Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

No change... still getting cert error and receiving lockups. Foreground notification works, but background notification is still not working.

Oh, and messages are not marked read on the server after reviewing them in modest

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Ok, I need some advice here,

Is it turning out that people are noticing a difference between clean installs and upgrading? What is the recommendation to install the latest version of modest (or other beta software).

In my experience, upgrades are usually stable when it's a final release, but because this is beta there is usually a more cautious approach needed to use the software. Should I do a complete uninstall or do we feel the upgrade is just as effective?

Last thing, is there a changelog or something I can look at to see what bugs are fixed or features are added to the latest version? I couldn't find anything on the modest garage site, is this information publicly available elsewhere?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I've had no trouble upgrading.
The release notes appear when you upgrade :-D

Cheers

Malc

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

At this time I have found no significant difference between upgrading and uninstall/reinstall.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

just made a couple of bug reports.

1. modest seems to forget that a mail have been deleted locally. as in, i download mails, go offline, delete mails, close down and start modest up again, and the mails are right back in the inbox, with me being offline the whole time.

2. even with a headers only setting it download the whole mails. this is on a pop server, but i know the option is supported so...

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

i have found that to work correctly , you need to have the EXACT same info entered into the built in client , set the auto retrieve time the same as in modest , but..LEAVE AUTO RETRIEVE DISABLED on the built in client... ALL info on both apps has to be the same

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I have done as you have suggested; only time will tell if it is "the magic" I've been looking for.

I shut down, sent myself a message, restarted, and waited for a new message notice (the webmail notifier told me immediately that there was a new message). I got the notice a minute or three later, read it, closed the e-mail, sent myself another e-mail, got the notice, opened the e-mail... so now I really just have to wait to see if I get any more errors.

I think I've found the problem with messages getting marked "read" or not:

When I opened an e-mail from the notification box (bottom left of the screen), everything opened correctly, but the message was not marked "read" anywhere else. When I read messages in the Modest app itself, the e-mails are properly marked "read" everywhere.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

i didnt mention that.... but i have noticed that problem as well. im still getting something thats making it lock up occasionally... and i have to killall in xterm. tryin to figure out a pattern of when its doing it...thinking it might be related to my desktop crashing and all my applets and such going away.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

16-1 cannot connect to either of my SSL POP3 accounts.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

ssl access seems to be fubar... never has modest seemed to be able to connect to my gmail account because of a cert error , so i changed to an email addy that doesnt use ssl and it works fine for the most part.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Great... W16 now says imap.gmail.com server name or port number incorrect. So no new mail unless I use the web.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Well, for approximately the last two months, Modest has been working well for me with GMail SSL POP3 and an SSL POP3 account I have with a local ISP. 16-1's broken though. Hopefully, 17 will come soon.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

So far so good with munky261's solution (w15)... I've been receiving e-mails without any internal errors for a whole day now. The messages still aren't marked "read" if I read them from the panel notification, only when I read them from the main Modest window.

Thanks for the heads-up, I won't upgrade to 16-1.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Well, since nobody bothered to file a bug (that's what you have to do to help things get better), I filled it for you.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Hurrah! Thank you. In the words of Sir Topham Hatt, the Fat Controller on Thomas the Tank Engine, "You are a Truly Useful Engine."

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Thanks. I hadn't found the time, and really, it's probably better that you did it. Your reputation may be enough that someone from the maemo team will actually look at the bug.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Yea I know, but I wanted to see the changelog or release notes prior to installing the upgrade. Maybe someone can post it as the new updates get released.

Installed 1.0-2008.16-1 through upgrading, now imap gmail (assuming it's the SSL issue) is no longer working. Looking forward to 17-1...

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Is there any way to downgrade from version 17 to 16? I used to follow Qole method, but he was smart enough to avoid last upgrade...

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

2 questions:

1. What is the difference from following all of these instructions and simply clicking on uninstall and then running the older debs from here?

2. If this is necessary for proper uninstall / downgrade, are these instructions still valid as alephito was asking (i mean besides that I would need to change version numbers from w10 to w14 or whatever I wanted)?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Hi Guys,

I use pop3 to check my mail and I am also getting the same error. Should I file a separate bug report or will the first one suffice? Maybe Ill just add a comment to the other report.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

That would be the ideal method, at least for me. The only problem I can see is that you will need to set your accounts again, and that you will lose your downloaded/sent e-mails.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

That's what those instructions are telling you to do. The problem is that you can't just "apt-get remove modest" because it doesn't remove some of the other libraries. And if you only uninstall and then downgrade the modest package itself, you will probably still keep having some of the problems you were having before. I found that the only way to completely uninstall the modest packages, then install an older version, was to follow those instructions.

Yes, you can use those instructions, you'll just have to choose the version you want to downgrade to. The easy way to find the right files to downgrade to is look at the dates on the .debs, they will all be the same date for a single release.

EDIT: I just noticed that the date is the same (11-Apr-2008) for the last two releases, 15 & 16. So it will be a bit trickier. Go for the files with the date-time of 11-Apr-2008 20:07 for W15.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

same here- after upgrading even pop3 with gmailndies not work.

it seems each alternate upgrade Modest fixes a few bugs and introduces a few new and silly ones. this has been happening for the last 3-4 upgrades.

and I am surprised to hear Modest will be default client on Diablo !
Now I understand whats holding up Diablo, if this is indeed the case.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Modest was working really well for me until this last update so hopefully its fixed soon . I am disappointed a little but then as always with a Maemo I like it so much and it generally works so well I forget for the most part I am working with early Beta software.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Yea I realized that too, which is why I felt like w14 was the better downgrade (for me) since everything was working great with that beta release.

I don't even want to get into a discussion as to why w15's release is 17 minutes later than w16's. :confused:

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

after using apt-get remove to remove all the mentiond libraries , what folders need deleted , because i removed everything , downgraded , and my settings were still there when i started. do i need to delete all account settings from the built in client as well?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

did it again and same result , i deleted home/user/.modest what else needs to go , how do i wipe all traces of modest and settings from my device????

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

From the command line run this command:

That should get rid of all your account setup information. Removing ".modest" from your home directory and any SD cards it might be on (it is on /media/mmc1 for me) should get rid of all traces.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Three days 'til a fix.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Can't even read or send any emails now with modest. And no fix yet to fix what was a working app thill the updrage ?
Can believe this.

Each upgrade, something breaks, and I think I will go back to a stable Claws app. Its onlt the finger friendliness of Modest and its clear interface that makes me stay on. Otherwise I see a lot of pain these days with these upgrades.

And I rely on my NIT for emails.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

They've fixed it, it'll be released in 3 days. Regressions happen with beta software, it's one of the pitfalls of getting the privilege of early access. :)

That's part of the beta experience, as a tester, your half of the bargain for getting to use the software before release is to find and submit bugs. Yes, it's hard, yes, it can be frustrating, but that's what a beta's about. You're getting the opportunity to help shape the development of a piece of software and make it better for everybody when it finally hits release—use it!

If you don't want to hold up your end of the deal, then stick to non-beta software. :)

Then you shouldn't be using beta software. ;)

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Hoorah, I've commented on two bugs that are still "bugging" me in W15.


"Internal error: application E-mail closed"
Does not always mark e-mails as `read'

If the "doesn't mark 'read'" bug isn't taken more seriously, I'll have to waste one of my precious votes on it.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

You mean like osso-email? :(

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

My My, you are up and touchy about a little smack (come on it was just a little and I put some praise in there too to soften it up).

But I accept your point and its well taken.
I can stick for 3 days (as at least I have the webmail interface as a backup). Maybe I will be double carefull of the next upgrade - don't want to be a bleeding edge beta tester really. Am ok with being a 2nd row beta tester for my email client.

But in all seriousness, what irks me, is not that it does have its faults and bugs as a beta software, but that a previously fixed problem comes back in a next iteration. Without knowing much about how Modest is developed and its maintainers, at first glance it speaks to me as a careless upgrade path where some previous fix was left out. I would expect the to-be default mail app for Diablo to have a more stringent control on its development and upgrade cycle. But again this is my thought - may not be the real reason.

Just that.








Then you shouldn't be using beta software. ;)[/QUOTE]

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Touchy? No. I dislike it when people misunderstand what the term "beta" actually means and lambasting things for simply being what they are.

It's called a regression, and they happen with beta software. When a lot of code is getting changed around all the time, it's easy for small things to get messed up and cause problems like this.

This wasn't something that was "left out", rather, a small new mistake was made.

The "stringent control" comes after the product hits release, not before. At the moment, the idea is to get the new code to people as quickly and as often as possible (the open source credo) so they can put their hands on it, test it and recommend improvements. With this method, get have regressions and other minor issues more frequently than a commercial or final product where the beta testing is done internally, put that's part of the tradeoff for getting new code sooner and more frequently.

I say again—if you want stable, stick to non-beta software. :)

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Looking forward to Sunday! :)

Does anyone know, or was there any discussion about a modest status bar icon / tool in the future? Was thinking it would be handy for quick access to things like "compose message from <account>" when setup with multiple accounts, etc.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Well if I understand correctly, modest is going to be the default email client. So it will likely have those keys that are already taken up by the crappy default client.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

as far as the statusbar icon/tool is concerned... as useful as that might be i dont think we need anything added that will cause this program to f**k up more than it does already

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Modest will replace osso-email, so the Contacts taskbar menu will interface with Modest in Diablo. Modest is completely open from end-to-end, so putting together some sort of statusbar or replacement taskbar item wouldn't be too hard.

If you have any specific improvements you're after for the Contacts menu, though, file an enhancement or two over at bugzilla against it.

This is constructive. . . . :rolleyes:

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

God knows you only ever have constructive input. :rolleyes: