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I'm actually 3D printing prototypes (in Taulman Bridge nylon - since it is easily finished and dyed) for exactly that. I intend on posting my final designs here when finished.

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Hello there sailors, I'm new here and have my sx up and running, playing with settings and installing my fav sfos apps etc, I found a feature that's maybe not mentioned before , although I did not read all in this topic.
When u go to settings ->About product and keep tapping on the build nr ( 2.1.3.7) u get acces to the CSD Tool with different kind of options!

Hopefully its of use to some of the sailors here!

Greetz from NL

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Because, to make things simpler, they went for the stock Sony kernel. Which does have a lot of things NOT enabled (no modules, no btrfs, no networking fs like SMB/CIFS nor NFS, etc.)

Hopefully, at some point in the future, they'll start compiling their own kernel (like that they do on Jolla1) using all the code released by Sony on their git.

But that then means that Jolla will have to check themselve if their kernel works nicely with the binary drivers provided by Qualcom for the hardware.

Regarding Spectre : Hopefully Google will provide backports to the 4.4 kernel. It's very likely as they consider it as the LTS kernel that they will be supporting. And it's useful for Sailfish X as that's a kernel that Sony does provide for a lot of their open devices, including Xperia X.

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Thank you for this little tip! I dropped my Sailfish X for the first time. I have a case on it and it landed perfectly flat on a ceramic tile floor with the case down and the screen facing up.

I figured that was the best possible phone drop I have ever executed - no screen scratches, no dents. The phone is still shiny and clean. :)

Well the next day I went to take a photo and the camera doesn't work. The front-facing camera works, but I certainly didn't want a picture of my own face.

Then a couple of days later I went to use the flashlight and noticed that doesn't work anymore either.

I reset to factory defaults and tried again. Same results. Then I saw this CSD toolset. Well, it didn't fix my problem, but I was able to confirm that the camera and the LED flash no longer operate with a test that rules out faulty software. Thank you!

And yes, the next thing I did was open my phone and detach the camera ribbon cable from the motherboard and then reattach. That didn't resolve my situation. :(

I will have to buy another phone and at least now I have a spare everything for it.

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Thanks, nice easter-egg! :)

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It's not an easter-egg when it's part of the changelog ;)
It has been added in 1.1.6: https://together.jolla.com/question/...ettings-system
But I wonder how aQUICK1 could find it by accident :D

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I wonder if there any whispers of the upcoming update?

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I don't know, I only now that switching AOSP blobs to the newest ones would probably fix our camera auto focus issue

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oooh, "Adreno update" might fix the webview lags, doesn't it?

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Yes indeed i found it by accident, with the developer activation on android in my mind i just did the same here on SX, nothing more, did not know it was already a known feature on older version of SF.

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if they update the kernel to 4.4 does that mean we get full 23 MP camera?

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I would be happy with a sharp 8MP pics instead.

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As I understand it is not physically 23Mpix but actually some clever algorithms to upscale the picture. (so rather pointless IMHO)

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got any source for that? all the ones i can find say its a physical 23Mpix sensor.

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Well OK, I was mistaken there, the sensor is IMX300 which really is physically 5520x4140 pixel array which makes it 22,8Mpix totals.

The other thing again is whether such a device makes sense as an image sensor since the surface area is so puny 6,05mm*5,03mm.
If you assume the whole surface is crammed edge-to-edge so full of pixels you can stuff 'em, the pixel size is 1,09um*1,21um, which makes a pixel area of 1,33um2 which so tiny it is absolutely no use to anybody seriously contemplating photography.
Add to that the miniature optics that the light has to pass through to the sensor any you see the whole thing just cannot work due to laws of physics.

In my Canon DSLR dating from the last decade the pixel area is 55um2 which is more than 40 times larger than on the IMX300.

There are fundamental physics laws in play here, you cannot get around those by having better materials and manufacturing.
Due to the properties of reality you just cannot cram more than a certain number of photons in a certain sized pixel in given time, the wave function just doesn't fold that way.

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I found it interesting reading how living organisms cope with the same problem. Some of them have several optical sensors (cells) in their eyes in series (physically on top of each other), so that any photon escaping capture may have a chance to be detected in the next layer. But you very quickly run into the law of diminishing returns.

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Just found this on mer meetings :

http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-m...-11-09.00.html

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Living organisms cope with that easily; they can throw superior processing at it :)

Think about the human eye for example; the specifications of it are worse than any webcam you can find.

• The mechanics are really poor, it is irregular shaped and optically inadequate, focusing method is squeezing the thing out-of-shape!
• The sensor part is nonuniform and to top it, the databus runs on the wrong side of the sensor elements!
  the resolution is poor, the color sensing is poor, the bandwidth is poor
• the system runs on glucose ATP/ADP burner, electricity is used only partially as signals traverse with potassium-ion transferense!
• etc... etc...

The only way to make it work at all is to train the most complex neural network in the universe to use it for several years.

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Sony is well known for heavy postprocessing (just search for "star eater"). Without it, as it's probably patented, DRMed and what else, reduced resolution seems the simplest method to curb noise.

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I'd love my phone to run on that! Just imagine, instead of having to charge it for 3 hours every day, just feed it a small sugar pill once a week!

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I just hope that:

• they will get to this in a near enough future (big hope: by end February 2018 ?).
• they'll manage this with the *current* Sony Loire Kernel (4.4), not the one that was previously used on Android 7.0.2 (Kernel 3.10.106).
• eventually, they'll compile their own binary from the Sony source's GIT (with all the usual bell and whistles featured on other devices turned on : modules, BTRFS, etc.)

One can hope...

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Or a fly: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/12/...bot/index.html Or that annoying neighbour's cat :)
BTW, Sony works on biobatteries.

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And so it begins...

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Indeed! :)

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Hey guys im new here just recently installed the sailfish x on f5122 but ive been having issues with enabling the second sim ive followed the instruction for editing default.prop and /etc/ofono/ril_subscription.conf and installed the jolla multisim settings to no avail but i used filetugroot. is there something im doing wrong or could someone please guide me step by step so ican succeed, im sorry for any inconvenience

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As you might know f5122 is not supported yet (will be). However you may have look into this thread on your own risk and try to make sim2 work: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99875 Be aware, that with this community build, Android support won't function. Disclaimer: I haven't tried any of the methods described in abowe thread nor have I installed community build myself before.
Good hacking :-)

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The procedure you described worked for me. To be sure try to delete (or mv) /usr/lib/ofono folder and restart the phone an see what happens...

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I have used Open Camera app in Android side, getting 3392x5984 pixels (20.3 Mpix).

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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YRCzEqkCoiM/maxresdefault.jpg

New blog post with details for 2018 Roadmap regarding SfosX!

https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/

wrap up:

- 4-6 Sailfish releases during the year,

- next release will be 2.1.4 Lapuanjoki. fixes in Bluetooth support, mobile data reliability, WiFi tethering, and BTRFS support for SD cards. We also added many new languages to Sailfish OS.

- 2.2.0 Mouhijoki couple of months later will add support of Dual SIM variant of Xperia X

- working on a new graphical installer for Sailfish X which makes installation simple and accessible

- improvements and fixes for apps such as email and calendar coming up throughout the year. -> accepting and sending meeting requests for calendar events.

- After Mouhijoki -> NFC and fingerprint authentication, started working on the next generation device.

- During the first half we’ll be adding memory card encryption, filesystem encryption, and email encryption.

- In the second half we will continue to improve security frameworks of the OS, and adding more security features like improved VPN support.

- updating the Android runtime compatibility to a newer Android version,

- continue working on blockchain solution together with Zipper, and expanding the device portfolio even further.

- During the first quarter we target to start sales in Turkey and India, then expand to selected Asian markets (Malaysia, Indonesia, and Thailand), and further expand to South America (Brazil, Argentina) by the end of Q2.

- There are some very interesting devices that we’d love to bring Sailfish to, and we’re working in collaboration with Sony to make this happen.

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- Other important areas that we’ll be working during 2018 are updating the Android runtime compatibility to a newer Android version.

Camera autofocus fix seems not to be on Jollas priority list, who needs a well working camera...

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Hence -> Professor Farnsworth :D

overboarding sarcasm aside, actually i am truly happy about reading the collaborations with "russian and bolivian partners" might improve long awaited professional necessities in email and calender.

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Your phone has a calender? Wow!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...c/Calender.jpg

But I guess it was a typo. I just can't figure out what for. Cylinder? Colander? :D

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Could be in there ...

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:D good guess.
But no, i only had germanized twitching from "Kalender".

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Somebody asked this at the comments-section. It is coming.

James Noori:
So probably not on new update at least.

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Yeah, I just bought X, but have to live with android, or without camera.. I am forced to wait..

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Let's hope that XA2 will get Sailfish!

http://www.androidpolice.com/2018/02...vices-program/

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Sailfish on the XA2 would be wonderful. But I'm only staying a Sailor if some (of the many) drawbacks get resolved during the next 1 or 2 Updates. Else I might have a look at lineage instead.

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So exactly what are you waiting for, then?

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Better native camera support I'd assume.