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wicket 2016-05-09 19:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505256)
Like...when is it time to take Jolla to court
Are you serious?

It seems to me that you believe you purchased a Jolla Tablet when what you actually did was make a donation towards a crowd funding campaign which for whatever reason turned out to be unsuccessful.

Jolla is not legally obliged to refund donations yet they are doing it anyway despite their financial difficulties. In the case of juiceme they even offered him the tablet even though he rejected the refund. An actual scammer would have taken his donation and offered the tablet to the next one in the list who requested a refund.

strongm 2016-05-09 19:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1505265)
Are you serious?

It seems to me that you believe you purchased a Jolla Tablet when what you actually did was make a donation towards a crowd funding campaign which for whatever reason turned out to be unsuccessful.

Jolla is not legally obliged to refund donations yet they are doing it anyway despite their financial difficulties. In the case of juiceme they even offered him the tablet even though he rejected the refund. An actual scammer would have taken his donation and offered the tablet to the next one in the list who requested a refund.
No, he does not understand that. Or, at least, has spent a large deal of time and effort giving that impression.

mscion 2016-05-09 19:59
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505256)
Guys Do you know when enough is enough?

Like...Jolla got the money but still refuse to refund us even though they said it many months ago.
Like...Me posting over here even though Jolla completely ignored it.
Like...people destroying the planet just to save time...
Like...when is it time to take Jolla to court
Like...
Only one thing I can say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpPQBL7PNhs

Dave999 2016-05-09 20:02
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1505265)
Are you serious?

It seems to me that you believe you purchased a Jolla Tablet when what you actually did was make a donation towards a crowd funding campaign which for whatever reason turned out to be unsuccessful.

Jolla is not legally obliged to refund donations yet they are doing it anyway despite their financial difficulties. In the case of juiceme they even offered him the tablet even though he rejected the refund. An actual scammer would have taken his donation and offered the tablet to the next one in the list who requested a refund.
There are more parties than our little crowdfunding saga. Why did you think Jolla ran to court to save the company?

I support Jolla and their plans to do the refund otherwise it would be easy to bail out via credit card company that many have already done.

mscion 2016-05-09 20:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
On a related note I just saw this.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/09/pay...dfunding-cash/

Dave999 2016-05-09 20:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505276)
Great. We need to share info like that.

Maybe we should brand it crowdscaming from now on.

juiceme 2016-05-09 20:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1505276)
I'd say this is good and fair.
People should know that crowdfunding is an investment with a hefty risk potential; most of the projects never deliver the original target of the campaign.

"if you are not willing to kiss the money goodbye, don't invest"

Dave999 2016-05-09 20:57
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505281)
I'd say this is good and fair.
People should know that crowdfunding is an investment with a hefty risk potential; most of the projects never deliver the original target of the campaign.

"if you are not willing to kiss the money goodbye, don't invest"
No arguments there. What would be good if the CF sites had a rating system of the people behind it so users could rate away real scammers, and failers from the successful users.

Since the crowdfunders can say anything and have absolutely no accountability to speak the truth or even try to produce what they say... the sites should atleast have the option to vote or comment the user/company behind it :D

so threads like this is important so that failed campaigns don't get away with it. It must cost to fail...

Bundyo 2016-05-09 21:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505285)
No arguments there. What would be good if the CF sites had a rating system of the people behind it so users could rate away real scammers, and failers from the successful users.

Since the crowdfunders can say anything and have absolutely no accountability to speak the truth or even try to produce what they say... the sites should atleast have the option to vote or comment the user/company behind it :D
Normal people also fail campaigns - scammers can be in the manufacturing procesa that they depend on. Or should we rate them too? Let's rate the world before it is too late! Then every investment will be risk free.

Dave999 2016-05-09 21:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1505286)
Normal people also fail campaigns - scammers can be in the manufacturing procesa that they depend on. Or should we rate them too? Let's rate the world before it is too late! Then every investment will be risk free.
You are right anything could happen. You can probably come up billions of scenarios. But freedom of speech and consumer power is important and the company/name behind the campaign is the one getting the money so...that is the only valid option in my book.


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