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rpgAmazon 2010-04-30 21:32

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
Uhhhmmmm... I read some of these notes too, but every paragraph ends with "... but this is only a pre-release unit...". Sorry, they do it bad, perhaps the new CEOs does it better, perhaps too late.

christexaport 2010-04-30 21:35

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 635326)
This, along with "if you don't like it, buy an iPhone" is repeated here often. But the fact is we should all care - a lot.

I don't think most of us don't care, we are just more closely informed as to Nokia's strategy. OPK will not be fired because everything is going exactly as he announced in 2007, when he said Nokia would indeed concede share for awhile and remain mostly flat for most of that coming future while focusing on services. How can you fire a guy for doing exactly what he said he would 3 years ago? He lost some share, but has largely kept the ship afloat. I think Nokia's shareholders aren't very worried as rumored, and this is all as much conjecture as their prospects for buying Palm.

OPK said he would return Nokia's focus to hardware and the US market when they had strengthened their strategy, revamped their software ecosystem, became a vertical solution, and market forces were more favorable. The culmination comes in late 2010, early 2011. So a firing would be premature.

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Market share will directly impact future third party services that may not otherwise be available to us, scale will enable Nokia to polish the devices we want to buy, and profitability is the only thing that can convince Nokia to continue on this path.
Totally agree. Nokia's play in the app sales space will be bolstered by the N8 and American carrier support for Symbian. The American market will get a chance to see Ovi, and developers will have more local reason to begin targeting the platform, along with MeeGo, WebOS, MacOSX, Windows, Linux, and Unix.

I like how you mentioned scale allowing Nokia to "polish" their devices. I expect a couple N8 variants with refined features. No one else can offer such a deal. Apple comes close, but with its slow hardware refinement rates, it doesn't quite match up. It will take Apple a year to update the iPhone 4G/HD/Ceramic Back/iStolen, while N8 variants can come in months. Its an advantage many overlook, and why Nokia has so many "variants" of devices.

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The often dismissive attitude towards Symbian is also dangerous. MeeGo is still very much dependent on Symbian's market share to drive application development with Qt, and we should be extremely grateful that a proper Linux distro has this asset behind it. There's no other way it will ever break into the mass market.

And now that Symbian is free software too, surely we should stand behind both of them, and hope Nokia retakes every last bit of ground it has lost.
Great comment indeed. The synergy of the two OSes is another big advantage.

What many don't get, and why I think this Reuters article has little weight is Nokia's real strategy lies not in Symbian or MeeGo. Why do you think they were open sourced? Because OPK and Co. know they are irrelevant.

The real focus is the services and Qt. This will be Nokia's bread and butter going forward. Apple's focus isn't the iPhone per se, but their iTunes media service, MobileMe, the SKD and App Store, and their future advertising delivery system. Just like Nokia's OSes, the iPhone is just a vehicle to enable those services and tools.

If Symbian and MeeGo fail, so what? OPK and Co. have made sure to take them out of the equation. If it fails, they still have the manufacturing capacity to shift to Android, WinMo/WP7, or even WebOS should HP be ready to license it out. I can promise they'll be able to make a better device running Android than anyone else. And they could always port Qt to Android or WP7, make Ovi Maps available to other devices, and still be a formidable foe in the marketplace.

I'm not so worried for Nokia. :rolleyes:

christexaport 2010-04-30 21:37

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by gom4381 (Post 635335)
Semantics. 20-7=13? Lost, dropped, removed, whatever. It is still the same. Why argue on a point like that?

66% much larger than 13%. just saying...

mrojas 2010-04-30 21:47

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
Glad to see you around, chris!

bugelrex 2010-04-30 22:02

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 635531)
OPK will not be fired because everything is going exactly as he announced in 2007, when he said Nokia would indeed concede share for awhile and remain mostly flat for most of that coming future while focusing on services.

Where was the part where his plan involved dropping the value of the company 50% from 2007 valuation bringing it back to 1998 valuation levels?

If you owned a company and the manager just wiped out your entire wealth for 12 years while the competition is growing (i.e its not the market, its the PRODUCT) you wouldn't fire him?

c'mon.....

devu 2010-04-30 22:19

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
And ask yourself if you are from UK or US. Why the hell is that working so perfectly in those countries!

egoshin 2010-04-30 22:40

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 635508)
I don't like netbooks because they're slow and you need a table to use them properly. Especially in airplanes. Slate form factor is easier to carry, lighter and they manage well most places; You can put them where magazines can go.

There are multiple netbook products and depending from what you want. Basically there is nothing in netbook idea which prevents them to pickup iPad market. The only essential differences between netbooks and iPad for now are a keyboard and a slimness/weight. But that depends - Sony (expensive) is pretty slim.

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Granted I can't do all of my sys admin stuffs, because iPad aren't jailbroken yet (yea yea), but right now I got ssh, rdp and vnc on it already to do 90% of what I need. If I need to do plenty of text entry/commands, I just prop the slate up on the table and flip open my bluetooth keyboard (stowaway full sized foldable keyboard).
I don't speak about this stuff - iPad and any touchpad devices are not very good in this anywhere - KBD is absent and thats it. And BT KBD doesn't solve a problem - it is a second device and although it can be used, that solution is not good if there is netbook.

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I'm not saying it's superior in all cases to netbook, but it's a very versatile form factor. And the amount of functionalities they crammed in it (digital compass, accelerometer, great doc manipulation, etc) means it can go places where netbooks don't.

imho this is a form factor to watch.
Yes, form factor takes place, and it the reason why i spoke about bedtime. But if we exclude a consumption of prepared content (read - look video, read books) then it doesn't win at all in any situation. And if we speak about airplane then looking video is not the best for it, actually device with N900 form factor is better in it's crammed space. (I am not sure about reading - it may be better to have a bigger screen for many people but Kindles are best here)

Techark 2010-05-01 00:21

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
Look at the Nokia line up of phones.
Now look at the blackberry line up of phones.
Now look at the apple line up of phones.

Notice a pattern?

Apple has one phone, they concentrate on that phone and make it smooth user friendly and easy to use.
Blackberry has a smaller list of phones they run a unified OS across all of them. They are coming out with new phones all the time but they incremental upgrades to current models.

Nokia on the other hand has been all over the place they have different platforms different handsets they kill one and replace it with a brand new model that is totally new. Developers are scattered. Over all the sum of the market share was good but because it was so scattered it was not dominate in any one area.

I can see a long term plan hatching at Nokia now with a unified platform core, instead of a shotgun approach to everything mobile it is becoming more focused.

The big question now is it too little too late.
If they fire this CEO and shift gears now I see no way for Nokia to ever make it back to the top.

Texrat 2010-05-01 00:25

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 635547)
Where was the part where his plan involved dropping the value of the company 50% from 2007 valuation bringing it back to 1998 valuation levels?

If you owned a company and the manager just wiped out your entire wealth for 12 years while the competition is growing (i.e its not the market, its the PRODUCT) you wouldn't fire him?

c'mon.....

Nokia has cycled like that before. Stockholders have made good money buying at around $13 per share and being patient. I speak from experience. Twice so far. :D

ysss 2010-05-01 02:17

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 635577)
There are multiple netbook products and depending from what you want. Basically there is nothing in netbook idea which prevents them to pickup iPad market. The only essential differences between netbooks and iPad for now are a keyboard and a slimness/weight. But that depends - Sony (expensive) is pretty slim.

The essential difference is the software stack.

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I don't speak about this stuff - iPad and any touchpad devices are not very good in this anywhere - KBD is absent and thats it. And BT KBD doesn't solve a problem - it is a second device and although it can be used, that solution is not good if there is netbook.
If you're a sysadmin type and that comprise of a majority of your activities with said device, then yeah. In my usecases, it's just a fraction of the thing I do with mine.

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Yes, form factor takes place, and it the reason why i spoke about bedtime. But if we exclude a consumption of prepared content (read - look video, read books) then it doesn't win at all in any situation. And if we speak about airplane then looking video is not the best for it, actually device with N900 form factor is better in it's crammed space. (I am not sure about reading - it may be better to have a bigger screen for many people but Kindles are best here)
N900 is way too small for video consumption.
I've owned 3 tablet PC, 2 netbooks and numerous handheld devices. I've made some comparisons too.


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