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speculatrix 2008-09-15 14:01

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 224021)
Let me just say this fine morning that WiMAX in the Dallas, TX area works very, VERY well.

:D

lucky git!

if only an external aerial was possible on the other models, then I could use a high gain antenna to look for open access points

mullf 2008-09-17 00:18

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Sprint leaks XOHM WiMax service details and devices

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/01/s...s-and-devices/

I know this is a couple weeks old, but I just ran across it.

Texrat 2008-09-17 02:09

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
I find it a little funny that the writer couldn't figure out what a Xohm Portal might be. :D

peteblack 2008-10-01 02:46

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
I just got a newish n810 wimax and I'm trying to figure out if I have the latest firmware. Current installed version is 0.2008.14-9. Is this what you guys have? If not, has anyone been able to find a firmware to flash (SSU doesn't find any updates).

Thanks,
Pete

Benson 2008-10-01 03:17

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Where'd you get it from? Last I knew, they weren't shipping yet from, well, anywhere.

And no, that's not the latest firmware. N800s (and I think N810s, as well) have had only one Diablo firmware released as a FIASCO image, and that's 4.2008.23-14; SSUs should take over from there.

peteblack 2008-10-01 03:59

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Thanks for the fast replay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229182)
Where'd you get it from? Last I knew, they weren't shipping yet from, well, anywhere.

Friend of mine got it from Nokia ;)


Quote:

And no, that's not the latest firmware. N800s (and I think N810s, as well) have had only one Diablo firmware released as a FIASCO image, and that's 4.2008.23-14; SSUs should take over from there.
You wouldn't by any chance know where I could get a newer firmware? I've tried both http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N820.php and Nokias windows update tool without any luck. Is there perhaps a repo I need to add to get the SSU going?

Thanks,
Pete

Texrat 2008-10-01 04:32

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peteblack (Post 229193)
Friend of mine got it from Nokia ;)

Must be a preproduction model. I've got one, too, but I'll probably have to return mine when testing is over... :(

Benson 2008-10-01 04:54

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peteblack (Post 229193)
You wouldn't by any chance know where I could get a newer firmware? I've tried both http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N820.php and Nokias windows update tool without any luck. Is there perhaps a repo I need to add to get the SSU going?

Well, it was actually possible to run an SSU on Chinook (even before it was released; see, you get early secret hardware, but I got early secret software :p), but it's not defined, and not the right way.

I'd try http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php, but unless some of those images are labeled RX-48, that's not very good either, though you can always try a version for different hardware. (Again, back before the N810 and OS2008 was released, we ran an N810 image on our N800s.) (And I've tried all obvious version versions of nokia_N810W, etc. in hopes of finding the WiMAX edition firmware, and consequent glory; there didn't seem to be anything live at that point, or I just wasn't imaginative enough...)

If all else fails, use a text editor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, and enable (and perhapd modify) the SSU entry. The link in my sig goes to a post where I might have hinted at the correct procedure. ;) YMMV, of course, and you'll be better off if you can get your friend to smuggle you any internal Nokia Diablo/RX-48 image, and SSU from there...


Oh, yeah, and life is totally unfair. :mad: ;)

Edit: if you can't figure out how to upgrade, you can ship it to me, and I'll make it work...

GeneralAntilles 2008-10-01 05:39

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229204)
I'd try http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php, but unless some of those images are labeled RX-48, that's not very good either, though you can always try a version for different hardware.

Just, fyi, the RX-48–specific stuff has been purged from the kernel shipped for the N800 and N810.

froghunter 2008-10-08 15:06

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Does anyone know whether the USB host will be able to handle the XOHM USB or a similar HSDPA USB modem? Since I have an N800 and no smart phone with data plan to use as a modem, something like this which they already supply for notebooks would be a great alternative to WiMax N810. Of course I don't have one to test out and not sure if anyone else has tried.

Also, thanks to everyone for figuring out all the things you can do with the USB host utility, its great how far it has progressed in a year.


Edit: Hadn't seen this thread, sorry.

speculatrix 2008-10-08 15:59

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by froghunter (Post 231668)
Does anyone know whether the USB host will be able to handle the XOHM USB or a similar HSDPA USB modem?

yes, but you'd need a powered hub :mad:

Benson 2008-10-08 16:28

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Or a dumb power injector with no hub, and a custom-whacked kernel...

Mister Ecua 2008-10-08 16:35

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Just Released:

"Later this month, Nokia will sell the new pocket size Nokia N810 Internet tablet WiMAX edition, with widescreen display and QWERTY keyboard, at select independent retailers in Baltimore as well as online at www.nokiausa.com."

This is exciting news, especially for me. I am not going to buy any internet tablet unless it has broadband capabilities, and wimax seems like the way to go! Good thing I live in DC too :-p

To read the entire press release from today go to: http://www.xohm.com/en_US/about/news...ws-100808.html

Enjoy! :D

sachin007 2008-10-08 16:40

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 224021)
Let me just say this fine morning that WiMAX in the Dallas, TX area works very, VERY well.

:D

Hey tex,

I live in fort worth. Do you think it is up and running in fort worth. I am thinking of going 3g via n95 or replacing my n810 with n810wme.

Please answer if possible.

froghunter 2008-10-08 21:18

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 231695)
Or a dumb power injector with no hub, and a custom-whacked kernel...

what about something like this
http://www.huawei.com/mobileweb/en/p...view.do?id=282
apparently its self powered, just need drivers or would you still need to compile a different kernel?

i guess will wait around for a self-powered one. thanks again.

Benson 2008-10-08 22:04

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It doesn't appear to be self-powered; under External Interface it lists
only
  • Mini USB interface: supporting USB 2.0 Full Speed
  • Antenna: Internal antenna
  • SIM/USIM card: standard 6 PIN SIM card interface
As USB is the only one of those capable of providing power, and there's no mention of batteries, I'd say this is definitely bus-powered, like almost all such devices.

You'd need either a custom kernel and power injector, or a self-powered hub.

Texrat 2008-10-10 10:31

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 231706)
Hey tex,

I live in fort worth. Do you think it is up and running in fort worth. I am thinking of going 3g via n95 or replacing my n810 with n810wme.

Please answer if possible.

Consider this: I was working from home the day I reported the good visibility.

I don't live in Dallas.

;)

jpramlak 2008-10-13 16:01

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Available now for $493

http://shop.nokiausa.com/bpdirect/no...do?action=view

gemniii42 2008-10-13 16:11

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jpramlak (Post 233203)

And they call it a phone! As well as the 810.

mafranklin 2008-10-13 18:32

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:D Called Nokia prior to purchase and confirmed the Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition was in-stock. It is confirmed to be delivered on 10/14/08. WooHoo! :D

Mark
Chicago, IL USA

theflew 2008-10-13 18:46

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
I think the interesting thing is there's only a $55 premium for the WiMAX version over the standard N810 - not bad. That bodes well for the N900 and it's potential cost.

sachin007 2008-10-13 19:03

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mafranklin (Post 233237)
:D Called Nokia prior to purchase and confirmed the Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition was in-stock. It is confirmed to be delivered on 10/14/08. WooHoo! :D

Mark
Chicago, IL USA

Did you get a 50$ discount?

I read somewhere that you get a 50$ discount from nokia?

heavyt 2008-10-13 19:09

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 233264)
Did you get a 50$ discount?

I read somewhere that you get a 50$ discount from nokia?


Yes it is true Promotional code STON810WD50 :)

http://shop.nokiausa.com/bpdirect/no...do?action=view

Buy.com has it for 405.00

mafranklin 2008-10-13 22:51

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Yes. It was discounted $50. Try to purchase and see how the price adds up - Total price is reduced $50 without a code or coupon.

sachin007 2008-10-13 23:41

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mafranklin (Post 233332)
Yes. It was discounted $50. Try to purchase and see how the price adds up - Total price is reduced $50 without a code or coupon.

What is the point in jacking up the price and giving a discount to all?
are they better off qouting the reduced price so that more people will atleast consider it?

tso 2008-10-14 02:45

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the ways of marketing is not for mere mortals to know...

mafranklin 2008-10-15 01:47

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The Nokia N810 WiMax did arrive today following shipment from Nokia yesterday. Once powered up it automatically detected the XOHM nextwork here in Chicago. My registration for XOHM services failed with my Chicago zip code so I registered with a friends zip code in Baltimore (went in later and changed my billing address), selected the device, service plan and connected to the XOHM network.

RogerS 2008-10-15 03:44

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 232364)
Consider this: I was working from home the day I reported the good visibility.

I don't live in Dallas.

;)

That is Wi to the Max then.

peteblack 2008-10-15 04:27

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mafranklin (Post 233646)
The Nokia N810 WiMax did arrive today following shipment from Nokia yesterday...

Did you get any kind of software in the package? I'm desperately trying to reflash my pre-production N810w, but can't seem to find any RX-48 images.

Texrat 2008-10-15 12:19

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gemniii42 (Post 233206)
And they call it a phone! As well as the 810.

I have protested this once again.

*sigh*

Mara 2008-10-15 13:28

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 232364)
Consider this: I was working from home the day I reported the good visibility.

I don't live in Dallas.

;)

This is getting interesting now... My FIOS 1-year contract is expiring soon, and I'll make a guess that they jack up the price again... Last time I already looked alternatives, but stayed with FIOS. This time may be different.

If the WiMAX works good already in my area (DFW), I'm seriously considering this option... but would like to know more about real world performance (speed, latency, reliability). Texrat... how much you can tell about that? Maybe I need to borrow your N810W to check the signal strength at my home... :D

Texrat 2008-10-15 14:12

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Hey, Mara, email me at work. I can't answer your question publicly.

mobiledivide 2008-10-15 14:45

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Can anyone who has received a retail device (mafranklin) give a quick review and answer some questions about the service geared towards existing N810 owners..

battery drain on xohm v wifi
indoor performance
use of SIP or skype over wimax
general browsing experience with regard to latency
attempt a video gchat over the service

ARJWright 2008-10-15 18:28

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Good to hear that this is out now; unfortunately, I've got no need for another IT until the new OS comes. Nevertheless, if there's WiMax here in Charlotte, both my pastors would definitely be up for using it as a laptop replacement when out and about.

johnkzin 2008-10-15 19:48

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobiledivide (Post 233762)
Can anyone who has received a retail device (mafranklin) give a quick review and answer some questions about the service geared towards existing N810 owners..

battery drain on xohm v wifi
indoor performance
use of SIP or skype over wimax
general browsing experience with regard to latency
attempt a video gchat over the service

I'd also like to know if you can set up the device to act as a Wifi access point, so that you can "tether" a laptop to the NIT and surf on the laptop via WiMAX.

heavyt 2008-10-16 00:04

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 233743)
This is getting interesting now... My FIOS 1-year contract is expiring soon, and I'll make a guess that they jack up the price again... Last time I already looked alternatives, but stayed with FIOS. This time may be different.

If the WiMAX works good already in my area (DFW), I'm seriously considering this option... but would like to know more about real world performance (speed, latency, reliability). Texrat... how much you can tell about that? Maybe I need to borrow your N810W to check the signal strength at my home... :D

Someone did a VOIP test http://4gforums.com/thread6696.html using http://myspeed.visualware.com/voip/ for the Dallas Xohm but did not give the modem type.

Mister Ecua 2008-10-16 17:06

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Great, I am glad I read this today and it is available for order. I was about to buy an iTouch today, but instead, I just placed the order for my WM Edition.

For some reason, I thought this would be a big deal across the net when you could actually purchase this thing, but it seems its not, or not too many people know yet. Oh well... At least I have (ordered) mine! :)

BTW, I'm in Washington DC, from what I hear, WiMax is blazing here.:cool:

Mara 2008-10-16 19:03

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The links heavyt posted show quite respectable download/upload speeds, on par with my FIOS 5/2 plan. Xohm web site show $35/month plan for home (first 6 months $25), so it is cheaper than my current FIOS plan. (Not sure if the speeds will start to drop once more users start to use the bandwidth?)

Anyone noticed that if you take the "Pick 2" plan you get discounted $50/month rate for life... not like the other plans that have 6 months teaser rates... In other words if you decide to switch your home internet to Xohm, you'll get unlimited data (and voice calls via VoIP) for second device (N810W) for only $15/month? :D

Benson 2008-10-16 20:35

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 234084)
Anyone noticed that if you take the "Pick 2" plan you get discounted $50/month rate for life... not like the other plans that have 6 months teaser rates... In other words if you decide to switch your home internet to Xohm, you'll get unlimited data (and voice calls via VoIP) for second device (N810W) for only $15/month? :D

Sweet! I hope they don't ditch that before it gets rolled out here...

SD69 2008-10-16 21:15

Re: The Nokia N810 - WiMAX Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 234084)
The links heavyt posted show quite respectable download/upload speeds, on par with my FIOS 5/2 plan. Xohm web site show $35/month plan for home (first 6 months $25), so it is cheaper than my current FIOS plan. (Not sure if the speeds will start to drop once more users start to use the bandwidth?)

Anyone noticed that if you take the "Pick 2" plan you get discounted $50/month rate for life... not like the other plans that have 6 months teaser rates... In other words if you decide to switch your home internet to Xohm, you'll get unlimited data (and voice calls via VoIP) for second device (N810W) for only $15/month? :D

The speeds will certainly drop on Xohm with more users, but I would think you would be good for at least 6 months. Long term, Xohm is not a substitute for FIOS, which can easily go up to 50 mbps.

I think the "Pick 2" plan is effectively for the life of your registered devices rather than your life (unless you can spoof MAC addresses!). Just as a business matter, it is only for the life of Xohm, which will most certainly cease to exist if and when Clearwire takes over. But still, if you have coverage, $50/month isn't a bad deal even if it's for as little as 6 months.


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