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Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

I will try to answer numerous questions in this one thread:

Let me start off I am not an ambassador from Apple, I don't even like Apple, but right now I find the iPhone 4S running iOS5.1.1 to be the best phone on the market.

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Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1284263)

Any app you love/run i can do so on nitdroid.

However, today i got a link to a youtube video of a live performance of a certain artist. I ripped the audio from the video and stuck it into my music collection. Because i wanted to.

And that's the point: My phone does what I want. You have to do what your phone wants.

If I want to run any iphone type apps I can via nitdroid.

If I want to do Xyz i can.

Nitdroid , btw, is the stake in the heart of your apps argument. sorry.

I have an N900 sitting right next to me, with NITDroid on it, you can't use the device as a phone when you're running NITDroid, you still cannot make voice calls. I am sorry, that's like saying, "This phones battery life is much better than yours when I put it on airplane mode"

I can unzip files, download YouTube videos, etc. all the same things you can. I don't know why you think I can't. Your argument is not only made out of ignorance but your saying "Well I can boot into a "work in progress" OS that is buggy/laggy at best and is designed for a captive touch screen. I have a fresh install of it on my N900 now, over clocked, running off my SD card. It is a joke.

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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1284266)

Why don't you upgrade?

Few reasons:

1) Pretty much anywhere you go you will be able to find a microUSB charger or an iPhone/iPad/iPod charger. If you stick with those two connection methods you can always find a charger if needed. Not with the new connector (yet).
2) The device is 100x better jailbroken.
3) I like Google Maps and having 3 YouTube applications (iPhone YouTube, Google YouTube, and ProTube (jailbreak YouTube))

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Originally Posted by balisingh (Post 1284275)

first off i had 5 things, you only listed 3.
and regarding your rebuttal,
1. mobile pages aside (n9 displays them equal or better mynokiablog.com/2011/06/29/nokia-n9-browser-html5-tests-score-outperforming-ipad-2-sgsii-and-some-desktop-browsers/ ) Safari on IOS just doesn't do what firefox can as normal web 2.0 pages are concerned.
2. i forgot to mention turn your bluetooth off and have it connect to your car automatically. oh also do it without ever pairing it before.
3. not a joke, i wear gloves and just becuase iphone cant do it unless you jailbreak it.
4. while n9 helps me get rid of ads, and prevent inter process data stealing, iphone likes to make it more accessible for ads by targeting them just for you by helping track your intimate details about how you bank with Bofa and like to pay your rent on the train and how much time you spend on facebook etc etc.
5. i dont need Lord itunes for doing smallest things. can you download a mixtape , unrar or unzip it and listen to it, delete the songs you dont like without getting close to a computer? can you get OTA update?

1) Try Chrome for iOS.
2) Yeah, I have to turn my Bluetooth on.
3) I live in California, I cannot comment on gloves.
4) Cydia has many adblockers.
5) Yes and Yes.

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1284277)

So, what shell does it run? Do you get all the usual bsd utilities and command line tools with it? What scripting tools are available, and can you access normal phone functions from command line? Can you run chroot on it? Is it possible to compile binaries on scratchbox or similar cross-compiling environment for it on an external computer? (I guess it propably needs MAC developers toolchains to compile and link programs..?)

I don't know, I haven't really messed around with it much simply because I haven't had the need to. I doubt you can do that much though.

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Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1284331)

OP, don't forget that the N900 is still progressing and getting better and better with every CSS update : )

That's funny. I am an N900 fan boy. Maemo 5 development stopped when it was released. Bugs were fixed with PR 1.2, hacks and tweaks started with CSSU.

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Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 1284321)

Ok, I'll make one more comment:

I do take those arguments seriously. The N900 plays all the media I want -- every bit of music, every podcast, every video. (If you must complain that it doesn't run HD video, let me ask why would you want to force the poor thing to run video at resolutions beyond what it can display? I personally re-encode videos to the native size of the devices I use to display them. I did that for my 1st gen iPhone, and I still do for my N900...) And yes, there are endless endless apps of every stripe and color for the iPhone; but can I ask, can you do your social networking or banking tasks from a regular desktop browser? Because the N900 can handle regular desktop webpages.

But in any case, yeah, I guess I don't do much appy stuff on my N900. I like to place phone calls, listen to podcasts, and edit files. These tasks don't require the latest hardware. And so, for someone like me, the N900 still beats the iPhone.

EDIT: BTW, the Google TV remote control is RF-based, but some of the devices can also accept IR input. In particular, many of the Google TVs manufactured by Sony will also support the use of a Sony remote control. For these, the "Sony TV Keyset 1" setting in Pierogi should work for you.

Because with HD video I can plug in an HDMI cable (not VGA like n900) and watch at much better quality on a larger screen, and it looks better.

I get the impression that not many of you have used Safari or Chrome for iOS... when you say "handle a regular page" give me an example and I will take a screen shot with my N900 and a screen shot with my iPhone and you can be the judge of what is better. It sounds like many of you haven't used the application that you are bashing.

I will post screen shots of the same sight from N900, iOS Safari, and iOS Chrome - no mobile optimized versions.

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

You are one brave man...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/23623813.jpg

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Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1284392)

It sounds like many of you haven't used the application that you are bashing.

Bingo! You win 100 internets!

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

For this test I tried to act as naturally as possible, I choose a pretty graphics intensive website with transparency, CSS drop down menus, and JavaScript slide show. As you can see I selected a portion of the drop down menu, and then I zoomed it. The only Safari jailbreak tweak I have is "FullScreen Safari."

There are also pics from my N900 - notice how the N900 failed to handle the transparency of the drop down menu properly. The slide show was very choppy and I am over clocked to 1.15GHz. Try it for yourself. Post screen shots here. I wasn't able to take a screen shot in portrait mode on the N900.

Note: Pixelation in images is caused by imgur upload compression.

Please tell me more about how the iPhone can't view "real webpages"

I am not trying to compete, there really isn't any competition in my point of view - I am just trying to educate people.

I will remain by my statements:

The iPhone is has no soul, lacking LED, not an open OS, no removable battery.

(Seriously though, the LED is the biggest PITA - you get out of the shower to see if anyone called you and you have to click your phone like a lonely ******.)

iPhone 4S iOS 5.1.1 jailbroken Safari and iOS 5.1.1 Google Chrome:

Website: http://www.bmc-racing.com/us-en/home.html

Safari - landscape:
http://i.imgur.com/5Nuaz.png
http://i.imgur.com/KKyHk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oL8wI.jpg

Safari - portrait:
http://i.imgur.com/gbUD8.png
http://i.imgur.com/CE4EC.png

Google Chrome - landscape
http://i.imgur.com/qLxWp.png

Google Chrome - portrait
http://i.imgur.com/DijRa.png

N900:
http://i.imgur.com/2vxPk.png
http://i.imgur.com/CM5Oa.png

UPDATE, HTML 5 SCORES:

Safari:
http://i.imgur.com/vL1le.png

Google Chrome:
http://i.imgur.com/ewpov.png

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

I'm sorry but I don't get what's the point in the browser images?

My N9 stock browser (for some reason it was loading the int'l version instead of us-en version):

http://db.tt/rn6LyyOi

http://db.tt/nSrbEwQQ

http://db.tt/QxeZqoy7

Would the N9's browser be beaten by Android and iOS offerrings? Well I do expect it to be beaten...After all we are a "dead" platform, aren't we? Add a closed stock browser and how is going to be improved that rapidly? However, saying that, till date it is able to pretty much match Android and iOS but down the road it should be beaten due to the others rapid pace of developement...

Edit: Understood you were showing that iOS is able to display full webpages instead of web optimized ones :)...

Anyway since I've posted screens might as well complete it with the following not-too-shabby html5 test:

http://db.tt/D9TQquxZ

Edit 2: Fennec 17 on the n9:

http://db.tt/EkmSPUpm

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1284400)

You are one brave man...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/23623813.jpg

Bingo! You win 100 internets!

I am a former N900 user, still an N900 lover, for the foreseeable future a N900 owner, but most importantly I am objective and I am a realist.

My mobile device does not define who I am or how I think.

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1284438)

I'm sorry but I don't get what's the point in the browser images?

My N9 stock browser (for some reason it was loading the int'l version instead of us-en version):

Would the N9's browser be beaten by Android and iOS offerrings? Well I do expect it to be beaten...After all we are a "dead" platform, aren't we? Add a closed stock browser and how is going to be improved that rapidly? However, saying that, till date it is able to pretty much match Android and iOS but down the road it should be beaten due to the others rapid pace of developement...

I'm not the one who made the ridiculous assertion hat the N900 or N9 cannot view "real webpages" - I know they can, I have an N900 next to me, it might be slower, with less quality, and more choppy with the slide show, but it does it.

I have never plaid around with the N9, so I cannot comment on it. However it was released within a month of the iPhone 4S.

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

I like your posts xxxxts.
It is refreshing to read your n900 / iphone
comparisons without the apple/maemo fanboyism.

What can the n900 do that an IPhone can't do?
I don't know.

What would I miss if I would switch to an IPhone (/or Android device)?
TMO

What is your favorite iphone community site? Is there something
comparable to maemo.org and talk.maemo.org?

nicolai

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1284439)

Yes, I got that, I am all that as well. I meant the other n900 owners/users/fanboys who will respond to your posts claiming the n900 owns the iphone in all aspects.
They are the very, very far from realism.

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1284433)

There are also pics from my N900 - notice how the N900 failed to handle the transparency of the drop down menu properly.

Hmm. I'm not apparently having the same problem on my N900; and this is from running the stock Microb browser.

It's good to see that the iPhone has finally advanced, though. Back when I was using mine, it would balk at anything like that web page...

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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Originally Posted by nicolai (Post 1284452)

1) There is no decent iPhone community, for jailbreaking it's best to listen to Jeff at iDownloadBlog.
2) Things the N900 can do that the iPhone can't;

a) Dual boot into different OSes
b)IR (unless you have a 3rd party IR adapter attached to your iPhone)
c) FM Transmitter (same as above)
d) Really awesome root terminal access
e) Removable battery
f) LED light (biggest thing for me)
g) Resistive touch screen
h) Write software for the device on the device
i) Real multitasking (that's a huge one)
j) Open OS with lots of customization
h) Give you headaches

A lot of Androids have the LED so that's very helpful, I much more perfer iOS to Android, the iCloud system for Windows (I am a Windows user) is service that sits in your notifications task bar on Windows 7. If you leave your computer on 25/7/365 like I do as soon as you connect to WiFi (or if you have 3G Unrestrictor Jailbreak) every photo on your phone will be uploaded to a folder of your choosing on your computer. There is no need to use iTunes software at all.

It does feel very Orwellian at times, it has no sense of personalization. Sure you can jailbreak tweak it out, but I am betting it will start getting buggy and loose that "it just works" thing that's so great.

In a post apocalyptic era I would choose an N900 over an iPhone (assuming there is no internet or cell towers - just private wifi networks).