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bertjefred

2013-12-23 10:23

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1399880)

You can just change the number type by long pressing on it while its gray. ;)

Well that does not work on the imported number from my Google account. It does work on the manually added number.

zlatko

2013-12-23 11:02

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1399867)

...
I can't find a way to update the apps without removing them first... Any way to just 'update' them?

Have you tried using pkcon?

Code:

pkcon update <package>

mrsellout

2013-12-23 11:03

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1399867)

Nice find! I'll try that immediately.

By the way, it seems Jolla's note and clock application have been updated in the store recently... Clock 16th of Dec and Notes 19th of Dec. Microsoft Exhange and Android support have also been updated (19th of Dec) in store it seems.

I can't find a way to update the apps without removing them first... Any way to just 'update' them?

The pulley menu let#s you choose 'My apps', from where you can supposedly update apps. I haven't seen any updates appear though, and it says up to date on mine.

mariusmssj

2013-12-23 11:26

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Hey guys I am using WPA2-PSK[AES] as my wireless protection and Jolla seems to have issues connecting. Any ideas why?

zlatko

2013-12-23 11:33

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Anybody else experiencing earpiece volume not affected by using the volume rocker? I even get to "Mute" and I still can hear the party loud and clear?! :)

Manatus

2013-12-23 11:54

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1399919)

Anybody else experiencing earpiece volume not affected by using the volume rocker? I even get to "Mute" and I still can hear the party loud and clear?! :)

Yes and no. When I turn the call volume down to 0% it is completely muted. But at one notch it jumps to very loud, and gets even louder after that.
Seems like is missing values between that 0 and ~80% volume.

gaelic

2013-12-23 11:58

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1399912)

Hey guys I am using WPA2-PSK[AES] as my wireless protection and Jolla seems to have issues connecting. Any ideas why?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92057

lkravovicz

2013-12-23 12:45

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkravovicz (Post 1399710)

After doing the .12 update, Gallery doesn't show anything in the single image view anymore, and Media player lost all album and artist indexing data. What's going on?

Solved this by hard-resetting tracker database. Music re-appeared, Pictures show again, all Ambiences came back.

lkravovicz

2013-12-23 12:50

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

How come tmux isn't in mer-tools :(

mscion

2013-12-23 14:41

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1399712)

To reply about http://vimeo.com/82320660
Yes, the Video with the tech guy reviewing a phone is running in the Jolla browser >
Since I have no flash installed on the Jolla I suspect it is the HTML5 at work.
The other video plays in the Android application StoryPod but it is perfectly possible and more impressive two real browsers at work next to each other :D edit: http://vimeo.com/82504404

The music dominant in the beginning is the third stream from internet steaming radio in the Jolla Media Player.

Vimeo:
Jolla browser -> warning: tech out of date video may not play properly, continue: yes -> black screen
Firefox browser-> Video plays in some separate browser screen opening, turns to portret as well as landscape (however the virtual Android buttons remain taking part of screen on the right.
Dailymotion
Jolla browser-> plays in full desktop site
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site
Youtube:
Jolla browser-> plays in mobile site - don't know how to go to desktop stie
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site

The point to Android people: yes, you say multitasking and they bring up the possibly to open multiple windows at once to prove Android multitasks.

Hi. Thanks for your post. But just so it is clear, It is possible to stream multiple feeds on android. At least I can do it on my galaxy note 3. For example, I just set it up to show 2 you tube feeds on jolla phones, your vimeo feed on dual streaming and CNN live broadcast simultaneously. Three of them appeared in floating windows that I could move about the screen to navigate around. However, while android can do this I think what is very nice on Jolla is that it seamless integrates the multitasking in a more native way. So I look forward to having Sailfish running on Nexus or whatever is possible in the future!

Khertan

2013-12-23 14:49

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1399786)

yes but that was for qt4 and python. dunno status of it now. thp probadly lack time atm...

That mainly because they didn't accept yet apps linked to python in the Harbour Store.

BitPurse and ownNotes are waiting too ...

mikecomputing

2013-12-23 14:57

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Just sent this to care@jolla.com I hope thats the right email btw? or was there another for bugreports?

Anyway post it here to:

Hi!

Just want to give feedback on the Powerebutton:

I have by mistake turned of the phone a few times by press the power button instead of volume. Especially when using camera application. It would be great to use powerbutton as shooter but I guess its not possible?

But atleast there should be longer delay, around 10 sec, before shutdown the device. Maybe also some kind of UI/sound warning before it shutdown.

ggabriel

2013-12-23 15:12

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1400011)

Just sent this to care@jolla.com I hope thats the right email btw? or was there another for bugreports?

It's certainly one of the ways, I'd make sure that what you ask for is in together.jolla.com when it is out.

m4r0v3r

2013-12-23 15:12

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

omd i want to order it now lol

mariusmssj

2013-12-23 16:01

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

So it's not possible to access the sd card when Jolla is plugged into the PC via USB cable?

olento

2013-12-23 18:35

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Ok, I managed to get the WiFi hotspot functionality to work with directions from http://elinux.org/Jolla

I tried adding alias to .bashrc in home directory to launch the wifi tether with fingerterm more easily:

Code:

alias tether='/usr/lib/connman/test/enable-tethering wifi Jolla mypasswd'

But fingerterm simply disregards all the aliases in .bashrc, and can't get them to work. However they do work when I login via SSH from outside.

Anyway, I don't like having to turn on/off the wifi tethering from command line, so I made these shortcuts straight into the desktop.

Create following files:

wifi-tether-on.desktop

Code:

[Desktop Entry]

Type=Application

Name=Tether on

Exec=fingerterm -e "/usr/lib/connman/test/enable-tethering wifi Jolla mypasswd"

Icon=harbour-tidings

wifi-tether-off.desktop

Code:

[Desktop Entry]

Type=Application

Name=Tether off

Exec=fingerterm -e "/usr/lib/connman/test/disable-tethering wifi"

Icon=harbour-tidings

(Mind the line breaks if you are simply copypasting!).

Just copy these files to /usr/share/applications and you are good to go!

"Jolla" here is the SSID. You can use also the Fingerterm icon (icon=icon-l-terminal), if you don't have the Tidings application installed (I do like the orange wireless icon of Tidings though).

I know this is an ugly hack, but it works sufficiently while waiting for the official wifi tethering support.

cy8aer

2013-12-23 18:55

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkravovicz (Post 1399972)

How come tmux isn't in mer-tools :(

because screen is already installed?

torcida

2013-12-23 18:58

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Is there any way I can get/import contacts (.vcf files) on my Jolla offline?

Edit: http://jolla.com/guide/#sec-6 :)

hemiwi

2013-12-23 19:28

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

I can't get the ambiences to work anymore; here is what i did.

I inserted an simlink to my SD Card - everything worked fine. I then deicided to keep the music on SD but to move my wallpapers to
/home/nemo/Pictures.
I disconnected the simlink to the pictures on SD card and since then I can't change the ambience anymore. Either pre-installed nor create any new ones.
I tried :
rpm -V jolla-preload-ambiences
rpm -V jolla-gallery-ambience

like user=att wrote in the ambience thread but nada.

Anyone any idea?

bockersjv

2013-12-23 22:37

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1400025)

So it's not possible to access the sd card when Jolla is plugged into the PC via USB cable?

Yes it is. You need to do a small command in the terminal but works well now.
Can't remember what it was now but you should be able to find it with a quick search.

bockersjv

2013-12-23 22:42

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by att (Post 1392761)

In Terminal app run commands:

cd
ln -s /run/user/100000/media/sdcard .

(Notice the dot at the end of ln) After that you can access the microSD card with USB MTP (Jolla's normal PC connectivity) by going to directory "sdcard".

WFM. No warranty :)

Edit: (And you probably can escape to the root directory of Jolla by similar commands but I haven't tested this. There is danger that you can brick your Jolla with escaping to root and then going around and fiddling, especially if the permissions and priviledges are not right.)

There you are.

mariusmssj

2013-12-23 22:46

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Thanks bockersjv,

That last "you can brick your Jolla" sort of worries me

torcida

2013-12-23 23:05

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by torcida (Post 1400080)

Is there any way I can get/import contacts (.vcf files) on my Jolla offline?

Edit: http://jolla.com/guide/#sec-6 :)

I hope someone can help...

Quote:

[...]tap on "Import contacts from"[...]

I don't see such an option, even after copying my .vcf files on my Jolla. :confused:

bockersjv

2013-12-24 00:03

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by torcida (Post 1400158)

I hope someone can help...

I don't see such an option, even after copying my .vcf files on my Jolla. :confused:

Go to settings then transfers then the vcf files will be listed but just under the name file.
Best advice is tto put all the vcfs into one file.

lkravovicz

2013-12-24 05:36

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1400079)

because screen is already installed?

Heh. Anyone who has ever used both knows that can't be the reason..

zlatko

2013-12-24 06:37

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by torcida (Post 1400158)

I hope someone can help...
I don't see such an option, even after copying my .vcf files on my Jolla. :confused:

You can always use:

Code:

invoker --type=generic vcardconverter your_file_name.vcf

But first it is best to to join all your individual .vcf files to one big file. Use cat command.

PS. Is there a way to EXPORT Jolla contacts to vcf?

ste-phan

2013-12-24 06:57

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Battery still at 86% i the morning after disabling the TOH service.

systemctl stop tohd.service

Great user experience with improved battery staying power :)

tiempjuuh

2013-12-24 08:45

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

I can personally live without the LPM (although it's hard), but what I really miss is folders in the icons view. I had many applications installed in my N9 but it wasn't messy because I used folders. With the Jolla I can't and that's really irritating. Only if you have more than one page of applications it starts to look messy. I really hope they'll add support for folders later on...

ggabriel

2013-12-24 08:50

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkravovicz (Post 1400193)

Heh. Anyone who has ever used both knows that can't be the reason..

Hopefully it isn't that hard to compile it... then again, I'm not sure why I'd want screen or tmux on the phone :-D

lkravovicz

2013-12-24 09:11

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1400222)

Hopefully it isn't that hard to compile it... then again, I'm not sure why I'd want screen or tmux on the phone :-D

Can't be hard, but Learning Another New Thing must be postponed for a few more weeks..

Having a terminal multiplexer is quite helpful for any ssh action to the phone. After all, it'll soon be time to bootstrap Gentoo Prefix on the Jolla.

Thoke

2013-12-24 10:49

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 1398873)

What headphones are you using?

Sorry for late reply!
I'm using some Koss in-ear earbuds with inbuilt volume controls. Don't remember the exact model, but I bought it maybe 1.5-2 years ago and it cost something between 17,90€ - 21,90€... Probably all the other similar (and newer) models work too if mine does.

m4r0v3r

2013-12-25 01:56

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

today i decided to buy a nexus five, I was sober, and it was in the logic that sailfish will be ported to the nexus five, but realistically after a few drinks, I don't think it would bring me the same joy as a Jolla phone would.

rentze

2013-12-25 09:53

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Here are my impressions after the first day with the Jolla. The OS is very intuitive and as smooth as butter. Having had an Android device for the last two years, it took me only a couple of minutes to get used to it...

While reading some of the previous posts here, I got the impression the software was half-baked and too "beta" to be released. My feeling so far is rather different -- sure, I've come across a couple of bugs, but they are really not that serious, especially given the workarounds the community has already come up with. I don't mind having to type a couple of commands in the terminal to get something to work... and I'm pretty sure most of those will be ironed out in the coming months.

And, yes, I already managed to drop it a couple of minutes back. :( No traces, but what I can notice is that the volume button is a bit loose -- I can hear it even when I shake the phone very gently. Now, I don't know if that was the original state. Others?

All in all, I am very pleased with my purchase. Now I'm eagerly waiting for TOHs to get off the ground -- a QWERTY TOH would make this phone absolutely amazing.

velox

2013-12-25 10:18

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1400489)

And, yes, I already managed to drop it a couple of minutes back. :( No traces, but what I can notice is that the volume button is a bit loose -- I can hear it even when I shake the phone very gently. Now, I don't know if that was the original state. Others?

That's the normal state of that Button, you're in luck. ;)

bennypr0fane

2013-12-25 15:38

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1399712)

It's weird that Storypod is Android, because I installed it from Jolla store and I thought we had only native apps in there. Otherwise people could also publish a gazillion Android apps in Jolla store, right?

Quote:

Vimeo:
Jolla browser -> warning: tech out of date video may not play properly, continue: yes -> black screen
Firefox browser-> Video plays in some separate browser screen opening, turns to portret as well as landscape (however the virtual Android buttons remain taking part of screen on the right.
Dailymotion
Jolla browser-> plays in full desktop site
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site
Youtube:
Jolla browser-> plays in mobile site - don't know how to go to desktop stie
Firefox browser-> plays in full desktop site

So that must mean Vimeo has faulty HTML5 implementation, right?

jamar

2013-12-25 16:22

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiempjuuh (Post 1400220)

+1

I was also used to have sorted my installed apps in folders (like Navigation folder with all GPS related apps, Games folder with games, Office folder with useful apps for work, Media folder with apps for pictures, videos, music and so on). Now, even with just a few apps installed on my Jolla the icons screen looks quite messy and I can't imagine searching for the right icon on several pages with few dozens of installed applications. So, I'm also hoping to have the possibility of sorting icons to folders as the number of usable apps on store grows.

mced	2013-12-25 16:53

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1400489)

Here are my impressions after the first day with the Jolla.(...)

Rentze words are my words. Even the fall! (Ouch!)

olympus

2013-12-25 18:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1400489)

My impressions after a day are very similar to yours. I can only add one thing, this "half-baked" Jolla is with n900 easily the best "phone" i ever laid my hands on.. And things can only get better. Well done Jolla!

_Routser

2013-12-26 17:10

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Happened few times now, that when someone calls me the phone/people app crashes and I can't answer or see who is calling although phone is ringing. Afterwards calling back is impossible without a reboot.

Also the screen started to go to sleep after 5-6 seconds for some reason for a while, this was also fixed by a reboot.

Those are the two bugs that have bugged me the most, otherwise quite smooth sailing and no bigger complaints. The few android apps that I use work great, and the UI starts to feel more natural by the day. Just bring on the UI updates and fixes and I'll be happy for one.

manu027

2013-12-26 20:42

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by torcida (Post 1400158)

I hope someone can help...

I don't see such an option, even after copying my .vcf files on my Jolla. :confused:

This method with a linux machine :

- Export all you contacts y vcard, V3.0
- Copy to you Linux machine
- Execute the bash (see at bottom)
- Copy the file generated at ~/Contacts.cvf by blutooth or by scp to your Jolla
- Open the Configuration tool -> start contacts -> import from file

- This worked for me, import all my contacts in few seconds.
- Can be, you can execute this code in the N900

The bash code :

#!/bin/bash

TARGET="$HOME/Contacts.vcf"
rm $TARGET

FILES=`ls -1|grep -e "vcf$"`

SAVEDIFS=$IFS
IFS=`printf "\n\b"`

for FILE in ${FILES}; do
echo "Processing file ${FILE}"
cat ${FILE} >> ${TARGET}
printf "\r\n" >> ${TARGET}
done

IFS=${SAVEDIFS}

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