Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

If they want to have more people get their phone, then they need to make it work on more frequencies.
Even the N9 works in the US but was not released there. Because the N9 has all 5 bands for 3g, but the Jolla phone does not.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

That's not exactly what I'm trying to say. :) And, in fact, I think Jolla still has quite a good chance of achieving a successful mass-market consumer phone OS; they've identified areas where Apple / Google are weak (BRICS localization, security, America-based centralization with all the various ways that can be corrupted). They've created a pretty and user-friendly UI on top of a powerful mobile OS infrastructure. There's no reason why they couldn't actually gain some market share with what they've produced.

What I'm trying to say is that Sailfish could not be produced by the open source community. Open source coders are not going to donate huge portions of their lifespan supporting a UI built for novice users, because open source coders are naturally themselves not novice users. The most obvious way to create a situation where a person writes code that will be used mainly by other people is to offer that person something in exchange; in particular, money.

Thus, I reason that a user-friendly UI (as defined in the way that Apple and Google define user-friendly -- that is, usable by technical novices) is best produced in the private sector, by closed-source means.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

You'd think the moment an alternative to Apple/Google would come out, folks would buy it... instead, they seem to be quick to disprove of whatever is offered and want to walk away quickly.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

i dont think even jolla deserve a place at here then

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

The main problem for Jolla focuses on two things:
1: Economic model: what did they try to do to earn a stable continuous amount of income? Advertisements? Subscriptions fees? A steady flow of new devices with the manufacturers paying a fee per device for Sailfish?
If you don't get it right to have a stable income...well, that just ends all. Period. There's no debating about that.
I think Jolla should let their contributors pay a small subscription fee for the updates. Let's say somewehere around €5 per month or less.

2: open source, but not regarding to news. I've read big issues on several channels, but not from Jolla itself. Do they have to hide something? I've asked many times for the stock internet browser to have the option to change the user-agent (a base feature for a mobile browser), without any response. "No, it's not possible", or "No, it's not our focus now" is a response, rather than no response. Jolla, talk please!

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

mistake ?
right answer is ipill

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

Because there is huge difference between something new(when android and iphone came out) and alternative to already mature and strong player in existing segment. To challenge them you need not only offer what they have but add something that they have to get users from their side to yours. And if you don't have that you at least should build strong community starting with existing supporters and not scary them and use them as just resources.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

You're sort of right Copernicus but for the wrong reasons.

It's rare that the open source community attracts user interface designers of any worth. Often it's the same programmers working on the back end code that do the front end and what a programmer will put up with as a UI is often miles away from a user. Often it's a reflection on the underlying function and they've not thought about how a user interacts first and this is where Apple usually wins. Eg. A programmer coding a map application would have just slapped a +/- zoom button on, Apple came up with pinch to zoom.

The UI you get is therefore often self selecting in the open source community. You'll get 1000 programmers remaking Windows XP because that is easy and it suffices.

It'll be interesting to see where Sailfish now goes without a designer.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

Immigrants? ;)
Just kidding. Most people would call me an immigrant too.:D

Edit: Added Dave's quote which was left out.

Re: What is wrong with Jolla?
 

Guys.... Will Jolla return back to their position after the big disaster?
Some people say yes, some say no......

I think it's time for all of us to take the red pill...

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