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pixelseventy2 2009-07-29 09:34
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 307293)
My opinion is you should hold out a little longer. The consensus seems to be that the tech is already outdated. A 2nd generation Android device with a Cortex A8 or better, combined with a supported graphics chip and at least 256 MB is gonna be the sweet spot.
That's the only reason I haven't bought one yet. But my gadget lust is just getting really anxious for anything at the moment. Come on Nokia!

REMFwhoopitydo 2009-07-29 09:38
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
i really want to want a maemo 5 device, but if this Android powered Zii arrives first i will be sorely tempted.

pixelseventy2 2009-07-29 10:19
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 307310)
i would say everyone is on hold for fremantle and/or mer right now...
STILL on hold. And have been for ~12 months now, with no (official) announcement of a device yet. Lots of announcements about the OS, but what good is that without a device?

daperl 2009-07-29 10:37
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 307440)
That refers to the various applets being dlls and taking down the whole hildon desktop when they crash. As we can see in beta2 statusbar applets are still dlls in Fremantle, but they are loaded into a different process so they can only crash the statusbar. Nothing to do with task switching either.
Yes, what I probably meant to say was that Nokia seems to have admitted that they might have made some poor decisions about how they implemented some major frontend components, and I agree with them based on my own multi-tasking experience.

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As long as you stay within the device's limits it multitasks fine, and it's nice to be able to stretch the limits when you want to (but the old adage about Unix giving you enough rope to hang yourself is still true).
I think it's the OS's limitations that I'm referring to, not the devices. So I disagree. But I do agree that Nokia is probably feeling the noose getting a little tight.

drizek 2009-07-29 16:13
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Originally Posted by fms (Post 307445)
Whatever other problems Maemo may have, I have no problem switching between tasks in Maemo. It is really really easy, easier than in Symbian/S60.


What does this have to do with task switching? A tabbed browser is a single task. Also, I am not sure if you know it, but by pressing the hardware button with two little intersecting rectangles you can get a list of all open browser windows. It is just like tabs.


In other words, you just want a Palm Pre. I do not see what the problem is then: buy yourself a Pre and be happy with all the sliding action.


I can tell you without any pictures that 480x320 at 163ppi will look shittier than 800x480 at 225ppi.
When you have an internet tablet, having multiple websites open is a large part of the multitasking experience. I know it is technically one task, one thread, etc, but thats not the point.

For me the big problem is switching between fullscreen apps. Yes, there is the hardware button, but it can be annoying depending on how you are holding it and often if you have multiple browser windows open you can't tell which is which. For example, if I open up 5 topics on certain forums, they will all have the same name and the same icon, and you have to cycle through them to find the one you want.

I guess it isn't bad, but nokia didn't really go out of its way to optimize task switching for mobile devices. They basically just put a windows list and a window switcher on the panel and called it a day, really no different from what something like XFCE uses.

fms 2009-07-29 17:13
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 307527)
When you have an internet tablet, having multiple websites open is a large part of the multitasking experience. I know it is technically one task, one thread, etc, but thats not the point.
Maemo MicroB allows that.

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For me the big problem is switching between fullscreen apps. Yes, there is the hardware button, but it can be annoying depending on how you are holding it and often if you have multiple browser windows open you can't tell which is which. For example, if I open up 5 topics on certain forums, they will all have the same name and the same icon, and you have to cycle through them to find the one you want.
This isn't much different from the desktop version of FireFox or IE which will show the same name in all 5 tabs, as long as the forum web site does not change the page title accordingly.

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I guess it isn't bad, but nokia didn't really go out of its way to optimize task switching for mobile devices. They basically just put a windows list and a window switcher on the panel and called it a day, really no different from what something like XFCE uses.
Yes, they did. And it works pretty well. Is it somehow wrong?

drizek 2009-07-29 19:37
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I never said it didn't work. I just said Palm did it better.

Yes, but on the desktop you have much longer tabs than the app switcher, usually big enough to fit the whole name.

Nokia did not go out of its way to optimize the experience for mobile devices. They took a desktop concept and figured that since they had a desktop resolution that they could get away with it.

App switchers and task bars are desktop concepts from the 90s, and no, it doesn't work well. I use a program called Switcher on my desktop to get Expose-like functionality, which is really nice. Moreover, MS really improved the taskbar in windows 7, giving you graphical previews of all your open windows. Alt+Tab and Win+Tab also give you screenshots, and Compiz in Linux does all of the above. Opera also implemented graphical tabs in 10, so you have a tab bar with screenshots of all your windows. You can also mouseover to get tab previews in Opera 9.

It seems most people prefer the idea of looking at their windows instead of getting a truncated version of the window title.

Bundyo 2009-07-29 19:49
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Originally Posted by drizek
Yes, but on the desktop you have much longer tabs than the app switcher, usually big enough to fit the whole name.
Like the ones in Chrome? :D

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Originally Posted by drizek (Post 307559)
App switchers and task bars are desktop concepts from the 90s, and no, it doesn't work well. I use a program called Switcher on my desktop to get Expose-like functionality, which is really nice. Moreover, MS really improved the taskbar in windows 7, giving you graphical previews of all your open windows. Alt+Tab and Win+Tab also give you screenshots, and Compiz in Linux does all of the above. Opera also implemented graphical tabs in 10, so you have a tab bar with screenshots of all your windows. You can also mouseover to get tab previews in Opera 9.

It seems most people prefer the idea of looking at their windows instead of getting a truncated version of the window title.
I'm not looking at small windows, I'm getting work done. Probably many people too. Why would you need tab previews or even application previews? The only reason I can think of is to watch a progress bar without switching to it. Yes, it is flashy, but it gets in the way most of the time. Expose? Brrr... That's the single most pointless effect ever.

Laughing Man 2009-07-29 20:33
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Expose is actually pretty useful, I use the Compiz equivilent, Scale which is much more elegant and smoother. It helps when you want to switch between windows on different virtual desktops quickly (when I'm not using Gnome-Do).

But on a mobile device..yeah I don't see Expose/Scale being that useful.

drizek 2009-07-29 20:38
Re: Perfect time to release Maemo 5.
 
I'm saying we need window previews as a more suitable task switcher for mobile devices. Not expose, but something where you can see multiple apps open and select the one you want with the touch screen.


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