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Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534119)

I didn't even had to cheat... anybody could have done it.. the whole thing is wide open... probably for months… if it was illegal, they should have code the necessary protection to avoid it, instead of leaving it like that and if nobody notice that before well... I can't really be blamed ;)

while i do agree with most of the points you make (OVI store, deployment hell etc), i can't let this one stand.

you knowingly exploited a bug (if you can even call it that), and you DO have to be blamed for that. just because there are no protections software-wise in place, doesn't mean it's up for everyone to do as they wish.

i appreciate you coming here and explaining your predicament, and i fully agree that the process is broken for commercial developers right now, but that does not justify what you have done.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534119)

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I had to still shout out loud that I'd still made something work out of it but couldn't really get it out there... I figure out there was a bug and I exploit it... that simple...

Please take note that I mean no disrespect to anyone from the community, I can't really be blamed, the door was wide open, and I didn't cause no harm to anybody so... I just found quite ashamed that the platform is out-there and really not ready for
game developers as well as customers... its really unfortunate...
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Hi!

Welcome to the maemo.org community - generally what we do here when we find a bug is we report it! On most sites throughout the website you can find a "Report a bug" link which takes you straight to the form for a bug report. This is generally the way to get a bug fixed, instead of blatantly exploiting it and then saying "it wasn't my fault there was a bug".

It's a bit like saying it's not theft since you left your front door unlocked isn't it?

Either way, I'm not surprised someone did try to game the system. Good thing we got community members watching and catching the exploit you used. Still some honorable people left on the internet ;-)

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534161)

Well, on the contrary... I would personally feel ALOT more safe dealing with someone like me... that means that I know what Im doing ;)

And won't let "security flaws" be integrated within my own code ;)

Well I would feel safe if you'd have reported the problem. Exploiting it tells me that you have skill and dubious morals.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

cyeung: So create a decent process for people to be able to create commercial apps on the platform... Only commercial apps will make the platform go forward as it will get the attention of developers...

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534119)

This is when I start checking the Extras (since I had NO other way to publish the app).

Extras is not exclusive you know, if you don't like the QA rules you are free to create your own repository.

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and I do apologize for the ranking... I found a flaw and exploit it...

That is the real issue right there. The existence of a flaw does not make it alright to exploit it, and whatever your issues with Nokia, Ovi etc the vote spamming was totally inappropriate. It basically boils down to misleading the community about the amount of community testing that has gone into the packages.

Apology accepted, but whether trust lost can be regained is another issue altogether.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Let's make some deals here. We'll all suddenly forget what just happened if you'll port the rest of your games (TankGame, MeditationGarden and BackyardWar).

Hey, it's a win-win situation! ;)

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Maybe we need to move on, but SI02 needs to understand and appreciate that the community doesn't really look favourably on his actions regardless of his personal/business situation.

At the end of the day, I know nothing really in terms of coding and development but can understand that we need people like him/you to develop the platform.

If we can all grin and bare what was done (not forgetting mind!!), then we show what a great community we are, and we get the skills of another person to develop for the N900.

My two cents, or two pence!! :)

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Ima: And think that the series of games and the port of the engine to the N900 that I will release, will do just that if the experience is successful ;)

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534161)

All you have to do to prove your above statement is to open up all the code to your applications to public scrutiny. Are you willing to do so? For those who don't know where I'm coming from I provide the following link blackhatworld.com.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by sio2interactive (Post 534119)

- No need for having 3 tester to approve.

- Votes can be executed as much as you want by the same IP address. I didn't even have to use proxy or anything... (same for the application rating)

- Voters doesn't even need to have karma.

- The 10 days in standby was not working on the server and I was able to go up and running in a few hours… due to a buggy date comparison code. Does the coders did even test the whole thing? I dont know...

I feel quite ashamed cuz the device is really great, but the whole experience for game developers is REALLY disappointing, buggy, unstable and would NEVER have imagine that… not from you know who...
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I had to still shout out loud that I'd still made something work out of it but couldn't really get it out there... I figure out there was a bug and I exploit it... that simple...

Please take note that I mean no disrespect to anyone from the community, I can't really be blamed, the door was wide open, and I didn't cause no harm to anybody so... I just found quite ashamed that the platform is out-there and really not ready for
game developers as well as customers... its really unfortunate...

Oh. This is complicated. Hmmm. I´m having huge problem with your attitude even bugs / exploits you mentioned are well known.

I live in (or at least i think) country where i can leave my wallet/phone on jackets pocket and no one will take it. If i leave my car running and there is keys no one will take it. There is many things that I take as granted. You could say that i´m bit fool and maybe easy target for people who want to take advantage of other people. Do you understand what I´m trying to tell? It's called trust. I trust easily other people and most of time they are really really wonderful and nice. It just feels quite bad when someone uses system like this. Developers here have great responsibility compared to Apples system where you have apple standing before you. And remember than maemo/meego community might be Nokia's pet child, but it has it´s own practices and quite many things on here are based on trust. "Don't be evil" so to say.

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Had to add that I really really understand your frustration but it doesn't justify your actions.