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Kabouik 2018-12-25 15:35
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552035)
Here is the picture of the keyboard for the lazy people out there who didn't subscribe to the newsletter :p

Edit:

The second comma that you see, is actually a '
They probably used a wrong symbol over there as well.
All the symbols ` ' " ^ are there on the keyboard, so you can use them for the dead keys. Android and Maemo5 does support dead keys, don't know about the others though.
Oh right, I didn't even see the ^. Where are the ´ and ¨ though? ¨ usually doesn't have a dedicated key, it's a " which turns into a ¨ if pressed before a compatible letter. Excellent news if dead keys can be supported. :)

Here is the full newsletter with pictures and text, and you can find the previous newsletters in the Past Issues at the top: https://us19.campaign-archive.com/?u...&id=34f36cdb66

[Edit]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1552039)
Merry Xmas! What variants there will be? Scandic?
No clear confirmation of the available layouts at launch, but the newsletter does say that Qwertz or Scandic layouts will be easy to get by just swapping a few keys. My guess is it would be done in the factory and not by the user, but it's just a guess.

HtheB 2018-12-25 17:08
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1552041)
Oh right, I didn't even see the ^. Where are the ´ and ¨ though? ¨ usually doesn't have a dedicated key, it's a " which turns into a ¨ if pressed before a compatible letter. Excellent news if dead keys can be supported. :)
Yes, to achieve ´ and ¨ you can use ' and " indeed. for example:
' = á
" = ä
` = à
^ = â
~ = ã

Seems like TMO has resized the image, see full size below:
https://i.imgur.com/fU1Cyvs.png

I wonder what will happen to the 'empty' button. I would go for a circle as a 'Home' button.
See attached image

chenliangchen 2018-12-25 17:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552042)
I wonder what will happen to the 'empty' button. I would go for a circle as a 'Home' button.
See attached image
Well spot.

Yes functionally I want to make that key being "go home" by default. But did not put Android circle as the device is supposed to load other OSes as well and I feel the "circle" will spoil the feel of integrity under other OSes.

So I want to reveal this one when it's formally launched, and hopefully it can be re-mapped for different functions other than just go home. :)

HtheB 2018-12-25 17:44
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1552043)
Well spot.

Yes functionally I want to make that key being "go home" by default. But did not put Android circle as the device is supposed to load other OSes as well and I feel the "circle" will spoil the feel of integrity under other OSes.

So I want to reveal this one when it's formally launched, and hopefully it can be re-mapped for different functions other than just go home. :)
But Circle is pretty generic. I don't think that it will hurt too much if it's a circle.
I'm curious what it will be. (The F logo of Fx?)

Ariadeno 2018-12-25 21:29
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I don’t know if it’s too late but I think an orthogonal layout (like the N900 keyboard) is more suitable for thumb typing. Staggered keys just don’t feel natural when you want to flick your thumb from one key to another.

But then again. There is no other modern phone that sports a hardware keyboard.

Kabouik 2018-12-26 00:07
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1552043)
Well spot.

Yes functionally I want to make that key being "go home" by default. But did not put Android circle as the device is supposed to load other OSes as well and I feel the "circle" will spoil the feel of integrity under other OSes.

So I want to reveal this one when it's formally launched, and hopefully it can be re-mapped for different functions other than just go home. :)
Great attention to detail, thanks. However silly it is, I can tell how irritating it is to have a Windows key on a computer not running Windows. Blank is just perfect. If it's the only blank, there's no confusion.

Since you mentioned other OSes Chen, do you know already if it will be possible to dual-boot like on the Gemini? Android alongside a community port of Sailfish (hopefully) or Leste would be a nice solution to cope with the lack of Alien Dalvik. It would be a bit more cumbersome for users who use Alien Dalvik frequently, but then having something more recent than 4.4 would outweigh the cost and allow a much wider range of applications.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552042)
Yes, to achieve ´ and ¨ you can use ' and " indeed. for example:
' = á
" = ä
` = à
^ = â
~ = ã
You're absolutely right. I was so focused on the fact that I couldn't see the ' that I got myself confused and just forgot how it is on a Qwerty keyboard (I don't have default keycaps anymore so I didn't even check on mine). But since the extra comma should be a ', no problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1552048)
I don’t know if it’s too late but I think an orthogonal layout (like the N900 keyboard) is more suitable for thumb typing. Staggered keys just don’t feel natural when you want to flick your thumb from one key to another.

But then again. There is no other modern phone that sports a hardware keyboard.
It was discussed several times during the earlier steps of the project, but feedback on the Moto Mod led Chen to go for the staggered layout. I was all for the orthogonal layout as well since I think it's better for position awareness without looking, but on the other hand, if people were massively asking for staggered layout on the Moto Mod, then it might very well be the best option to secure sales here, which is by far the most important to make the ReadyFx a success; and perhaps the beginning of a longer story.

Astaoth 2018-12-26 08:21
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1551980)
Just a quick comment:
AFAIK, Pebble does not have an e-ink display (no Pebble variation had it, be it color or b&w). Some website may simplify it as such (also could be good marketing of Pebble, calling it "e-paper"), but it is an LCD display.

See:
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Pebb...n/13319#s45410
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Pebb...Teardown/42382
Ah ? Thanks about this, I always thougth it was e-link ...



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1552041)
No clear confirmation of the available layouts at launch, but the newsletter does say that Qwertz or Scandic layouts will be easy to get by just swapping a few keys. My guess is it would be done in the factory and not by the user, but it's just a guess.
Don't forget the AZERTY layout ! :D

Dave999 2018-12-26 11:35
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So it’s 4 different layouts? No more no less.

Maemish 2018-12-26 12:49
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The picture of the keyboard makes me think is there enough space between the body of the phone and the upper key row? Should be enough space so that it is easy to press the keys.

Astaoth 2018-12-26 13:50
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552052)
So it’s 4 different layouts? No more no less.
Yes, and don't forget, on the AZERTY layout, the enter key has a different form than on the other layouts and there is one additional key. Only moving keys is not enough :D

Of course, this is only joking, if there is only qwerty, I'll still be happy, until I can exchange physical keys and remap the keyboard by myself :>

Kabouik 2018-12-26 16:59
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astaoth (Post 1552055)
Yes, and don't forget, on the AZERTY layout, the enter key has a different form than on the other layouts and there is one additional key. Only moving keys is not enough :D

Of course, this is only joking, if there is only qwerty, I'll still be happy, until I can exchange physical keys and remap the keyboard by myself :>
We may have different layouts, but I don't think they will inherit the ANSI and ISO standards :D, since the Qwerty layout in the picture is already freely adapted to better suit the form factor and thumb typing. This is ideal, because ISO and ANSI differences are constraints more than advantages in the end.

catbus 2018-12-26 17:07
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1552054)
The picture of the keyboard makes me think is there enough space between the body of the phone and the upper key row? Should be enough space so that it is easy to press the keys.
That depends... If your thumbs are not "Hulk-sized", then there is no problem...

mosen 2018-12-27 11:17
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Funny,
how a healthy portion of keyboard worshipping can silence screen size discussion :D

For the size of this device my priority would be ease of typing. I see some outer spacing to hold it and not press buttons, 5 rows, multiple control keys, promising button size overall and dedicated arrows. nice.
All this demands a minimum size of the device/kbd which is greater than 4.5" imo.
But it would be reassuring to hear from one of the chosen few who used MotoMod Kbd about the actual typing comfort!
They state, "From the very beginning, we had one goal: to create the best hardware QWERTY keyboard on a smartphone in terms of usability, quality, and visual appeal."
This is the goal they have set themselves and the scale with which we should measure the device.

Dave999 2018-12-27 11:46
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1552074)
Funny,
how a healthy portion of keyboard worshipping can silence screen size discussion :D

For the size of this device my priority would be ease of typing. I see some outer spacing to hold it and not press buttons, 5 rows, multiple control keys, promising button size overall and dedicated arrows. nice.
All this demands a minimum size of the device/kbd which is greater than 4.5" imo.
But it would be reassuring to hear from one of the chosen few who used MotoMod Kbd about the actual typing comfort!
They state, "From the very beginning, we had one goal: to create the best hardware QWERTY keyboard on a smartphone in terms of usability, quality, and visual appeal."
This is the goal they have set themselves and the scale with which we should measure the device.
The discussion about the existence of this device was also silent. :D
How is he planning to fund it?
He don’t need to tell us but that would be an obvious question for everyone who is seriously curious about the situation/device.
It’s such a small batch(me assuming).
Is this project doable?

Or are we passed these questions ?

kinggo 2018-12-27 14:21
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yes, we did. Multiple times.

Dave999 2018-12-27 14:44
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1552082)
yes, we did. Multiple times.
And what was the conclution?

Macros 2018-12-27 15:29
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That it is not a crowdfunded project, so nobody can complain if it doesn't succeed. From a monetary standpoint at least. That its funding is not our concern, our concern is to ensure its an awesome device by contributing ideas and to ensure its success in case by spreading the word.

If it is not made we have a lot of material and ideas for a future device and we can thank Chen for spreading a positive spirit and for trying.

If it is made we have a N900 successor with modern hardware in our hands and a long guarded dream comes true :)

Discussing the funding has no benefit for us.

Dave999 2018-12-27 15:32
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macros (Post 1552084)
That it is not a crowdfunded project, so nobody can complain if it doesn't succeed. From a monetary standpoint at least. That its funding is not our concern, our concern is to ensure its an awesome device by contributing ideas and to ensure its success in case by spreading the word.

If it is not made we have a lot of material and ideas for a future device and we can thank Chen for spreading a positive spirit and for trying.

If it is made we have a N900 successor with modern hardware in our hands and a long guarded dream comes true :)

Discussing the funding has no benefit for us.
No, yes, ok. but it gives a base for realistic expectations and discussions.

kinggo 2018-12-27 15:43
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no, no really. Knowing where the money comes from won't make this a better product.
Expecting fully working sailfish is optimistic since jolla can't do it the right way on a year old device almost a year after announcement.
But if this one can run AOSP with all the HW parts working then this is it. For now. I don't expect anything more.
Specs are pretty much confirmed, keyboard is here, 3.5mm jack is here, notch isn't......

Dave999 2018-12-27 15:48
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1552086)
no, no really. Knowing where the money comes from won't make this a better product.
Expecting fully working sailfish is optimistic since jolla can't do it the right way on a year old device almost a year after announcement.
But if this one can run AOSP with all the HW parts working then this is it. For now. I don't expect anything more.
Specs are pretty much confirmed, keyboard is here, 3.5mm jack is here, notch isn't......
Ok. You expect a lot. I thought it was pretty expensive to build devices from scetches to complete fully working device. Maybe it’s very cheap in Asia :D

lal 2018-12-27 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1552086)
notch isn't......
The most relieving news in the whole thread! :D

xman 2018-12-28 20:52
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Made some updates based on new images :D

https://i.imgur.com/PZrsF0j.png

Here the url for higher Rez image, https://imgur.com/a/SWhrU6A

Dave999 2018-12-28 20:57
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1552131)
Made some updates based on new images :D

https://i.imgur.com/PZrsF0j.png
Looks good!
If this works very well with android stock an possible updates it would be nice.

Fellfrosch 2018-12-28 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1552131)
Made some updates based on new images
Thanx,
Why do you base your images ob a 5.8“ display?
Maybe I have overseen something, bur @chen talked about 6“.

xman 2018-12-28 21:25
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
I have no interest in using anything android, but in putting together these comps and playing around with maemo in a vm, it's clear that it won't be a single hand usage OS on these larger devices. The future of maemo may need to include gestures at some point.

x

xman 2018-12-28 21:40
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1552133)
Thanx,
Why do you base your images ob a 5.8“ display?
Maybe I have overseen something, bur @chen talked about 6“.
It's a good question, to which I don't have a good answer.
I used what Chen mentioned earlier as the base to try and figure out the size. Additionally he didn't really say earlier that it was exactly 6in more like it would fit into 6in .."It's a 18:9 ratio in 6", in another word it's the same panel as a 5.4-5.5" screen in 16:9."

Also the phone he pointed to was only 5.5", Moto z2 play

So I took some liberties :D since my mockups are very like very off in many ways. Also many device round out the screen specs too sometime.

I don't mind changing it if everyone finds it annoy ;), perhaps on the next update. Though any more images release we won't need my mockups .. lol

x

catbus 2018-12-28 21:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1552133)
Thanx,
Why do you base your images ob a 5.8“ display?
Maybe I have overseen something, bur @chen talked about 6“.
I think xman just showed the meaning of bezels???

[so] late [/again]

catbus 2018-12-28 21:58
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552132)
Looks good!
If this works very well with android stock an possible updates it would be nice.
I have feeling that next update will come very early next year... so maybe next week???

kinggo 2018-12-28 22:51
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with maemo on it, I'll take even 7" :D

Dave999 2018-12-28 23:10
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1552138)
I have feeling that next update will come very early next year... so maybe next week???
Well. Maybe. I dont find the updates useful. But eventually we will get a useful update

Astaoth 2018-12-31 11:22
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552140)
Well. Maybe. I dont find the updates useful. But eventually we will get a useful update
I think the most usefull update which we will eventually have will be the one which will announce the phone release. :D

Dave999 2018-12-31 11:44
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astaoth (Post 1552177)
I think the most usefull update which we will eventually have will be the one which will announce the phone release. :D
yes, or it's cancelled.

catbus 2019-01-02 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552178)
yes, or it's cancelled.
No. It is not cancelled...

Dave999 2019-01-02 23:58
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1552222)
No. It is not cancelled...
I don’t know...

What I mean is the useful update: the greenLight, redLight update.

HtheB 2019-01-03 05:15
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552178)
yes, or it's cancelled.
yes, yes it's canceled for you. Everyone else will be enjoying their Fx's

Dave999 2019-01-03 10:56
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552226)
yes, yes it's canceled for you. Everyone else will be enjoying their Fx's
So it’s cancelled becouse I’m waiting for the go, no go update? :D

Silly!

Why don’t you enjoy the updates you find interesting instead?

Enjoy your Fx!

HtheB 2019-01-05 19:32
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Seems like this just got leaked
https://twitter.com/ken5457ken/statu...78744626593792

Dave999 2019-01-05 19:59
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552320)
Shipt it!
What's the price for that bundle?

Kabouik 2019-01-05 21:34
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Looks very good, and it's hard to compare size on these perspective pictures but it looks good too, especially after what Chen said about the overall size. I really think (and hope) that the noise PlanetComputer has made in the HWKBD field since a couple years will help Livermorium, and what Livermorium offers to those who were reluctant with the Gemini is a much sexier/convenient form factor.

(Also, it is amazing how the construction of the N950 still is impressive years later: the body is almost seamless, has a great texture, and this little bump around the keyboard. The thing was a masterpiece.)

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-01-05 23:14
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Reminds me of my Xperia X1 I had in 2010!


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