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Re: nokia n9 vs the real world. - a realistic out of the box experience review

I could not read all of the OP's posts because it seemed like he wrote it too fast, and on that old flip phone he mentioned. And who could possibly care about all that personal history?
The one thing thnis thread has me worried about: the N9 browser doesn't save passwords?!? Is this true? I still use my N900 but will get a white N9 (64gb if possible). But saving passwords is so basic--this feature alone could make me change my mind.

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Originally Posted by lancewex (Post 1133549)

And who could possibly care about all that personal history?

LOL so true, it was basically a stream of consciousness (if you could even call it that), TLDR.
Guy doesn't seem to know how to outline thoughts clearly, & succinctly, perhaps he was in a rush.

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The one thing thnis thread has me worried about: the N9 browser doesn't save passwords?!? Is this true?.

Sadly this is true....
Although I think it was confirmed by konttori that it's in 1.2.
Maybe search here.... (or the bug-tracker)
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.co...few-other.html
Fennec covers everything (if not more) that any stock browser does, & is getting snappier (still some work).
And there'll be an official Opera client soon (maybe already?)

Re: nokia n9 vs the real world. - a realistic out of the box experience review

The biggest problem for me are FONTS, make those FONTS scalable to larger sizes, and my work MFE is not working. Otherwise its a pretty, functional device with very nice maps and drive app. Its a good companion to N900, or in my case, iphone 4. The call clarity is great as compared to the iphone, so iphone is used for my work email and N9 for calls and everything else.

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1133547)

But you were making sweeping statements about how useless it all is, long before you even had the N9.
So it's not as though you have much credibility, you've wanted to dislike it from day one.
And now that you've owned it for 1-month, you have the supposed 'proof' to turn around and go:
"Aha see, I've used it for X long, so I must know best!"

Don't remember. Luckily you did. Did I do the same about the N900? Please shoot me if so. ;)

But where exactly would you define day one of the N9?

You really think one can't make an educated statement about simple tech stuff based on experience, hardware facts, previews and intuition? Well ok then. :rolleyes:

Anyway not expecting to like all of it, I did buy the N9 because out of gadget curiosity and Maemo fanboyism.

That makes me more "nerd buys number x mobile device" than I was during purchase of my first N900.

Credibility in above post of mine is not what I am looking for as I basically state to agree with OP what he writes.

And what he writes is verifiable when you put N900 and N9 next to each other.

If you don't feel what he is talking about then maybe you wanted to like the N9 too much from day one :D Happy you.

Wake up, the N900 has set the bar pretty high regarding interface design.

Unless you are a "dev" and have some reason to promote the N9, I suggest you raise your own bar a few levels and don't swallow that unbalanced interface design that easily.

Because it's almost 2012 and we are moving backward.

The N9 is a fun phone, but it's not the embodiment of today's mobile computing future that the N900 projected.

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Originally Posted by lancewex (Post 1133549)

The one thing thnis thread has me worried about: the N9 browser doesn't save passwords?!? Is this true? I still use my N900 but will get a white N9 (64gb if possible). But saving passwords is so basic--this feature alone could make me change my mind.

It is a security feature not to save passwords:
You see, the N9 is meant for general public that would save the passwords , loose the phone and then be victim of identity theft and what more..

But there is good news for you: the Fennec runs indeed well on the N9 (heaven compared to the N900) and has password saving + master password option.

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Originally Posted by Keferen (Post 1133272)

okay okay, i think a few of you have missed the point here. i am surrounded with all the latest mobiles. i own a n9. i bought it. why? i believe it can be greater than anything on the market.
what parts of the n9 and n900 am i comparing? basic out of the box functionality. clock, sms, contact list, music player, video player. every phone has these. who uses these core system apps? everyone. its comparing apples with apples *ahem*. how is this being negative or bitter? put your open source defender of the free world banners away for a moment. i even compared to android and ios.

i fully agree that the n9 device itself is pretty stunning visually. it looks sleek and space age. but that doesnt make it good. thats aesthetics. they put some time into that obviously as they are launching it as the windows phone too.

the ui swipe experience is something new too. its fast. its responsive. its interesting. im double tapping every screen to activate now.
but the other point i tried to raise was the n900 with keyboard closed is exactly the same as the n9, as with any other keyboardless android device and an apple. the n900 can be fully navigated with only the touch screen with only a few touches to get anywhere. the n9 ui experience doing the exact same things even with the all *new* swipe ui is painful. this is how i tested that part of it. currently the n9 swipe ui is cumbersome and gimmicky. i tested how much swiping was needed to be done to do the same on n9 <> n900 to see if there was a difference either way. try it for yourself side by side. the n9 ui could be minimum swipe friendly but its not. they missed the boat (the titanic? lol) on that one. and the 'fact' that the n9 is going to be the only meego device with support for the next 3 years means that the hardware like the n900 will be woefully obsolete quickly, no matter how flashy the outside of it looks. but the n900 ui will still be faster to use/navigate and android/apple phones will leap ahead in functionality.

@strange1712
thats what i thought too but they crippled the n950 ram wise :(

@Manatus
my idea for incoming phone calls still stands. if in your pocket or what not the proximity censor is still on so cant accidentally hang up or swipe away.

on your n9 open the browser and enter the url http://maps.google.com and click classic view (not mobile view). what just happened there? works fine on n900/htc desire/iphone4. sure the new browser is fast but its no good if it locks while rendering pages. it doesnt like iframes and renders tables with graphic fragments.

Point taken on proximity sensor. It indeed works well enough to guarantee that you don't accidentally swipe it to drop call.

I disagree a bit on browser thing; on my Desire Z built-in browser is pretty much useless even on some regular sites like www.androidpolice.com (desktop version). Doesn't matter if it is Cyanogen or stock rom. It lags, it sucks. I don't think that any of the current built-in browsers for any phone do everything right. But valid point still.
I tried aforementioned site with SGII and I was happy to see that it was smooth on Android vanilla browser, but it really took the juice out of the device and it turned really hot. (MicroB does fine.)

I disagree a lot about usability of swipe. For me it is completely different and more natural thing to do a physical motion that starts anywhere on that approx. 5 to 10 cm line that are the sides of the screen, than try to poke under 1x1 cm icons on the screen in a bus that is going this way and that under your feet, keeping your eyes on the device constantly. This same thing is painfully evident in those occasions when you actually have to poke that black small button smirking at you in the lower left corner of N9. So paradoxically N9 drives its point home by doing both. It proves swipe is superior, but then breaks its own rules (not intentional design flaw of course).
Small irks or not, most vital parts of UI with swipe is always better than no swipe at all, and you have to give credit for N9 for that.

Small details matter as every Apple user knows, and with swipe we are talking about very basic things in smartphone use, things that are used constantly, so it is not even a small detail in the end.

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I have to agree with OP too. All in all N9 is a premature ejaculation. I am glad I got it for free and use it as a phone and messaging, but not for what it is supposed to be. It is a pretty accessory to N900. No more than that

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1133575)

I don't really agree on the Fennec thought, i've used that for about a week (10 and 11 nightlies) but it's quite a bit slower and more resource intensive than the stock browser. Perhaps like jalyst mentions it takes a bit more time for it to get optimized, but right now i don't consider it a replacement in terms of performance and ease of use.

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1133575)

I assume you were teasing lancewex :D. But yeah, I prefer not to save passwords on my phone for security reasons.
Firefox runs slower than the stock browser, even the latest ver. 11.

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1133572)

But where exactly would you define day one of the N9?

Oh I dunno exactly, but it was many weeks before it actually started shipping.

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You really think one can't make an educated statement about simple tech stuff based on experience, hardware facts, previews and intuition? Well ok then. :rolleyes:

Of course, if it's well-reasoned & not coming from some sort of angst/bias.

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Anyway not expecting to like all of it, I did buy the N9 because out of gadget curiosity and Maemo fanboyism.

You could've fooled me, I've never seen you post one thing you like about it.
It's been a constant stream of: "this is ****, that is ****, blah, blah". But maybe you have.

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And what he writes is verifiable when you put N900 and N9 next to each other.
If you don't feel what he is talking about then maybe you wanted to like the N9 too much from day one :D Happy you.

No I reason & then I conclude, I don't let emotional bias creep-in whatsoever.

I didn't read all the points he made, it was far too terribly formatted.
You were obviously motivated to suffer through that, impressive given that English is your second language.
I read snippets, & most of those where just way off-the-mark, so I stopped reading.
It seemed like the remainder couldn't possibly be coming from someone being genuinely objective.

Maybe I haven't given him a "fair crack of the whip", I guess it's because I see these debates as pointless.
As I start to discover all the flaws/limitations for myself, I will look to see how/where they can be corrected.
And where that's not going to happen any time soon, I'll move on to the next area of interest/concern.

I suspect many of the folks making these sort of posts, are in-fact astroturfing.
It's not coming from a place of genuinely appreciating the device, & wanting to work toward it's development.
Not all such posters, but definitely a sub-set....

I'm not interested in formulating all-encompassing/superior arguments as-to-why it's worse overall compared to phone x.
Nor am I interested in countering such weird postulations. I mean, as far as I can see, that's nothing but a destructive thing.
I'm all for identifying problems, & then moving on to how they can be solved, but these debates are never about that.

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Wake up, the N900 has set the bar pretty high regarding interface design.
The N9 is a fun phone, but it's not the embodiment of today's mobile computing future that the N900 projected.

You see that's more hyperbole, & in all probability it's not massively superior in every way.
And you also jettison anything that may or may not happen going forward, as though it doesn't matter at all.