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pharmakon 2016-05-16 21:44
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1505291)
I agree on all what you say, except for the part "This was a scam, though" since this exactly was not a scam. A scam in my books is when somebody does not deliver because of malicious intent; all that could be done to save the project was done and people really put their best effort on it. Failure was due to external influences that coluld not be mitigated.
I'm not overly bothered about their emotions or the way they retrospectively frame their intent, the fact is that their paychecks got cut, but I didn't get a tablet. That's a scam. That money went from my pocket, was laundered through a crowdfunding site, was issued in a check to their employees, and went to their respective landlords. The fact that they went back to the well again and again demolishes any positive framing that I could possibly rationalize. I would be shocked if anyone would invest to pay off all of that old debt, unless they were expecting hockey stick growth (which no one in their right mind would expect.)

If I get the money back, that would be nice; but if I don't it's just a reminder that other people have different ethical standards, to the point that they can rip me off, spend the money on themselves, and honestly feel like victims of circumstance at the same time.

It doesn't do me any good to whine about it, and in the grand scheme of things it's a small amount of money, so I'm probably never going to post about it again. I am annoyed by the constant personal attacks on Dave999 for calling it as he sees it, and as I see it. I am entertained by his complete imperviousness to the criticism, and that he still manages to keep the mood light. If this were a board game being crowdfunded, and it didn't ship because all of the money went to the game developer's mortgage, nobody would have a problem recognising that there was a serious ethical breech here.

At the least, open source the work. Is that still in the cards? I remember reading a log of one of their crisis meetings that mentioned the possibility.

pichlo, I haven't moved on any more than if somebody robbed me in the street for $200, and your personal insults demean the entire thread.

alex25 2016-05-17 08:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I have just received a notification from Paypal that I got a payment from Jolla Asia Limited for "This is the 1st half of your refund amount.". :)

Dave999 2016-05-17 09:45
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alex25 (Post 1505626)
I have just received a notification from Paypal that I got a payment from Jolla Asia Limited for "This is the 1st half of your refund amount.". :)
Same here!

Got the mail, still no money but expect them to show up any second now.

I want to thank Jolla for realizing that refund was the only options in this scam and also want thank everyone here that supported the free choice for the supporters. We couldn't have pulled this off without eachother. Let's hope you all get your money soon...er!

We're now half way and I'm looking forward to dance with You all in this thread until mission is completed.

Cheers!

tommo 2016-05-17 09:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1505630)
Same here!

Got the mail, still no money but expect them to show up any second now.

I want to thank Jolla for realizing that refund was the only options in this scam and also want thank everyone here that supported the free choice for the supporters. We couldn't have pulled this off without eachother. Let's hope you all get your money soon...er!

We're now half way and I'm looking forward to dance with You all in this thread until mission is completed.

Cheers!
Congrats dave, this is a big day

OVK 2016-05-17 11:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I got three separate refunds (apparently for tablet, Lastu case and tablet upgrade), each one half of the original payments.

Bubbless 2016-05-17 13:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pharmakon (Post 1505617)
I'm not overly bothered about their emotions or the way they retrospectively frame their intent, the fact is that their paychecks got cut, but I didn't get a tablet. That's a scam. That money went from my pocket, was laundered through a crowdfunding site, was issued in a check to their employees, and went to their respective landlords. The fact that they went back to the well again and again demolishes any positive framing that I could possibly rationalize. I would be shocked if anyone would invest to pay off all of that old debt, unless they were expecting hockey stick growth (which no one in their right mind would expect.)
Yeah, what Jolla should have done instead is put the IGG funds on hold and file for bankruptcy couple of months earlier. Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

elastic 2016-05-17 16:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Got the first half of the refund to my PayPal account :-) (tablet and case
the refund for the 64GB upgrade is missing though ... )

mscion 2016-05-17 17:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Yes, but what about the other half?

chenliangchen 2016-05-17 17:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Congrats Dave!!

On the other hand, if Dave got his 2nd half refund, we will lose quite some fun on TMO…

And less scams on this planet.

mscion 2016-05-17 17:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
So is everyone getting a refund notice? I have not heard a word.


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