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Zoxir 2012-02-04 16:01
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan_F (Post 1160435)
N9 outsold Nokia - yep, we all (open mobile platforms and Nokia fans) have bought it. The question is, if there's some more space for growth. I'll probably take one more, when it gets a bit cheaper, but I'm afraid it's not going to feed Nokia :)

The WP - still, we're not the standard customers. There are lot's of people on "developed markets" who are looking for their first smartphone experience. They don't have a big expectations about possibillities of smartphones. They want something, that's quick, easy to use, has got e-mail, browser, social services, is well compatible with PCs, have some funny apps and runs more than a day on battery. That's the market where MS is aiming. That's that ugly "amazing everyday".

what makes WP better than iOS - UI, it's smart and effective, many apps has system integration. Yep, Harmattan has it too, but iOS has separate apps for everything and stupid interaction model

what makes WP better than Android - same things as above + it's not fragmented and it's easy to use, such asi iOS

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edit: Sorry, somebody delete the duplicate post I've accidentaly made :)

edit: Thanks jalyst.
Whether meego could or could not feed nokia wasn't mentioned in my post. My point was that WP cannot.

Developed markets are really easy to read. What you're talking about is a group of people called "late adopters" which will not buy a device unless their absolutely sure about it. And how do they make sure? They see what everybody else is using. Everybody else is using iOS and android and that is why MS has failed so badly at sales. Every dumbphone in the market will offer what you mention and btw just because it's called windowns it doesn't mean it is compatible with a PC. Got zune???? :D Let alone that apps that are just ported from iOS and android don't work as well on WP

Calling iOS stupid and WP smart isn't much of an argument everyone can do it, ie DOS is smart windows 7 is stupid. System integration is good as long as it doesn't limit your choices.

Same goes for calling android stupid. But fragmentation is a valid point lets se in what other related markets we observe this phenomenon....... The desktop market theres Windows Xp and Vista and 7 and the place I used to work 2 years ago had a few windows me PCs which I doutb have been ugraded. So fragmentation is not great but it's not the devil either since I would rather run froyo on my old tablet with 256 RAM rather than getting iOS 5 on my iphone 3GS and make it unusable.

Daneel 2012-02-04 16:33
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11...lost_platform/

jalyst 2012-02-04 16:47
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Yep that's a good article, there's been similar in-depth discussion in epic threads here.
About how Maemo5x/Hildon was almost completely ignored, & how Maemo6x took so long etc.

Dan_F 2012-02-04 18:48
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1160466)
Whether meego could or could not feed nokia wasn't mentioned in my post. My point was that WP cannot.

Developed markets are really easy to read. What you're talking about is a group of people called "late adopters" which will not buy a device unless their absolutely sure about it. And how do they make sure? They see what everybody else is using. Everybody else is using iOS and android and that is why MS has failed so badly at sales. Every dumbphone in the market will offer what you mention and btw just because it's called windowns it doesn't mean it is compatible with a PC. Got zune???? :D Let alone that apps that are just ported from iOS and android don't work as well on WP

Calling iOS stupid and WP smart isn't much of an argument everyone can do it, ie DOS is smart windows 7 is stupid. System integration is good as long as it doesn't limit your choices.

Same goes for calling android stupid. But fragmentation is a valid point lets se in what other related markets we observe this phenomenon....... The desktop market theres Windows Xp and Vista and 7 and the place I used to work 2 years ago had a few windows me PCs which I doutb have been ugraded. So fragmentation is not great but it's not the devil either since I would rather run froyo on my old tablet with 256 RAM rather than getting iOS 5 on my iphone 3GS and make it unusable.
Well Android wouldn't feed Nokia too. Just take a look at Sony, LG, Motorola...

I'm not calling iOS or Android stupid, I'm talking about UI, which Android basically doesn't have at all (I haven't had ICS in my hands, so maybe things got better) and iOS is so simple, that I hate to use it.

I'm also not talking about late adopters, I'm talking about regular adopters. If I take a look around, only a minor half of people I know have a "smartphone". You're right with the things that even a better dumbphones offer, but that's it. What do you think people need the phone for? Mostly for procrastinating on social networks. Ideal market for WP.

Anyway, I don't know if Nokia will succeed with WP and I think we're not going to know it sooner than in two years. But I think that they were so ****ed up, that I got the decision to go with WP7. Even though the N9 was maybe the last interesting Nokia phone for me.

SamGan 2012-02-05 02:21
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan_F (Post 1160435)

The WP - still, we're not the standard customers. There are lot's of people on "developed markets" who are looking for their first smartphone experience. They don't have a big expectations about possibillities of smartphones. They want something, that's quick, easy to use, has got e-mail, browser, social services, is well compatible with PCs, have some funny apps and runs more than a day on battery. That's the market where MS is aiming. That's that ugly "amazing everyday".

what makes WP better than iOS - UI, it's smart and effective, many apps has system integration. Yep, Harmattan has it too, but iOS has separate apps for everything and stupid interaction model

what makes WP better than Android - same things as above + it's not fragmented and it's easy to use, such asi iOS
If WP is better than ios and Android why is its market penetration so abysmal? The global share of WP7 is just 1% and in no country does its share exceed 5%.

WP7 is not the popular choice of people looking for their first smartphone experience. Most of them are looking for a cheap smartphone due to budgetary constraint or as a cheap try-out. WP7 phones are comparatively expensive while Android covers all price bracket. Furthermore those who have no experience in smartphones tend to follow the crowd and it's not WP7. The features of WP7 that you mention are not unique to WP7.

Nokia's forte is in developing countries where it still holds brand dominance. Many users in these countries who want to transition from dumb phones to smartphones cannot afford a Lumia. If Nokia had gone with Android it could produce Android phones in any budget category to capture this market.

For Symbian users who want to transition to another os due to its sunset status WP7 is not their natural choice it is Android. A Symbian user who has home screens, widgets, themes, free java apps, mass storage mode, alternative UIs and customization galore would feel constricted with WP7's closed os which keeps users at arms length. With their WP7 strategy Nokia will fail to capitalize on this huge transition market.

No phone manufacturer in the world can survive on WP7 phones alone - not Samsung, not LG, not even a much smaller company like HTC. With Symbian winding down and Meego chucked aside Nokia will have to depend on dumb phones to survive but even that segment won't last long as it is transitioning to smartphones.

ibrakalifa 2012-02-05 04:00
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-610p4.php



last paragraph so beautifull words

qorax 2012-02-05 04:11
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1160669)
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-review-610p4.php

last paragraph so beautifull words
Yep, always loved that !

qole 2012-02-05 04:52
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1160417)
By far the single-biggest factors, but there was multiple other ones too.
It's been discussed/explained in great depth before (inc insiders), I'm surprised you haven't seen prior threads.
I will be delighted to read any posts in any prior threads that give any insider information on this whole debacle. Please provide some links to these posts (using this format if possible).

I've never really paid much attention to the speculation mega-threads here, not even sure why I'm reading this one ;)

iskugor 2012-02-07 08:50
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
N9 is still on top of daily interest on GSMArena and should soon enter top 15 of all time: http://www.gsmarena.com/


Lumnia nowhere near.

Joey1 2012-02-07 19:52
Re: Nokia should fire Elop
 
Agree with firing Microsoft Elop

I have tinkered with the n950 and it is streets ahead of anything on the market at the moment, it must cost something special to integrate that keyboard because it just works brilliantly and seems stupid not to put into production.


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