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Heman1310 2010-01-19 12:37
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Can anyone make a tutorial for dummies, because I don't have a clue how to install it (I have already downloaded the 2Gb file)?

SubCore 2010-01-19 12:41
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heman1310 (Post 481794)
Can anyone make a tutorial for dummies
no tutorial needed - after installing easy-deb-chroot, you have a menuentry called "debian image in(staller)", which does all the work for you.

a bit more info: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian

lemmyslender 2010-01-19 15:21
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I can confirm as well. I d/l'd Easy Debian maybe 2-3 weeks ago. Did the upgrade to 51-1. Just loaded open office writer and was typing by a count of 34 one thousand. Very fast relatively.

I didn't do any apt-upgrades or anything, just the "stock" image file.

rm42 2010-01-19 17:05
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quoting from another thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 464687)
Hibernica:

1) Don't update the image. It isn't meant to be updated. There are many problems with trying to update the image, one the worst of which is the fact that OpenOffice no longer runs. Many of the problems are the fault of the Debian armel Sid distribution, which seems to be in a particularly bad state right now.
Ahhhh! I wish I would have known that before. Is there a good set of current and official docs for Easy Debian explaining this type of things? If not, then that should be a priority, especially if Easy Debian is ever going to reach the Extras repo.

One thing I would like to see is a choice of images to use, each of them customized a little different. For example, we could have different size images, ones with KDE and Qt libs already installed, etc. I would personally love to see an image with lyx already installed. ;)

But, thanks for the most jaw dropping experience on my N900 so far.

qole 2010-01-19 18:12
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 482315)
Is there a good set of current and official docs for Easy Debian explaining this type of things? If not, then that should be a priority, especially if Easy Debian is ever going to reach the Extras repo.
That would be great. It would be fantastic if someone could go through the Easy Debian threads and distill the best bits into the dusty, crufty, crappy old wiki page.

There are a lot of people quietly using Easy Debian. This would be a great way to contribute to the project.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 482315)
One thing I would like to see is a choice of images to use, each of them customized a little different. For example, we could have different size images, ones with KDE and Qt libs already installed, etc. I would personally love to see an image with lyx already installed. ;)
That would be great, too. You could start with a bare Debian rootfs and add "suites" of apps. Then tar up the rootfs and I'll let you upload it to my server for others to use. I could probably even add contributed images to my installer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 482315)
But, thanks for the most jaw dropping experience on my N900 so far.
You're welcome. Feel free to contribute in any way!

EDIT: And as for the warning against updating the image -- that's a fairly new warning. Something has broken badly in OpenOffice for ARM and we'd love them to fix it...

qole 2010-01-19 18:21
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 481375)
Qole, after dcarter's post above, it's likely that the magics is in 51-1. The other thing I've done is sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade on the debian distro (which btw gave me errors about a conflict between lxsession and lxsession-lite).

Try by yourself... :) Might be that one of your several N900 devices deserves a reflashing :) ;)
I only have one device (the other has found an excellent home elsewhere) and I noticed no speed improvement in OpenOffice after 51-1. I will have to do some more research...

Also, yes, LXDE is quite updated now. It uses wicd for network connectivity, which doesn't work due to the usual GConf errors.

rm42 2010-01-19 22:22
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 482447)
That would be great. It would be fantastic if someone could go through the Easy Debian threads and distill the best bits into the dusty, crufty, crappy old wiki page.

There are a lot of people quietly using Easy Debian. This would be a great way to contribute to the project.



That would be great, too. You could start with a bare Debian rootfs and add "suites" of apps. Then tar up the rootfs and I'll let you upload it to my server for others to use. I could probably even add contributed images to my installer.



You're welcome. Feel free to contribute in any way!

EDIT: And as for the warning against updating the image -- that's a fairly new warning. Something has broken badly in OpenOffice for ARM and we'd love them to fix it...
I made some updates to the wiki. Hopefully it is less confusing. I didn't go through the FAQ section. Have to run.

rm42 2010-01-20 14:30
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I added a warning in the Wiki about doing an update/upgrade.

dukenukem 2010-01-20 19:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
If that is still an issue, for the keyboard layout: just put "@setxkbmap de" in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart in your debian chroot for the german layout...

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 19:41
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi I am downloading debian-m5-v2.img.ext2.bz2 from http://qole.org/files/ because I don't have an internet connection on my n900, my question is how do I install it on my n900, through app manager or do I have to use commands in xterminal ?

qole 2010-01-20 20:12
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
MisterSorin:

Copy the file that you download to your MyDocs folder (this shows as the "Nokia N900" device when plugged into a PC by USB), and then run the image installer that came with Easy Debian. It will find the file, check it for errors, and then decompress it.

PS: Get a wireless router. What's the point of an N900 without an Internet connection? ;)

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 20:25
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 485009)
MisterSorin:

Copy the file that you download to your MyDocs folder (this shows as the "Nokia N900" device when plugged into a PC by USB), and then run the image installer that came with Easy Debian. It will find the file, check it for errors, and then decompress it.

PS: Get a wireless router. What's the point of an N900 without an Internet connection? ;)
do I have to decompress it in windows or in n900 ? Sorry I'm a noob. If I have to decompress it, I have to place it in documents in n900 ?

qole 2010-01-20 20:29
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Don't decompress it, like I said, the installer will do that.

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 20:35
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
ok, I put the downloaded file in n900 and nothing happens ;))

Metalov 2010-01-20 22:06
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Close Debian (/usr/share/applications/hildon/closechroot.desktop) seems to be wrong.

What it does is: sudo closechroot /debian

while it should do: sudo closechroot /.debian

qole 2010-01-20 22:36
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Metalov: Yes, I know. This is explained a few posts above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 469208)
Flynx:

You are right, I should use /.debian instead of /debian as my default mount point in my script.

This will not cause a problem in new installs, because I have changed this in the ~/.chroot config file, but it will cause a problem for users updating from previous versions, because it doesn't update previously installed .chroot files.

As a workaround, change the "CHROOT=/debian" line to "CHROOT=/.debian" in your /home/user/.chroot file.
I have uploaded a fixed version to Extras-devel, but I don't dare move it to Extras-testing because that will reset my 10-day quarantine period. So when the current Extras-testing version is promoted to Extras in the next day or two, I will immediately promote a fixed version to Extras-testing so we can go through the whole process again.

(EDIT: My fixed version will have a proper bugzilla field, since that seems to stress out the tester "archebyte" to no end)

EDIT2: Ah, you are reporting a different, but related error. I have fixed that one too in the new Extras-devel version.

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 22:56
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I tried to install easy-deb-chroot_0.9.36 but I get an error message with unable to install easy-deb-chroot application packages missing bzip2 wget. Are there alternatives to install debian on n900 ? maybe some commands in xterminal ?

Siggen 2010-01-20 23:01
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSorin (Post 485471)
I tried to install easy-deb-chroot_0.9.36 but I get an error message with unable to install easy-deb-chroot application packages missing bzip2 wget. Are there alternatives to install debian on n900 ? maybe some commands in xterminal ?
try open the terminal and type

Code:
sudo getroot
apt-get install bzip2 wget
if getroot leaves an error message you need to install rootsh from the application manager, if bzip2 and wget installation leaves an error there is something wrong with your application manager

EDIT:
oh i forgot, if all goes well, install easy debian afterwords

qole 2010-01-20 23:13
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
MisterSorin: Yes, there are alternatives. Get an Internet connection and download from the repositories!

If you insist on downloading the packages from another computer and installing via dpkg -i, you will also have to install the bzip2 and wget packages to your N900 as well.

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 23:14
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siggen (Post 485483)
try open the terminal and type

Code:
sudo getroot
apt-get install bzip2 wget
if getroot leaves an error message you need to install rootsh from the application manager, if bzip2 and wget installation leaves an error there is something wrong with your application manager

EDIT:
oh i forgot, if all goes well, install easy debian afterwords
I thing it is sudo gainroot not getroot, after I type apt-get install bzip2 wget it says package bzip2 not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or E: package bzip 2 has no installation candidate. What does this mean ? is my n900 broken or what ?

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 23:15
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 485506)
MisterSorin: Yes, there are alternatives. Get an Internet connection and download from the repositories!

If you insist on downloading the packages from another computer and installing via dpkg -i, you will also have to install the bzip2 and wget packages to your N900 as well.
thanks, I will try

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 23:27
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
When I try to install bzip2 and wget it says unable to install bzip2 incompatible application package, any other ideas ? :confused:

qole 2010-01-20 23:30
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
MisterSorin: please use the command line for installing .deb files ("sudo gainroot" then "dpkg -i bzip2_1.0.5-3+0m5_armel.deb"), and report the errors you receive.

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 23:43
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 485542)
MisterSorin: please use the command line for installing .deb files ("sudo gainroot" then "dpkg -i bzip2_1.0.5-3+0m5_armel.deb"), and report the errors you receive.
after I type dpkg -i bzip2_1.0.5-3+0m5_armel.deb it says cannot access archive: no such file or directory errors were encounterd while processing bzip2_1.0.5-3+0m5_armel.deb it says the same to the wget file.

qole 2010-01-20 23:48
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
MisterSorin:

Please make sure you are in the same place where you downloaded the files. You probably need to type the following after "sudo gainroot" and before "dpkg -i":

cd /home/user/MyDocs

EDIT: This really isn't the thread to walk someone through installing packages with dpkg. These threads get long and hairy enough as it is...

MisterSorin 2010-01-20 23:52
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 485576)
MisterSorin:

Please make sure you are in the same place where you downloaded the files. You probably need to type the following after "sudo gainroot" and before "dpkg -i":

cd /home/user/MyDocs

EDIT: This really isn't the thread to walk someone through installing packages with dpkg. These threads get long and hairy enough as it is...
Sorry for this, I have knowledge in windows and ms-dos, in linux I am a complete noob.... :(

Siggen 2010-01-20 23:55
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSorin (Post 485508)
I thing it is sudo gainroot not getroot, after I type apt-get install bzip2 wget it says package bzip2 not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or E: package bzip 2 has no installation candidate. What does this mean ? is my n900 broken or what ?
sorry about, didnt read it one more time before i presse post :(

MisterSorin 2010-01-21 00:04
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I tried to cd /home/user/MyDocs but it says cd: can't cd to /home/user/mydocs. Then I tried cd /bin and dpkg -i bzip2_1.0.5-3+0m5_armel.deb and it says dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg.available' near line 160 package 'dosbox': EOF during value of field 'maemo-icon-26' (missing final wline)

MisterSorin 2010-01-21 04:04
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Ok, I have done it, I only needed a reflash. Thanks for your help

andyph666 2010-01-21 04:32
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
hey Qole thanks for this great app. I have a few questions it says on the wiki that you can change the memory in the control panel / memory but I can't seem to find it. I can't find the set HW keys either on the n900. How do you minimize a program? I have searched but couldn't find anything. Thanks.

The keyboard works fine in the terminal. Has the sound been fixed? Does it work out of the box?

MisterSorin 2010-01-21 18:30
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Sorry for posting again, I have let my n900 to install debian and I went to sleep. After I woke up it was installed and when I have tried to acces debian LXDE it said that it cannot acces the image because it is not mounted or something like that. Now I have deleted the image file and I am downloading debian-m5-v2-rootfs.tgz. Should I do with this one like I did with the other ?
P.S. I uninstalled easy-chroot and easy-deb-chroot wich I have reinstalled now.......

rm42 2010-01-21 18:33
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyph666 (Post 485936)
hey Qole thanks for this great app. I have a few questions it says on the wiki that you can change the memory in the control panel / memory but I can't seem to find it. I can't find the set HW keys either on the n900. How do you minimize a program? I have searched but couldn't find anything. Thanks.

The keyboard works fine in the terminal. Has the sound been fixed? Does it work out of the box?
-The wiki still has some info that may only apply to older devices.

-To minimize a program just click on its icon on the taskbar.

-There is apparently a way to get sound working. See here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=136

rm42 2010-01-21 18:37
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Qole,

Bummer, I was getting ready to try OpenOffice Base when I realized it wasn't installed. I tried installing it with apt-get but that led to a series of upgrades that ended up leaving me with a broken OOo. I am now re-downloading the image. Could I make a request for OpenOffice Base for the next image. Please ... ; o))

qole 2010-01-21 18:45
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
rm42: OpenOffice base wasn't working, so I didn't include it. I wish they'd fix OpenOffice so that we could upgrade safely... :(

MisterSorin: debian-m5-v2-rootfs.tgz is for installing into a dedicated partition. You want debian-m5-v2.img.ext2.bz2 instead. Sorry you're having such a rough time of it. Generally those times, for me, are also good learning experiences, though...

andyph666: The N900 doesn't have a concept of "minimizing" an application. You go to the dashboard (Ctrl-backspace if there's no other way) and select an app to show on the screen.

rm42 2010-01-21 18:55
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 487164)
rm42: OpenOffice base wasn't working, so I didn't include it.
I suspected as much. Well, at least you were able to come out with an image on a fully functional state.

Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 487164)
I wish they'd fix OpenOffice so that we could upgrade safely... :(
Do they have website? (Who are they by the way?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 487164)

andyph666: The N900 doesn't have a concept of "minimizing" an application. You go to the dashboard (Ctrl-backspace if there's no other way) and select an app to show on the screen.
I thought he was talking about minimizing applications inside LXDE, which does allow for minimizing apps as I explained above. Oh well, one of us gave him the answer he was looking for.

qole 2010-01-21 19:06
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
rm42: "they" in this case are the Debian openoffice.org maintainers.

Can someone file a good bug over at Debian about this? You can come back here and post a link to your bug if you need support from your fellow armel distro users!

EDIT: You would need to install and use the "reportbug" app.

debernardis 2010-01-21 19:08
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
About the problems in upgrading openoffice.org, I have found the following from the debian and the ubuntu bug trackers:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562867
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...rg/+bug/417009

and also this comment:
http://old.nabble.com/OpenOffice-for...d26882770.html

Seems a nasty bug.
We better keep secured a tgz of our debian rootfs! :)

qole 2010-01-21 19:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
debernardis: Well done. It looks like we only had OpenOffice because they use a kludgy workaround, which no longer works.

The Ubuntu bug is wonderful! It gives us a workaround! All you need is to copy one file from a working openoffice.org install to the broken one, and everything works again!

The magic file is: /usr/lib/ure/lib/libgcc3_uno.so

I have tested and confirmed that this works. Also, it seems like the upgraded version starts a lot faster for me! :eek:

EDIT: I definitely see the speed increases you were talking about with the new version. One minute to a responsive OpenOffice writer document!

rm42 2010-01-21 19:43
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 487272)
debernardis: Well done. It looks like we only had OpenOffice because they use a kludgy workaround, which no longer works.

The Ubuntu bug is wonderful! It gives us a workaround! All you need is to copy one file from a working openoffice.org install to the broken one, and everything works again!

The magic file is: /usr/lib/ure/lib/libgcc3_uno.so

I have tested and confirmed that this works. Also, it seems like the upgraded version starts a lot faster for me! :eek:

EDIT: I definitely see the speed increases you were talking about with the new version. One minute to a responsive OpenOffice writer document!
Great news!!!

MisterSorin 2010-01-21 20:58
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I have installed debian the second time and I still get the same error. It says:


EZ-CHROOT ERROR

Mount failure!

/home/user.MyDocs/debian-m5-v2.img.ext2 failed to mount on loop0

/proc/misc: No entry for the device-mapper found
is device-mapper driver missing from kernel?
Failure to comunicate with kernel device-mapper driver.
Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.20 (2007-06-15)(compat) and kernel driver
Command failed
mount: mounting /dev/dm-0 on/.debian failed. No such file or directory.

What can I do to resolve this error ?


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