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magullo 2018-02-03 15:53

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1540812)
Better native camera support I'd assume.

And dt2w, better email support, caldav and cardav decent featutes...

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Jedibeeftrix 2018-02-03 15:58

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1540812)
Better native camera support I'd assume.

and fm radio.

aQUICK1 2018-02-03 16:11

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1540814)
and fm radio.

NFC ! asap !

DrYak 2018-02-03 18:24

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
NFC: one of the problems is that there are no radio passing translation between the GNU/Linux layer in Sailfish X and the Android layer inside the AlienDalvik compatibility (there are currently no BlueDroid inside AlienDalvik).

So even if NFC get better supported inside Sailfish X, most of the Android applications won't be able to use it yet.
You'll be stuck with the few native Sailfish application that make use of it (so initially mostly "Other-Half" -like NFC chip detection).

Forget about NFC payment initially (the payment processors won't open their protocols to let some 3rd party make a free/libre open-source app on github, and the official apps from the payment processors won't work neither).

wrm 2018-02-03 20:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1540812)
Better native camera support I'd assume.

Of course :)

Korkkiruuvi 2018-02-04 00:57

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1540799)
Let's hope that XA2 will get Sailfish!

http://www.androidpolice.com/2018/02...vices-program/

XA2, isn't amazing for comparing Xperia X, so I hope we get official sailfish for high end device like Xperia XZ2.

Sure XA2 brings usb-c (still usb 2...), bigger battery, little bit better cpu and bluetooth 5, but that's meh.

Also that snapdragon 630 got weaker cores than 650 so that makes it little bit less good..More cores is bad thing many ways like application not optimized so well for many cores like eight.

Second thing is Jolla need use much of time for optimizing Sailfish for eight cores. Yeah I know that it's manufactured with smaller chip (14nm vs 28nm), that's good side of this newer snapdragon!

And then similarities 3gb ram, same crappy "ips lcd display" and Sailfish gets same **** camera performance.

Oh and no ac-standard wifi, no thanks...

I miss/ didn't mention everything on this message but you get my point.;)

New upcoming bezel-less oled Xperia would be crazy with sailfish! I would buy even double price if I can buy that dream phone.


But that's my opinion do not set war for this please.:rolleyes:

Anyways I eagerly waiting upcoming Early access 2.1.4 lapuanjoki update since january..

nieldk 2018-02-04 08:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1540818)
NFC: one of the problems is that there are no radio passing translation between the GNU/Linux layer in Sailfish X and the Android layer inside the AlienDalvik compatibility (there are currently no BlueDroid inside AlienDalvik).

So even if NFC get better supported inside Sailfish X, most of the Android applications won't be able to use it yet.
You'll be stuck with the few native Sailfish application that make use of it (so initially mostly "Other-Half" -like NFC chip detection).

Forget about NFC payment initially (the payment processors won't open their protocols to let some 3rd party make a free/libre open-source app on github, and the official apps from the payment processors won't work neither).

Hmm perhaps not easy. But seems Mozilla did some work on that for FirefoxOS.
So, it may be worthwhile looking into that?

https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/Bluetooth-bluedroid

At least, i dont think it should be impossible

Metsämies 2018-02-04 08:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Korkkiruuvi (Post 1540825)

Oh and no ac-standard wifi, no thanks...

Wi-Fi: 802.11 b, g, n, ac, dual-band


https://www.phonearena.com/phones/So...-Ultra_id10773

mautz 2018-02-05 10:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1536479)
Yeah, the flip cover magnet works on the community build too. I have the SCR50 touch cover. It works to turn the screen on when you open it, but the touch sensitive clear front doesn't work well at all. I've got a suspicion that the NFC tag in the case that you're supposed to pair with the Android handset tells it to go into "glove mode" or something, to make the screen more sensitive, since the "glove mode" is an advertised feature on the Xperia X.

Does anyone know if there's a way to do a "glove mode" with Sailfish?

You could try:

Code:

devel-su echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/input/clearpad/glove
Does the SCR50 work with this option enabled?

DrYak 2018-02-05 13:59

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1540830)
ut seems Mozilla did some work on that for FirefoxOS.
So, it may be worthwhile looking into that?

https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/Bluetooth-bluedroid

As far as I've understood by quickly skimming it :

- this is about Firefox OS being able to use "bluedroid" as its BT daemon (like most android) instead of "bluez" (like any full-blown GNU/Linux), to make the life of potential community ports easier.

So it's basically the reverse.

What you would need is the opposite : make BlueZ show up as "bluedroid" inside aliendalvik to android apps

Which currently hasn't been done yet.
It's not impossible, just not done yet.
(It's an effort that will also be useful for other android compatibility layers, such as andbox)

mrsellout 2018-02-05 14:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1540890)
You could try:

Code:

devel-su echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/input/clearpad/glove
Does the SCR50 work with this option enabled?

That did the trick, thanks!

Even if you don't have the SCR50, enabling glove mode may allow you to use your phone whilst wearing gloves.

Korkkiruuvi 2018-02-05 22:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1540831)
Wi-Fi: 802.11 b, g, n, ac, dual-band


https://www.phonearena.com/phones/So...-Ultra_id10773

Well I looked gsmarena:p

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xa2_ultra-8985.php

Which one is correct:confused: Anyways that's good if it contains wifi ac standard.

deprecated 2018-02-06 03:53

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1540890)
You could try:

Code:

devel-su echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/input/clearpad/glove
Does the SCR50 work with this option enabled?


It does! I just tested it with my SCR50 after executing that command. I also had suspicions about the NFC tag triggering glove mode, as the case worked great in Android.

Works well with this though, I imagine I'll try to create a toggle now.

Thanks!

atlochowski 2018-02-14 17:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Because valentine day there is a discount code for SailfishOS X:

Quote:

code: BEMYVALENTINE
discount 50%

so if you want SailfishOS go to shop.jolla.com

suicidal_orange 2018-02-14 17:31

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
If Jolla don't make money from selling these licenses how can they offer a discount? Something doesn't add up.

atlochowski 2018-02-14 17:46

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1541148)
If Jolla don't make money from selling these licenses how can they offer a discount? Something doesn't add up.

Ask Jolla.

They published info about this discount on Jolla official Twitter account but after couple hours they've removed this info. But code is still valid.

mautz 2018-02-14 17:52

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Has anyone compiled the kernel and built a working IMG of it? I don't want to follow the xperia guide and download the whole android to just compile a kernel.

DrYak 2018-02-15 09:44

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1541150)
Has anyone compiled the kernel and built a working IMG of it?

You're on the wrong thread

mautz 2018-02-15 12:59

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Why? I want to recompile the kernel for the official build not for the community build. But it would be good idea to ask in this thread too.

UBUNTUSCOFIELD 2018-02-15 14:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Hello comrades/sailors, i managed to properly install sailfish os however ive noticed that if i enable the adjust brightness automatically the battery drain is massive and it is tooo sensitive as in even when watching the television it responds and fluctuates between very bright and dim, anyone noticed this?

mautz 2018-02-15 16:02

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Could you give the output of
Code:

devel-su mcetool | grep 'Adaptive dimming threshold'
It should be 10000msecs

If not you can adjust it with
Code:

devel-su mcetool --set-adaptive-dimming-time=10000
or whichever value you want.

If you haven't installed mce-tools already install them with
Code:

pkcon install mce-tools

richie 2018-02-15 17:27

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UBUNTUSCOFIELD (Post 1541178)
Hello comrades/sailors, i managed to properly install sailfish os however ive noticed that if i enable the adjust brightness automatically the battery drain is massive and it is tooo sensitive as in even when watching the television it responds and fluctuates between very bright and dim, anyone noticed this?

I have it on and it's fine for me, typically get 2 days battery on X.

UBUNTUSCOFIELD 2018-02-16 10:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Thank you for your reply, also another thing, is there a patch that enables music control such as forward and back using the volume rocker buttons or earphone buttons it seems cumbersome to always wake the device just to forward/replay a song

UBUNTUSCOFIELD 2018-02-16 10:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1541183)
Could you give the output of
Code:

devel-su mcetool | grep 'Adaptive dimming threshold'
It should be 10000msecs

If not you can adjust it with
Code:

devel-su mcetool --set-adaptive-dimming-time=10000
or whichever value you want.

If you haven't installed mce-tools already install them with
Code:

pkcon install mce-tools

Much obliged, Ill try this out unfortunately ive updated to 2.1.4.12 and cant install mcetools so ill have to wait

mautz 2018-02-16 10:34

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
You could downgrade the device.

Regarding the track skipping there was a post about a dirty hack on TJC, i personally have never tried it.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...volume-rocker/

UBUNTUSCOFIELD 2018-02-16 11:25

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mautz (Post 1541276)
You could downgrade the device.

Regarding the track skipping there was a post about a dirty hack on TJC, i personally have never tried it.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...volume-rocker/

Be Blessed sir, thank you for this i managed to apply the patch

alfmar 2018-02-20 12:32

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
In 2014 I wrote a GPS software for my Jolla.
Due to QT-Location library not yet officially supported by SailfishOS (because in QT 5.1 it was still marked as "not yet stable API") I wasn't able to have it in JollaStore.
Year after year, Jolla conservatively kept QT 5.1 to not to wreck software compatibility.
In the meantime I continued enjoying my GPStuff even on Xperia X.

Well, four years later and after extensive testing SailfishOS eventually upgraded to QT 5.6 libraries: as soon as they release the updated Sailfish SDK for Lapuanjoki 2.1.4, I guess I'll finally see my four years old GPS app approved.
(and probably some old apps will not work anymore until updated).

Lapuanjoki features quite a lot of fixes, most notably SailfishX wifi hotspot.

There are still a dozen issues on Xperia X (sensors, carrier search, bluetooth, etc), mostly related to small things (for example, some users noticed in some case alarm didn't go off: here it's been months I use it almost daily, different alarms, and only once it didn't go off - I thought I just overslept).

Breeze5 2018-02-20 18:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Hi!
Is there an app that show RSS feeds on the event screen?
Like we had in N9?

mosen 2018-02-21 13:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
yay, MrMobile explains it all over again :D

Nice like/dislike ratio with ~7000/79 on youtube!

Also many commenters crying "we need a 3rd os" for various reasons. If only they realized things could become "better" if they get their arses up and spend ~250€ for sfosx xperia...

rogger888 2018-02-21 21:55

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I have just updated my dual sim xperia and noticed, like previous updates that the dual sim version is updated as if a single sim. I tried to apply the necessary adjustments using the phone's terminal but this time I've made a mistake and the phone won't boot up beyond the initial searching for the sim screen. ( a revolving circle which goes blank after about 20 seconds), I can't get access to the phone using my computer's remote terminal , I don't know why because I have successfully done it in the past. Any ideas anyone please. I don't mind doing a total reset if necessary as I made a backup but don't know how. Many thanks

aQUICK1 2018-02-21 22:34

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Was there not a recovery mode within the fastboot menu when u flashed it? ,can you still Telnet into device for recovery ?

just thought of it , i maybe need to reflash my x , its not 100 %

rogger888 2018-02-22 15:12

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Thanks for the reply, I wasn't flashing the software. I had installed the update successfully. It was after I tried to edit the text and install multisim that the phone wouldn't boot up.It hangs with the led showing orange and flashing on and off. I have clearly entered incorrect text somewhere, in addition I got a message saying the 2.1.4.13 jolla multisim couldn't be found. It will not let me get past the password authentication, I know the password is correct because I used it to edit the text initially. I reiterate if anyone can tell me how to do a full factory reset , it's not a problem because I backed everything up first.. Any ideas please.
As an aside my single sim after updating to 2.1.4.13 is showing the previous update as available! !

karlos devel 2018-02-22 22:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Sailors my xperia x is suffering out of memory, I need to defragment it, what steps to follow?
I do not undestand why jolla use BRTFS. many issues on it.
Thanks.

atlochowski 2018-02-22 22:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlos devel (Post 1541517)
Sailors my xperia x is suffering out of memory, I need to defragment it, what steps to follow?
I do not undestand why jolla use BRTFS. many issues on it.
Thanks.

There is no BTRFS on Xperia X.

karlos devel 2018-02-22 22:12

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1541518)
There is no BTRFS on Xperia X.

OK what file sistem are using? I do not checked. Also I reformated my sony-sdcard-64gb to BTRFS to using on 2.1.4 but not work.

MartinK 2018-02-22 22:41

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlos devel (Post 1541519)
OK what file sistem are using? I do not checked. Also I reformated my sony-sdcard-64gb to BTRFS to using on 2.1.4 but not work.

Starting with Jolla C/Intex Aquafish Sailfish OS switched to the (IMHO much more robust) combination of EXT4 on LVM.

As for the issues with BTRFS, the main issues were likely caused by the unfortunate combination of a rather small volume size (16 GB) and very old kernel with a very old version of BTRFS. There were also issues with updating the factory reset state, which turned to be more or less impossible with BTRFS covering all useable space.

Given that there have been basically zero storage integrity related issues since the switch to EXT4 @ LVM I'd say the change has been very successful. :)

karlos devel 2018-02-22 22:55

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Yeap you right @MartinK to old the kernel at the same time BTRFS. So why jolla enabling BTRFS suport? when this File-Sistem only is good on top version.

deprecated 2018-02-23 01:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Personally, I'm glad Jolla switched to EXT4/LVM. BTRFS is great for snapshotting and subvolumes, but EXT4 is still faster in most use cases... and the gap is only widening as kernels are updated.

TMavica 2018-02-23 01:24

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlos devel (Post 1541517)
Sailors my xperia x is suffering out of memory, I need to defragment it, what steps to follow?
I do not undestand why jolla use BRTFS. many issues on it.
Thanks.

enable swap memory

objectifnul 2018-02-23 09:14

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Memory swapping isn't necessarily a good idea with solid state memory (limited number of read/write operations then memory dies)


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