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johnel 2010-03-01 19:34
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by konttori (Post 551416)
/me takes his nokia hat on:
We haven't been very forthcoming about the content being created for the next releases of maemo 5. I can assure you, there is a lot of great content being developed, and you should be able to get your hands on it soonish.

Roadmap page is a great idea in my opinion, the only issue being in it the dates, which we don't want to commit to. But I'm sure a roadmap can be built without such. I'll take the action of following that up.
Yaaaayyyyyy!

This is exactly what we need more stuff like this.

I uderstand what you mean by dates. I love the sound deadlines make as they go whooshing by!

spanner 2010-03-01 19:38
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 551463)
I understand that, but some idea of dates would certainly be useful.
Useful maybe, but absolutely not essential.

IMHO your post - in the context of this thread - undermines the lesson I'd like Nokians to take from it: that partial information is better than no information.

bonerp 2010-03-01 19:42
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
a decent voting system for apps in dev or proposed would be a good start. This forum is quite clunky and provides too many doors for members to open threads in various different places. Trying to maintain momentum in something gets lost by the next thread or big idea elsewhere.

Also having dialogue to nokia and key devs on here (without detracting from their good work actually developing apps and new releases) is a great idea and very welcomed. Maybe a daily/weekly diary from programme managers?

Milhouse 2010-03-01 19:49
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by konttori (Post 551416)
/me takes his nokia hat on:
We haven't been very forthcoming about the content being created for the next releases of maemo 5. I can assure you, there is a lot of great content being developed, and you should be able to get your hands on it soonish.

Roadmap page is a great idea in my opinion, the only issue being in it the dates, which we don't want to commit to. But I'm sure a roadmap can be built without such. I'll take the action of following that up.
Excellent suggestion, many thanks.

Just knowing, for instance, that the OMAP3 optimised version of Flash Player 10.1 is planned for Maemo5 would be great news and shouldn't be considered a secret as most of the competition (apart from the Cuppertino bandits) already appear to have it pencilled in for their platforms.

twaelti 2010-03-01 19:50
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by konttori (Post 551416)
We haven't been very forthcoming about the content being created for the next releases of maemo 5. I can assure you, there is a lot of great content being developed, and you should be able to get your hands on it soonish.

Roadmap page is a great idea in my opinion, the only issue being in it the dates, which we don't want to commit to. But I'm sure a roadmap can be built without such. I'll take the action of following that up.
Thank you for your post. Most of us really believe strongly in Maemo, trust you guys at the keyboards and appreciate very much what you did in the last year for the N900. It's just that Nokia's (visible) output dried up considerably over the last months since the release of the N900 (guess everybody had to catch up on holidays finally :-), with PR1.1 being just a "cosmetic" release for many (even if the devs here appreciate the finetuning of the framework etc.)

Nobody reasonable expects any date commitment, but why can't Nokia announce a feature roadmap like other software houses do? Quarterly estimates would more than suffice. And explain why some perhaps expected things won't show up (technical, economical, marketing reasons).

A purely hypothetical (but IMHO not entirely unreasonable) roadmap might just look like:
  • Q4'09/Q1'10 (Winter): PR 1.1 Stability, critical fixes
  • Q1/Q2 '10 (Spring): PR 1.2 Ovi Maps 2.0 (offline search, map loader compatible), QT 4.6, Ovi Store open for commercial apps. Google Sync compatibility. Flash 10.1 hardware-accelerated. Front-facing cam enabled for all possible protocols . Camera app with HDR mode. Assign custom ringtones to contacts. MediaPlayer with Equalizer and vastly improved playlist editor.
  • Q2/Q3 '10 (Summer): PR 1.3 Ovi Maps 4.0 (voice navigation, based on QT 4.6, feature equivalent to Symbian). Full portrait mode for major Nokia Apps. MMS. Open sourcing of selected Nokia Apps under a slightly restricting licence to protect IP.
  • Q3/Q4 '10 (Autumn) : PR 2.0 MeeGo for N900 (Paid upgrade @ 10 EUR)
  • Q4'10/Q1'11 (Winter): PR 2.1 Stability, critical fixes.
  • ...
(Again: just an example)

Such a roadmap would be a great marketing help against FUD, as it would show the extent of Nokia's commitment and assure potential buyers of the "long-term" potential of the platform. You want people to keep buying N900 until the next device comes, or not? So the buzz must be kept alive, and this can only be done by releasing head-turning updates, therefore each release MUST feature at least 1-2 "supersexy" features (the bold items on my hypothetical roadmap are such examples)

Last but not least, the roadmap might also be useful when closing bugs in the maemo bugzilla, as we might more clearly see an indication when to expect a fix released.

(BTW: I will PM you on how to coordinate my Wiicontrol fixes :-)

bonerp 2010-03-01 19:54
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Yes it would also keep N900 doubters if they knew what was in the pipeline. I have considered very carefully last weekend whether to change the N900 for something else as I cannot see whats coming officially and for some aspects is there any light at the end of the tunnel.
Came to the conclusion that actually it does most things very well and nothing else provides the functionality in quite the same way I want.
However having an in 'progress' and an agreed 'to do' list would be a great asset.

Freemantle 2010-03-01 20:01
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 550967)
THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE THREAD IN THE COMMUNITY SUBFORUM. Repeated rants will be moved elsewhere.

It looks like almost any thread these days is good to derive in a "sure, but what about Harmattan/MeeGo running in the N900", followed by a chain of messages that don't contribute much more than bad community mood.

You can say: "It's all you fault". Ok, so be it. Now, can we move forward here in maemo.org?

While it is true that Nokia hasn't communicated Harmattan or MeeGo official support plans for the N900, it is also true that all the FUD is not helping the average N900 user following Talk. We are in the best momentum Maemo ever had, sales and countries of distribution are increasing, Nokia cares more than ever about this platform and the team pushing it, entities like Ovi or Forum Nokia are putting more and more resources... and then poor Joe reading posts here feels "abandoned".
So, could the community please stop giving the N900 a bad public image and get back to developing/testing/bugfixing instead, as no one else is, and even if they were we have no outlet for their software anyway. (Oh yes, so sorry, a working Ovi store is coming isn't it).

Ronaldo 2010-03-01 20:19
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 551497)
Thank you for your post. Most of us really believe strongly in Maemo, trust you guys at the keyboards and appreciate very much what you did in the last year for the N900. It's just that Nokia's (visible) output dried up considerably over the last months since the release of the N900 (guess everybody had to catch up on holidays finally :-), with PR1.1 being just a "cosmetic" release for many (even if the devs here appreciate the finetuning of the framework etc.)

Nobody reasonable expects any date commitment, but why can't Nokia announce a feature roadmap like other software houses do? Quarterly estimates would more than suffice. And explain why some perhaps expected things won't show up (technical, economical, marketing reasons).

A purely hypothetical (but IMHO not entirely unreasonable) roadmap might just look like:
  • Q4'09/Q1'10 (Winter): PR 1.1 Stability, critical fixes
  • Q1/Q2 '10 (Spring): PR 1.2 Ovi Maps 2.0 (offline search, map loader compatible), QT 4.6, Ovi Store open for commercial apps. Google Sync compatibility. Flash 10.1 hardware-accelerated. Front-facing cam enabled for all possible protocols . Camera app with HDR mode. Assign custom ringtones to contacts. MediaPlayer with Equalizer and vastly improved playlist editor.
  • Q2/Q3 '10 (Summer): PR 1.3 Ovi Maps 4.0 (voice navigation, based on QT 4.6, feature equivalent to Symbian). Full portrait mode for major Nokia Apps. MMS. Open sourcing of selected Nokia Apps under a slightly restricting licence to protect IP.
  • Q3/Q4 '10 (Autumn) : PR 2.0 MeeGo for N900 (Paid upgrade @ 10 EUR)
  • Q4'10/Q1'11 (Winter): PR 2.1 Stability, critical fixes.
  • ...
(Again: just an example)

Such a roadmap would be a great marketing help against FUD, as it would show the extent of Nokia's commitment and assure potential buyers of the "long-term" potential of the platform. You want people to keep buying N900 until the next device comes, or not? So the buzz must be kept alive, and this can only be done by releasing head-turning updates, therefore each release MUST feature at least 1-2 "supersexy" features (the bold items on my hypothetical roadmap are such examples)

Last but not least, the roadmap might also be useful when closing bugs in the maemo bugzilla, as we might more clearly see an indication when to expect a fix released.

(BTW: I will PM you on how to coordinate my Wiicontrol fixes :-)
good post, hopefully nokia's plans are similar to make this nice peice of kit to the best mobile device of 2010!

ewan 2010-03-01 20:25
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanner (Post 551480)
IMHO your post - in the context of this thread - undermines the lesson I'd like Nokians to take from it: that partial information is better than no information.
I certainly hope it didn't, and it wasn't intended to. I entirely endorse the idea that something is better than nothing, and I thoroughly support konttori's proposal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freemantle (Post 551507)
So, could the community please stop giving the N900 a bad public image
The community is not doing that. If the lack of communication from Nokia is giving the device a bad image then the fault is with Nokia's lack of communication, it is not with the community's talking about it. We don't make things better by hiding problem if it's real.

Freemantle 2010-03-01 20:33
Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 551536)
The community is not doing that. If the lack of communication from Nokia is giving the device a bad image then the fault is with Nokia's lack of communication, it is not with the community's talking about it. We don't make things better by hiding problem if it's real.
yeah, sorry Ewan. I'm totally with you actually, was just referring to Qgill's post about removing FUD and "bad talk" from the community forums.


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