in one of the interview videos earlier this year that Gpodder was the first app ever ported to Sailfish, submitted a few minutes after the first release of the SDK. So, maybe he was telling a joke, or else, where did it go?

strongm 2013-12-22 18:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1399724)
I think I remember Stefano Mosconi saying in one of the interview videos earlier this year that Gpodder was the first app ever ported to Sailfish, submitted a few minutes after the first release of the SDK. So, maybe he was telling a joke, or else, where did it go?
Oh, it exists. Just not available from a store currently.

http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS

Note that I think it has only been tested on the Sailfish SDK's emulator, not a real Jolla phone.

pycage 2013-12-22 19:00
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsalone (Post 1399700)
Yes, so i thought too.
But hitting this command gives me following:

Code:
Transactions:
[none]
daemon connected=1
network status=online
and then nothing else.. this command never gets completed and terminal stays like that for loong time.. same happens when i login to full basj with devel-su.
:confused:
Type pkcon, not pkmon! ;)

pycage 2013-12-22 19:09
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyBug (Post 1399706)
- Some input screens require one to hit "Save" function (like setting up the Exchange parameters). Some input functions don't require save (like inputing an email .signature). And why is the action button (like "Save" or "Create") in the upper right, when all the information I need to input goes from top to bottom. The action button should be the last item!
The idea behind this is a different one, so it makes sense to have "Save" at the top.

You can accept any dialog by swiping the whole page to the left. The "Save" label on top just tells you that this is a dialog and the accept action will be "Save". There is no need to actually tap on the "Save", or even scroll up the whole page again after filling in everything. Just drag the page to the left and it will "Save".
It's just a bonus feature that you can actually click on the "Save" label to perform the action as well.

gsalone 2013-12-22 19:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1399730)
Type pkcon, not pkmon! ;)
hahaha!! ok i feel stupid.. why on earth did i do that?? :o

Fuzzillogic 2013-12-22 19:24
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsalone (Post 1399732)
hahaha!! ok i feel stupid.. why on earth did i do that?? :o
Because of your Pokemon-addiction?

XiliX 2013-12-22 19:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Has anyone succesfully connected the Jolla internal storage to a Linux PC yet? I have tried using mtp and ssh (fish), but that doest give my a stable connection. Am i doing something wrong here?

benny1967 2013-12-22 19:37
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XiliX (Post 1399735)
Has anyone succesfully connected the Jolla internal storage to a Linux PC yet? I have tried using mtp and ssh (fish), but that doest give my a stable connection. Am i doing something wrong here?
USB/MTP work for me on my Gentoo box running Gnome 3.8. Jolla phone shows up in Nautilus, no problem.

I also tried on Ubuntu 13.10. Phone shows up in the left bar but there's no content. Cannot remember the exact error message.

pycage 2013-12-22 19:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XiliX (Post 1399735)
Has anyone succesfully connected the Jolla internal storage to a Linux PC yet? I have tried using mtp and ssh (fish), but that doest give my a stable connection. Am i doing something wrong here?
Hmm, I just plugged the USB cable into a netbook running Ubuntu 13.10 (32 bit) and there was the internal storage (/home/nemo). But I had trouble moving files or unmounting.

XiliX 2013-12-22 19:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Well, my troubles start when moving/copying files to the phone memory. If it starts (which on itself is uncertain) the Jolla will tell me its charging everytime a file is transferred, and after a while the connection will drop.
I am using lib64mtp9 and kio-mtp to use it all with KDE4 and dolphin.

RX-51 2013-12-22 20:24
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1399731)
The idea behind this is a different one, so it makes sense to have "Save" at the top.

You can accept any dialog by swiping the whole page to the left. The "Save" label on top just tells you that this is a dialog and the accept action will be "Save". There is no need to actually tap on the "Save", or even scroll up the whole page again after filling in everything. Just drag the page to the left and it will "Save".
It's just a bonus feature that you can actually click on the "Save" label to perform the action as well.
Nope, that doesn't work for me when creating an email account. Everything filled in is gone after swiping to the left.
That's why I've asked for a "Save" function when swiping to the right.

matimilko 2013-12-22 20:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Account Twitter!
I cannot make account Twitter. Facebook without any problems but when I try to add account - twitter ... then accept.. then adding...and nothing! Did this several times but always the same.
What to do?

pycage 2013-12-22 20:28
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1399753)
Nope, that doesn't work for me when creating an email account. Everything filled in is gone after swiping to the left.
That's why I've asked for a "Save" function when swiping to the right.
If everything is gone, it was the wrong direction and you cancelled the dialog. :)

benny1967 2013-12-22 20:35
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1399753)
Nope, that doesn't work for me when creating an email account. Everything filled in is gone after swiping to the left.
That's why I've asked for a "Save" function when swiping to the right.
"Swiping to the left" means: you move your finger from right to left, so it drags the screen one step further... not back where you came from.

This is what saves your settings. That's how I do it all the time with sailfish. I never even knew I could actually *tap* the word "Save" on top. :D

Ministeri 2013-12-22 21:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by matimilko (Post 1399754)
Account Twitter!
I cannot make account Twitter. Facebook without any problems but when I try to add account - twitter ... then accept.. then adding...and nothing! Did this several times but always the same.
What to do?
Check your date and time settings. I was having the same problem until I updated those up to date.

BonoNL 2013-12-22 21:18
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by matimilko (Post 1399754)
Account Twitter!
I cannot make account Twitter. Facebook without any problems but when I try to add account - twitter ... then accept.. then adding...and nothing! Did this several times but always the same.
What to do?
[U]Same here, got to the Twitter website and after that nothing.
A reboot didn't help either.
When logging onto Twitter through the web it also isn't visible under apllications which have acces to my account.

After the advice from Ministeri it worked, thank you!:)

A other issue I was facing, I was setting up my hotmail account and the mail application was updating my mailbox. So I have 115 new e-mail messages. I was able to select them 1 by one(there should be a option select all) and when they all where selected there wasn't a "mark all as read" option.

I now had to manually click through every message to make it "read". Not a dealbreaker but also not a sweet way to make it function as I wanna.

BonoNL 2013-12-22 21:22
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ministeri (Post 1399768)
Check your date and time settings. I was having the same problem until I updated those up to date.
Thank you, this helped.

mikecomputing 2013-12-22 22:00
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1399724)
I think I remember Stefano Mosconi saying in one of the interview videos earlier this year that Gpodder was the first app ever ported to Sailfish, submitted a few minutes after the first release of the SDK. So, maybe he was telling a joke, or else, where did it go?
yes but that was for qt4 and python. dunno status of it now. thp probadly lack time atm...

torcida 2013-12-22 22:16
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I have my Jolla - it's amazing!! :) :) :)

richardyates 2013-12-22 22:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1399513)
sdcard gets mounted in run\user\100000\media\sdcard
Thanks both, but I don't even know what a symlink is, much less what is being connected where

There has to be somewhere I could start to learn but it is all pretty hard with zero knowledge

icke 2013-12-22 22:34
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyBug (Post 1399706)
- Physically the volume rocker button is too much of a rocker, it's actually somewhat loose. If I shake the phone, the button actually rattles.
The rattling rocker is kind of annoying to me, too. It really gives the whole experience a "cheap" feel - despite the nice plastic of TOH.

What I like is the video quality. The android youtube app works pretty well. Tweetian is available as a frugal beta version which is nicely integrated in the Sailfish OS.

At the moment I am struggling with the different Android stores (Yandex, Aptitude, Amazon, ...) and the different scenarios deinstalling, updating. As I haven't entered my SIM card, I am not sure if location based Android programs are going to work properly.

In conclusion, I don't see myself using the Jolla as my primary phone in due time. No gpodder, no swype, no wazapp, limited camera hinder leaving the shadow of the n9. Nevertheless, with the n810, the n900 and especially with the n9 I joined the party pretty late (3-4 a.m.)

icke

RX-51 2013-12-22 22:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1399757)
"Swiping to the left" means: you move your finger from right to left, so it drags the screen one step further... not back where you came from.

This is what saves your settings. That's how I do it all the time with sailfish. I never even knew I could actually *tap* the word "Save" on top. :D
Hehe, that's exactly what I do ;)
But nope, it doesn't do anything for me. Might be either a bug or my phone.
Still good to know that it is supposed to work like that and it's working for other people!

gsalone 2013-12-22 23:02
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic (Post 1399734)
Because of your Pokemon-addiction?
I am bit older for that :)
Saber Rider rules!

Khertan 2013-12-22 23:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Does someone was able to install playstore ? app that interest me are only on playstore :(

mrsellout 2013-12-22 23:23
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Yes, it's all in here:
http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29...s-google-play/

Pay attention to the bit about the trailing / though.

herpderp 2013-12-23 00:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1398227)
Where is the bug tracker for iOS and Android?
Didn't check if anyone supplied it yet, but Android's is here. Yes, there is a bugtracker for Android.

Looks like everybody assumed it does not exist. No surprise there.

soryuuha 2013-12-23 01:33
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kkito (Post 1398100)
I don't know if someboy already stated it, but the ui gfx performance is poor compared with ios or andorid. I don0t know where the problems relays (Qt, wayland, poor vblank syn...) but when scrolling lists, or ohter "scrollable things", there are some frame drops that makes the "ui experience" not smooth at all. Very disapointing :(.
did you compare with dual-core android (oem) and iphone 4 with ios7?

Khertan 2013-12-23 06:36
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1399816)
Yes, it's all in here:
http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29...s-google-play/

Pay attention to the bit about the trailing / though.
i made the errir furst time, fixed by removing and reinstalling android support. but even folliwing the instruction, playstore start to load and then crash :(

zlatko 2013-12-23 08:07
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
May be it was mentioned earlier, but anyway: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2013/...nsumption.html
That is an interesting find excessive battery drain in Jolla might be caused by bad TOH NFC implementation. I am testing stopping the tohd now.
Code:
systemctl stop tohd.service

MaemoUser 2013-12-23 08:33
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I am also testing it turning tohd off. According to powertop power consumption got from 958mW to 552mW. Which is a lot in idle.

mrsellout 2013-12-23 08:33
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khertan (Post 1399838)
i made the errir furst time, fixed by removing and reinstalling android support. but even folliwing the instruction, playstore start to load and then crash :(
I rebooted after deleting the files in /opt/alien, then reinstalled Android support.

There's a thread about this all here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91942

mrsellout 2013-12-23 08:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1399842)
May be it was mentioned earlier, but anyway: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2013/...nsumption.html
That is an interesting find excessive battery drain in Jolla might be caused by bad TOH NFC implementation. I am testing stopping the tohd now.
Code:
systemctl stop tohd.service
Jolla are hoping to issue a hotfix according to one of the comments:

Quote:
Harri Hakulinen23 December 2013 00:39
This is indeed very good piece of work from everyone of you, thank you.

Obviously, NFC is NOT intended to be on all the time, in fact it should be on only when TOH is not attached to main unit. So there is clear bug somewhere in TOH daemon or drivers delow.

If you solve this yourself by removing NFC tag from TOH, most likely you will loose that tag forever, because the glue used on that is so strong that it is difficult to remove it without breaking it.

So if possible, wait until we can provide fix for this problem. Now the challenge is that we are supposed to be on Christmas holiday on this week, after very busy fall with long hours for everybody. So at least I would not like to push anyone to fix this in a week or so. Maybe we can do hotfix for this in January, lets see.

Agan, thank you Simo and everyone that has provided input data for this exercise. We can do this #together !

benny1967 2013-12-23 09:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
It took me 3 days to notice how you can change your input to the calculator afterwards. That's a nice feature I almost overlooked because I hadn't expected it from an application I rarely use on any phone. Sweet!

Thoke 2013-12-23 09:30
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1399842)
May be it was mentioned earlier, but anyway: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2013/...nsumption.html
That is an interesting find excessive battery drain in Jolla might be caused by bad TOH NFC implementation. I am testing stopping the tohd now.
Code:
systemctl stop tohd.service
Nice find! I'll try that immediately.

By the way, it seems Jolla's note and clock application have been updated in the store recently... Clock 16th of Dec and Notes 19th of Dec. Microsoft Exhange and Android support have also been updated (19th of Dec) in store it seems.

I can't find a way to update the apps without removing them first... Any way to just 'update' them?

ste-phan 2013-12-23 09:40
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1399864)
It took me 3 days to notice how you can change your input to the calculator afterwards. That's a nice feature I almost overlooked because I hadn't expected it from an application I rarely use on any phone. Sweet!
The spoils are in the details :)

you can also tap on results of previous operations to use them as input. (alphabetical label will appear)

Good work , Jolla team! The wine of the house tastes fine. Looking forward to the main dish. :p

bertjefred 2013-12-23 09:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Well after a couple of days of use I got everything working for me to use the Jolla as my main phone. And I have to say: I really like the idea behind the whole interface. Still getting used to the swipe actions. Sometimes my regular swipes start a bit to close to the side of the screen so it becomes a push. But other than that I really like the feeling of the device.

A few things that happened to me (and sometimes I managed to figure out):
- The lag when the connection is switched between moblie data and wifi.
- The android apps that don't start or crash when a lot of apps are open. (seems like a memory thing?)
- Pictures that didn't showed up in my gallery. I had 11000 images on my sdcard, so it took too long to load. After clearing the sd card, it worked fine.
- Music that I transfered with sailbox didn't show up in my player. Even after I copied it to the sd card. Now I transfer my files with filezilla. (ip in the phone under ssh, username: nemo, Pass: set under ssh) this works very nicely. And the music shows up in the player.
- Media that only shows music, is kinda weird. Videos are in the gallery.
- And a couple of things that where there in the promo videos. Videos playing in the smart covers, and the integrated facebook client. Really hope that those things will come in January.
- The android apps that I use (whatsapp, Instagram) work nicely. Able to select images from the gallery to post them.
- The import from Google contacts, makes all mobile numbers into home numbers in my Jolla. Because of this, the contacts are not visible in the android apps like Whatsapp. So look in your jolla contacts check if the imported number is a home number. Then add another phone number to that contacts, select mobile as a number type, and copy the existing number to the mobile number. The contacts will now show up.
- My Other have keeps giving the message that it doesn't work, the rest of the store works great. Only my other half. But now I disabled the nfc due to the battery issues. And created my own ambiances so not an issue anymore, but I really hope that it will work in the future on my device.
- And the lack of control in many parts of the device. (Looking forward to the future updates :))

So now I have finally set up my device like I want to. So I guess I really like the hardware, and like the OS but its very very rough around the edges.

parasemic 2013-12-23 10:06
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
You can just change the number type by long pressing on it while its gray. ;)


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